Finnegan Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 I don't think Levi Porter is astronomically worse than Adams or Gradel, or Dyer on his current form. If nothing else, you need players pushing for places in the side to keep up a level of competition that helps form.
Koke Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 I always thought he was an OK player, but nothing special. We have 3 recognized wingers at the club, and yet we have a CM playing there. Does anyone really think Porter would get a look-in when both Gradel and Adams are fighting just to get into the 16. The lad is so far back in the pecking order that it's best for him and everybody else concerned that he finds a new club that will play him. For the sake of his own career.
Jimmy Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 cheers again knowitalli think its a shame really , particularly LP, as i still think he can do a job for us . the problem is we usually ship out home grown potential too soon , far too much expectation these days for instant first team quality which youngster have we shipped out that's become a star?
Koke Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 which youngster have we shipped out that's become a star? None. Stearman is doing himself good but we didn't ship him out. We were forced to sell him. And the lad made over 125 appearances for us.
Thracian Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Depends what you mean by "shipped out". But lots of young players have left Leicester and gone on to better things. Stearman is the latest, and he's getting the chance to play in his preferred and probably best position.
Jimmy Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Depends what you mean by "shipped out".But lots of young players have left Leicester and gone on to better things. Stearman is the latest, and he's getting the chance to play in his preferred and probably best position. yes but Stearman played well over 100 games and was sold for over £1M, which youngster have we sold/released having hardly featured that has since go on to do anything of note in the championship or above?
The Stig Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 I'd like to see Levi being given a chance, but the Nigeometer suggests he knows best.
Head Honcho Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 How old are the kids? Porter might win some headers if they're 11ish. What 11 inches tall?
Daggers Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Thank god for that, we can end these porter is great and why is he not in the team threads now then! Shame - it means you'll have piss all to post about when he goes. Hang on a cotton-picking minute...get Porter out of the club now!
Flynny Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Weird this. Also when was our last reserve game? I've not heard of one in ages.
Anish Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 He'll end up the same way as Jon Stevenson, Stuart Wilson et al. Porter just won't get a look in at Championship level, and he's not strong enough or big enough to impose himself in lower league football. His football career is falling apart.
Corky Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Poor Levi (sung to the tune of Poor Leno by Royksopp).
The Blur Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Are I the only one who think that its harsh that the duo is forced to train with kids? Sure, they aren't good enough in Pearson's view but to hulimate them?
Hullfox Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Are I the only one who think that its harsh that the duo is forced to train with kids?Sure, they aren't good enough in Pearson's view but to hulimate them? Agreed, nobody should be hulimated at this time of the year.
GLC Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Are I the only one who think that its harsh that the duo is forced to train with kids?Sure, they aren't good enough in Pearson's view but to hulimate them? i agree, its not fair on them
Thracian Posted 23 December 2008 Posted 23 December 2008 yes but Stearman played well over 100 games and was sold for over £1M, which youngster have we sold/released having hardly featured that has since go on to do anything of note in the championship or above? So do you not think Stearman might have been released too early which was what a previous poster was talking about in relation to young players? What are you suggesting anyway - that City have wonderful judgement or something cos Stearman didn't even get the chance to play first team football in his preferred and probably best position as a centre-back? Take Andy King. We "rejected" him clearly enough last season - at least Holloway did. And we got relegated due to insufficient goals. Pearson had a different view of King and his career has flourished. Are you seriously saying it's any more than good fortune that the lad has become a first team regular under Pearson instead of a reject under Holloway? With Porter it's been the opposite. Under Kelly, Allen etc he got plenty of involvement until his injury. Under Pearson he's quickly become a reject.
Lillehamring Posted 23 December 2008 Posted 23 December 2008 Agreed, nobody should be hulimated at this time of the year. - sounds painful, is that a local thing
beemeroo Posted 23 December 2008 Posted 23 December 2008 So do you not think Stearman might have been released too early which was what a previous poster was talking about in relation to young players?What are you suggesting anyway - that City have wonderful judgement or something cos Stearman didn't even get the chance to play first team football in his preferred and probably best position as a centre-back? Take Andy King. We "rejected" him clearly enough last season - at least Holloway did. And we got relegated due to insufficient goals. Pearson had a different view of King and his career has flourished. Are you seriously saying it's any more than good fortune that the lad has become a first team regular under Pearson instead of a reject under Holloway? With Porter it's been the opposite. Under Kelly, Allen etc he got plenty of involvement until his injury. Under Pearson he's quickly become a reject. No offense meant but your logic is a little flawed here. We don't know that King was ready for first team football last year - let alone a regular starting spot. I agree that before January he was at least worth a shot but at that time we had managers who seemed to prefer experience and um... well right backs frankly. I think it would be a little bit unfair to call that a fault of the club as a whole. Anyway, last year we were a division higher. Overall I think, and I'm quite sure Andy King will agree, that this drop has done his career the world of good - allowing himself to prove he can cut it at this level at least. Perhaps a regular starting place in a championship side would've proved too much for him and he would've been shipped out on loan or just become another forgotten man. The problem is you never really can tell. With regards to the Stearman point - could we have kept him when championship clubs came calling? Even if we had played him in his 'preferred position' I really don't think so. I still find this a weak excuse, rather identical to the whole Gallas at Chelsea fiasco - and look how much of a genuine whiner he turned out to be. Last point I promise, I think we'd all agree that at this level at least Pearson has had pretty good judgement. We all doubted Berner and he has come good. We doubted the impact of Davies and he has looked pretty solid cover. Why is it so hard to accept the fact that yes Porter may have talent - but Pearson clearly feels he is going to upset the balance of the squad in one way or another. Perhaps had he taken a leaf out of Nicky Adams book he might have gotten more chances. No true supporter of the club can say its anything but a shame that he didnt come good for us - wether it was his fault or not. Wow that turned out really long.
