1964FOX Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 I'm just speaking theoretically. Now, with regards to comparing it with relegation was a blessing in disguise (something I don't agree with but can understand), here's what i mean Paulo Sousa is under pressure, no doubt about that. Maybe not from the board, but certainly the fans. A lot of fans think he's one game from the chop - if he loses it, he's gone. Not necessarily true, but some fans feel that way Now here's the comparison: Say we won on Saturday, Paulo kept his job, but in the end it was only papering over the cracks, and we got relegated. (Remember I'm being theoretical). At the end of the season, would it be wrong to think: Maybe if we'd have lost that Scunny game, Paulo would have had the sack and we could have saved ourselves Conversely: we lose the Scunny game, Sousa gets sacked, a new manager comes in and our defence looks a lot better very quickly, confidence returns, and we go on to achieve...lets say top half. Or play-offs if you like. Now then wouldn't you say losing to Scunny was a blessing in disguise? Remember, it's theoretical, those events may not happen, I'm aware of that. Yes you are right, after the event, saying these things would be acceptable because we would have supported our team through that bad patch and wished and hoped it had not happened at all. It's the idea of wishing it to happen that is alien to me and identifying a specific point in time for the 'bad things' to happen. I know you want me to uderstand why some fans think that way and I do but personally I think it's wrong and is not the way to support your team.
ajthefox Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 I understand people who want a loss but I for one don't agree in the slightest. The longer we go on without picking up points, the harder getting away from where we are is. I was gutted about last nights loss, especially after the start, and I will be gutted if we lose on saturday as well.
Kitchandro Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Yes you are right, after the event, saying these things would be acceptable because we would have supported our team through that bad patch and wished and hoped it had not happened at all. It's the idea of wishing it to happen that is alien to me and identifying a specific point in time for the 'bad things' to happen. I know you want me to uderstand why some fans think that way and I do but personally I think it's wrong and is not the way to support your team. OK I respect that I think I'm basically trying to say that the people who want us to lose on Saturday have that feeling because of naivety and anger rather than not caring. Can I add that I am behind the team 100% and will never boo them or the manager, neither will I myself wish us to lose on Saturday
1964FOX Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 OK I respect that I think I'm basically trying to say that the people who want us to lose on Saturday have that feeling because of naivety and anger rather than not caring. Can I add that I am behind the team 100% and will never boo them or the manager, neither will I myself wish us to lose on Saturday Excellent, glad your views are that way and I appreciate you were making the points to initiate constructive debate and fairness. I can now get back to winding up a certain person on this forum up by mentioning the Fosse Boys repeatedly.....DOH...... I did it again.
davieG Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Wanting Sousa gone has some logic to it Wanting us to lose has no logic to it. Even if it forced the hand of the club to sack Sousa and I have my doubts what does it do for the club and team moral. Another 3 points we'll never get the chance of winning again and the affect on the team losing at home to S****horpe, which with all due respect to them would be a massive confidence crusher both of these would put any new manager further back than ever and could be sufficient to make the situation irretrievable. Now this could happen anyway - but to want it!
southdevonfox Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 OK I respect that I think I'm basically trying to say that the people who want us to lose on Saturday have that feeling because of naivety and anger rather than not caring. Can I add that I am behind the team 100% and will never boo them or the manager, neither will I myself wish us to lose on Saturday i would never want my foxes to lose , but their is gonna be tension all round on sat, lots of very angry city fans and a manager who thinks we are doing ok , duh ,
foxaholic Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 Allen was sacked straight after a win so it has a precedent. The 2 league games played under Martin Allen 2-2 away at Palace and 4-1 win over Watford were as good as anything seen in the last 3 seasons so if he can be sacked then a win against S****horpe shouldnt neccessarily save Sousa
DB11 Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 When we got relegated we conceded less goals at home than we have already done so far this season And it's over halfway to the total goals we conceded all season...
Guest Mee-9 Posted 29 September 2010 Posted 29 September 2010 As much as i want Sousa to get the sack, 3 points is a must.
