Students

[Finnegan]

Pretty much BS mate.

To get into the Fashion industry you need a degree in the subject.

And an absolutely terrible personality.

[Maybes]

And an absolutely terrible personality.

Am I missing something here?

[ajthefox]

If its pointless degrees your after then Art and Fashion come right at the very top.

Neither can really be taught, your either good or your not and unless your gunna become a teacher you really don't need a degree in those subjects to be successful in those fields.

what about high street fashion? pretty sure that plays a massive part in the economy, thus people designing clothes are important, even though some people will wear anything if its trendy..

[Finnegan]

Am I missing something here?

Admittedly I only have the mass media and the fashion students of MDX Uni to go by - but I stand by my statement.

[Dames]

Pretty much BS mate.

To get into the Fashion industry you need a degree in the subject.

what about high street fashion? pretty sure that plays a massive part in the economy, thus people designing clothes are important, even though some people will wear anything if its trendy..

I may have worded it a little wrong with Fashion but I'm pretty sure that a substantial amount of top designers don't have degrees.

You'd probably need a degree to be an 'expert' or 'guru' as they are known as but still a degree for telling people what to wear?

Pointless.

[Finnegan]

I may have worded it a little wrong with Fashion but I'm pretty sure that a substantial amount of top designers don't have degrees.

You'd probably need a degree to be an 'expert' or 'guru' as they are known as but still a degree for telling people what to wear?

Pointless.

Mh, no, not really mate. Fashion is a very technical form of design. You may have a natural flair for creativity but you need to learn the trade, methods of production and the correct ways to do things if you actually want to partake in the industry.

I'm sure that's true of all forms of design, be it architecture, as previously mentioned, or graphics, or the people that design everything from iPods to the POS displays that sell them.

Edit: As an aside, though, whether or not university is the best means to learn as opposed to a trade apprenticeship, however, that's an entirely different debate. Though, currently, yes I very much imagine you need a degree and not just a portfolio of flash drawings of skirts.

[ajthefox]

I agree with you to an extent but i think pretty much all degrees would be useful in some way or another, although i suppose the whole point of a degree should be that its important to have one in your particular career path.

Maybe some courses should be b-tecs or maybe a different qualifications could be given, but unless universities withdraw from "mickey mouse" degrees, which is highly unlikely given all they want is £££ then it will never happen.

It would be a ridiculous amount of hassle and there would no doubt be outrage if some degrees were wiped out.

Can I just say in terms of fashion, one of my best mates does it and she works harder than any one else I know, so they aren't necessarily dossers.

edit: I once made part of a garment on my course because a client was a fashion designer, and it was a right fooking fuss, a lot more complex than i'd imagined.

[Dames]

Mh, no, not really mate. Fashion is a very technical form of design. You may have a natural flair for creativity but you need to learn the trade, methods of production and the correct ways to do things if you actually want to partake in the industry.

I'm sure that's true of all forms of design, be it architecture, as previously mentioned, or graphics, or the people that design everything from iPods to the POS displays that sell them.

Edit: As an aside, though, whether or not university is the best means to learn as opposed to a trade apprenticeship, however, that's an entirely different debate. Though, currently, yes I very much imagine you need a degree and not just a portfolio of flash drawings of skirts.

That's a very good point that I completely over looked.

I guess i'll eat my words and say that it might not be as pointless as I thought.

And i agree, an apprenticeship would be a far more effective method of learning.

[Bryn]

This whole fiasco is horrific from all sides. I just cannot see who wins. The unis don't, they're getting their budget cut. The Government certainly don't, they look like twats, and even Labour contributed and would likely have undertaken a similar path in their own right. The taxpayer doesn't seem to either - almost as many kids will go to Uni anyway, it's seen as a right these days, and all that will happen is a generation of students will simply borrow more from the Government, fail to find work, and then never pay it back; or, find work, and pay it back after a higher threshold and at a slower rate.

If you asked me to pick a winner, I'd say students - still gonna get money thrown at them to go to Uni and the repayment schedule is laughable.

So here I stand. 20, a student, in disagreement with everyone involved but with no better solutions in mind.

[lildave3]

Yep, as I thought.

I mean sure, that is the dream job.

I'm 19, i'm getting paid pretty damn decent imo and i'm enjoying it, hit me up in 2 years when you're scrimping and saving for every pot noodle you can get your hands on just to learn that religion is bollocks.

To be fair though, at least with that attitude you'll fit right in with the rest of the student population. First time for everything I guess.

That's because you're a cvnt.

Truest thing anyone has ever said on here.

[Mikey]

Religous Studies.

[BoneDog]

Admittedly I only have the mass media and the fashion students of MDX Uni to go by - but I stand by my statement.