Ric Flair Posted 23 December 2008 Posted 23 December 2008 So do you not think Stearman might have been released too early which was what a previous poster was talking about in relation to young players?What are you suggesting anyway - that City have wonderful judgement or something cos Stearman didn't even get the chance to play first team football in his preferred and probably best position as a centre-back? Take Andy King. We "rejected" him clearly enough last season - at least Holloway did. And we got relegated due to insufficient goals. Pearson had a different view of King and his career has flourished. Are you seriously saying it's any more than good fortune that the lad has become a first team regular under Pearson instead of a reject under Holloway? With Porter it's been the opposite. Under Kelly, Allen etc he got plenty of involvement until his injury. Under Pearson he's quickly become a reject. I was going to agree with you on this point, but having thought about it, my take on this is that we signed plenty of right backs during Stearman's tenure with Leicester but most of them were shit and it meant the only one worth their salt was Stearman, so he was stuck there and a mighty fine job he did too for the majority of the time. Kisnorbo and McAuley were a partnership that weren't really going to be broken up in the last season or so and Kenton, Maybury, Kaebi and I suppose James Chambers were all failures at Leicester.
CosbehFox Posted 23 December 2008 Posted 23 December 2008 We don't know what they have done behind the scenes or said behind closed doors. So it's difficult to assume Pearson's being harsh.
Babylon Posted 23 December 2008 Posted 23 December 2008 So do you not think Stearman might have been released too early which was what a previous poster was talking about in relation to young players?What are you suggesting anyway - that City have wonderful judgement or something cos Stearman didn't even get the chance to play first team football in his preferred and probably best position as a centre-back? Take Andy King. We "rejected" him clearly enough last season - at least Holloway did. And we got relegated due to insufficient goals. Pearson had a different view of King and his career has flourished. Are you seriously saying it's any more than good fortune that the lad has become a first team regular under Pearson instead of a reject under Holloway? With Porter it's been the opposite. Under Kelly, Allen etc he got plenty of involvement until his injury. Under Pearson he's quickly become a reject. Why do you keep going on about Stearman? The situation isn't even comparable, we sold him for a profit to a higher team. We didn't release him to go and play in league two. How many players have we released believing they are not good enough, for them to then go on to better things? I'd imagine there's not even 5 in the last 25 years. Cream will always rise to the top, if the lad makes it fantastic for him and it's something we may regret... but I seriously doubt it. I'd heard this "we'll regret it" nonsense too many times in the last few years. Petrescu, O'Grady, Wright etc etc etc. We can't hang on to players of average ability forever in the hope they'll make it, tough decisions have to be made unfortunately.
Ric Flair Posted 23 December 2008 Posted 23 December 2008 Why do you keep going on about Stearman? The situation isn't even comparable, we sold him for a profit to a higher team. We didn't release him to go and play in league two.How many players have we released believing they are not good enough, for them to then go on to better things? I'd imagine there's not even 5 in the last 25 years. Cream will always rise to the top, if the lad makes it fantastic for him and it's something we may regret... but I seriously doubt it. I'd heard this "we'll regret it" nonsense too many times in the last few years. Petrescu, O'Grady, Wright etc etc etc. We can't hang on to players of average ability forever in the hope they'll make it, tough decisions have to be made unfortunately. Word. I don't know why he's arguing anyway, where does he honestly think Porter is going to play in this team right now? Even Gradel can't get in and he's twice the player Porter will ever be. Porter in for Dyer? No Porter in for King? No Porter in for Davies? No Porter in for Oakley? Fook off Gradel can't get in. Adams can't get in. 2 midfielders who scored over 10 goals last season cannot get a game for us right now, Porter's not got a hope in hell. A bit of a shame, but that's what happens. Wesolowski is going to be the same too. Sometimes players miss the boat, sometimes clubs miss a trick and regret it. As of yet, I cannot remember a player from our academy leave us due to lack of first team football and go on to show us it's our loss, not theirs.
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