1964FOX Posted 30 September 2010 Posted 30 September 2010 New question to those who want us to lose. If you are actually attending the game and we score and go into the lead what will you do cheer, boo or sit there thinking oh no I wanted them to score? And I know some will reply that there's no chance we will score first just humour me and answer for the scenario that we do.
James. Posted 30 September 2010 Posted 30 September 2010 New question to those who want us to lose. If you are actually attending the game and we score and go into the lead what will you do cheer, boo or sit there thinking oh no I wanted them to score? Easy. Boo, loudly.
MC Prussian Posted 30 September 2010 Posted 30 September 2010 Win the game, sack Sousa next week. And everyone's happy.
davieG Posted 30 September 2010 Posted 30 September 2010 Leicester City chairman Milan Mandaric pleads with fans to back manager Paulo Sousa Thursday, September 30, 2010, 09:30Comment on this story<br style="line-height: 1.4em; "> Leicester City chairman Milan Mandaric has made an impassioned plea to the supporters not to turn on manager Paulo Sousa and his players. Mandaric told the Mercury he likened the current situation to when City were relegated to League One for the first time in the club's history and his call for unity then was heard by the Blue Army. Mandaric, below, urged supporters not to believe press speculation that Sousa is on borrowed time, but some fans think otherwise after Tuesday's defeat at Norwich – the team's third successive loss. There were even reports on Tuesday that former City boss Martin O'Neill was being lined up as a successor, but Mandaric said Sousa had the full support of himself and City's new owners, Aiyawatt and Vichai Raksriaksorn. "Things go wrong but we can't turn things upside down now, for God's sakes," said Mandaric. "We can't turn around now and say Paulo needs to go! Now is the time for us to show how strong we are together, how united we are behind our manager and give him a chance to get the results. "I would like to remind everyone what happened two years ago when we had a horrible time going down. At that time I called on everyone to be united and energise ourselves, get behind the new manager and the team, and give him time to show what he could do. "We had gone down but all the supporters gave undivided support to me, the manager and the team at that time. They didn't know anything about Nigel Pearson at that time, but at the end of the season we put smiles back on their faces. "I am asking the same again. It is a difficult time, but it is time to be united and not to listen to speculation in some parts of the media. Get behind the manager and give him support. I believe in the manager and the team and we need to give them our support. It is as simple as that. As far as I am concerned I told him on behalf of the owners and myself there is tremendous support for him overall and we all have to pitch in and do the same." Mandaric said Sousa was just as upset as the supporters following last Friday's 6-1 defeat at Portsmouth, but he urged the fans not to heap more pressure on the manager. "He is not a happy man and the players are not happy, the supporters are not happy. All of us are not happy," said Mandaric. "But it was just a week ago that we played Portsmouth and we demonstrated our capability. "Prior to that we beat Cardiff with a good performance. It was not too long ago and we shouldn't forget that, just because of one disastrous game. "I have met with Paulo and he is unhappy. He has heard the rumours and he knows that it was a game that no one can be proud of, but you have to support the manager. "What about me when we went down? I spent millions of pounds to turn us around to support the manager. "I didn't leave the team down and I ask the supporters not to desert the team, let's be united. That is what you have to do in difficult times, and this is a difficult time.'' "We are trying to find the winning formula and, while we are doing this, they need support. It is not easy. We have a really good owner and I have more desire to give support when the results are less successful. "I will do everything I can to influence things one way or another so that we can turn things around, and give our supporters a winning club." Mandaric may have sold the club to the Asia Football Investments consortium, but he feels he still has a vital role to play as chairman during a difficult period. He also urged people not to listen to reports that he is about to take over at Portsmouth again. "I do feel there is more importance on me to help Paulo," he said. "I am the chairman and I remain in the firing line. I never run away from that. I need to be there and I don't hide. "I am going to stand behind Paulo and the players and I ask the supporters the same thing. "The worst thing now would be to go against Paulo and take away his energy. We are all human and he needs support and the players need the support. "This is the worst time, when you see the speculation from some people about his job, and the speculation about Portsmouth as well. You can't listen to those things. "The facts are we are having difficulties at the moment, but we will come out of these difficulties. "We have experienced them before but, unfortunately, that is football for you. We will sort things out, as we have always done before. "Look at how many times this season we have had a clear penalty not given, or a goal disallowed, how many times we have been unlucky. But we can't dwell on that, we need to win the games."