From personal experience I've got to agree. The few I knew were quite literally insane - and that's saying alot coming from someone who is looking forward to the day Jesus returns in a UFO!

[Finnegan]

From personal experience I've got to agree. The few I knew were quite literally insane - and that's saying alot coming from someone who is looking forward to the day Jesus returns in a UFO!

[Fosse Boy]

I'm 19, i'm getting paid pretty damn decent imo and i'm enjoying it, hit me up in 2 years when you're scrimping and saving for every pot noodle you can get your hands on just to learn that religion is bollocks.

To be fair though, at least with that attitude you'll fit right in with the rest of the student population. First time for everything I guess.

Harsh. The stereotypes, while sadly highly visible, are definitely in a minority.

NSLL, have you ever had a job by the way?

[James.]

NSLL may be acting like a prck but it's pretty immature and naive to take the piss out of him for wanting to study religion at uni.

[Finnegan]

NSLL may be acting like a prck but it's pretty immature and naive to take the piss out of him for wanting to study religion at uni.

I'm genuinely struggling to think of that many merits of studying it as a major, to be fair.

[Joe.]

I'm genuinely struggling to think of that many merits of studying it as a major, to be fair.

In all seriousness, neither can I. OK there may be specific opportunities for said voluntary work, but surely there can't be too much more than that. I may be being narrow-minded so please enlighten me/. And voluntary? That won't get you too far in the real world.

I can just see potential employers looking at a CV with a degree in Religious Studies on it and moving swiftly on. I know if I wanted to hire somebody I'd think they had a screw loose upon seeing that.

[Finnegan]

Well no, I mean it's an academic subject so the transferable skills are going to be good - a first or a two-one is going to look reasonable to a prospective employer. You'd expect a good level of comprehension and literacy from someone who'd studied something like Religious Studies or Theology.

It's the directly applied 'skills' that I can't really think of much broad use for.

[James.]

It's not just about the subject is it. As you say Finnegan there's a hell of a lot of transferable skills from studying most degree subjects. I also think Religious Studies is hugely topical and always will be and there will be scope within and outside academia for paid work to come from it.

I have a mate earning 6 figures working on a trading floor. He did geography. It's not the subject, it's the fact you have the degree and all the "side" experience, knowledge and skills that go with that.

[Guest ttfn]

These 'loans' are written off after 30 years. 25 for me under old system. If a graduate on this new scheme was earning like 22k, they would only be paying like 8 quid a month.

The whole complaint is absurd.

Students won't even know they're paying it back. It's a debt without consequence. Repayments are minimal and it's not like the government comes after you if you lose your job: you just stop paying the loan back.

Debt isn't always bad. In this case it will help improve the quality of the teaching on offer, and people will barely notice they're paying it back, if they pay it back at all.

[Smudge]

I'm genuinely struggling to think of that many merits of studying it as a major, to be fair.

Research, journalism, archeology, religious education, ministering, government advisement, counseling.

[coale39]

The whole complaint is absurd.

Students won't even know they're paying it back. It's a debt without consequence. Repayments are minimal and it's not like the government comes after you if you lose your job: you just stop paying the loan back.

Debt isn't always bad. In this case it will help improve the quality of the teaching on offer, and people will barely notice they're paying it back, if they pay it back at all.

Only a quarter of all graduates will pay off loans

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/only-a-quarter-of-all-graduates-will-pay-off-loans-2158168.html

Only one in four graduates will pay back the full cost of their tuition fees under the coalition's new system for financing higher education in England.

Internal government figures, seen by The Independent on Sunday, reveal that a small minority of students paying fees of up to £9,000 a year are expected ever to pay them off in full.

[BoneDog]

To be fair to NSLL I think Religious Studies is an excellent subject even if you don't believe in the unseen or a Creator. To me it's another branch of History (if they teach the history parts at uni) as there's no doubt that all the major characters existed : Solomon, David, Jesus etc. and they are massive players in world history who have caused more ripples ever since their time than anyone alive in our age will ever manage.

There are many opportunities that would come from learning alot about this stuff imo. If you can write fairly well, know the history and have ideas then you can sell millions of books on this subject. It's pretty massive.

[Daggers]

.... as there's no doubt that all the major characters existed : Solomon, David, Jesus etc. and they are massive players in world history

Behave.

[BoneDog]

Behave.

King David was real. And King Solomon and Jesus and Mary (one of the greatest women to ever grace the earth ) all existed. Marys bloke, Joseph, was made up though.

The other Joseph (Jacobs son), however, was real and apparantly did a bit of business with one of the Pharaohs.

Solomons writings are very appreciated in Freemasonry so I believe.

I'll say no more as it's a thread about students and also through fear of ridicule.