braunstone fox Posted 30 September 2010 Posted 30 September 2010 i dont think you all want us to lose because lets face it, if we score we are all gonna celebrate the goal, i think we are now just expecting us to lose which is the problem
EnglishOxide Posted 30 September 2010 Posted 30 September 2010 I'm quite frankly staggered at the idiocy that most seem to be showing on this forum at the minute! Wanting your team to lose? I always want the best from the team and will never boo or get on the back of anyone because what help does that do? Changing the manager and style of play will not guarentee anything. We played 4-4-2 and 'effective football' under Micky Adams and people were calling for his head saying how shit we were. We played it under Levein and look how effective that was, we played it under Kelly who himself got us in a relegation battle, although it worked in his first season. We played it under Holloway and went down. I'm not defending Sousa and know that results have not been good enough but most of the arguments against him are rubbish. 'He keeps playing players out of position', am I the only one who watched us last season and saw us regularly playing Waghorn on the right or left wing when we played 4-3-3/4-5-1 under Pearson, and this resulting in most of his best and exciting performances. Lets not forget he played up front on his own a lot as well and although he tried hard he looked lost. Everyone said you can't play him on his own and complained about the lack of outball and people are now saying play him through the middle? From what I have seen he is the only player you could argue is playing out of position in the team, so where are all these numerous others? Now after an entire summer of people talking up the morrison and hobbs partnership and demanding they play together when morrison was dropped at the start of the season, suddenly after a few poor performances we need Wayne Brown back and 'oh how we miss him'. I don't remember anyone being so effusive about him last year, he was the butt of many jokes and was not considered good enough. Suddenly people say Morrison is not a natural centre back and is a right back even though we signed him as a centre back and they were excited at the prospect of him playing there? Last year King was the anonymous man and not championship quality and never did anything, now he is essential and cannot be dropped and everyone is in uproar about Sousa dropping him, didn't he then go and have a run of scoring after being dropped? Sorry for the rant but Leicester fans are probably the most fickle in the country, get behind the lads, if we lose and Sousa goes so be it, but wanting us to lose so he goes is a ridiculous argument! We could win and go on a run, we could win and lose the next few, you can't predict what will happen. Superb post. And who's to say, should we win that we won't go on a run under Sousa? Some people here seem to think they can predict the future.
teblin Posted 30 September 2010 Posted 30 September 2010 I am not happy with the way the season has started at all and if it carries on Sousa will have to go. Though wanting your club to lose is wrong, I would much rather we win on Saturday and carry on winning than having to change a manager again. I'm not holding up much help about the carrying on winning but you never know. Surely its better for Sousa to turn it around than for us to have another change of manager?
buzzy Posted 30 September 2010 Posted 30 September 2010 Curbishley? Can we get much worse than Sousa? We can't go bckwards can we, we're bottom. Sometimes sacking the manager is just common sense. As for wanting us to lose, if it resutls in his sacking I wouldn't mind if we lost. I'm used to losing now anyway, amazing how quickly that can happen again. I won't chant negatively towards Sousa or the team though. well we should sack you for this stupid quote if it resutls in his sacking I wouldn't mind if we lost. bye bye idiot
Wymsey Posted 30 September 2010 Posted 30 September 2010 Win the game, sack Sousa next week. And everyone's happy. That's the best way possible. Let's hope your correct.
1964FOX Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 Hopefully everyone wants us to Win now. Let's make some serious noise fir the lads.
ozleicester Posted 1 October 2010 Posted 1 October 2010 I want us to lose now... just to teach us a lesson
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