Boxing

[Countryfox]

Just don’t get why the fat fvcker didn’t train and give it a go ...   people have paid a lot of money to see this ...  has no regard for the sport which has given him this lifestyle or the fans who watch it.   In my opinion he’s a total fvckin disgrace.

[LinekersLugs]

56 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

AJ Usyk in 160 days or AJ vacates the WBO. 

 

Hearn says he won't vacate, AJ wants Usyk, Usyk wants to fight basically everyone. 

 

Nailed on? 

Cash payment to Usyk coming up 

[Manwell Pablo]

4 hours ago, Countryfox said:

Just don’t get why the fat fvcker didn’t train and give it a go ...   people have paid a lot of money to see this ...  has no regard for the sport which has given him this lifestyle or the fans who watch it.   In my opinion he’s a total fvckin disgrace.

 

Bit much.   

 

Really eye  opening weekend this. Boxing is a complicated sport and no one gets things right all of the time, if you’re secure enough when you get it wrong you hold your hands up. 

 

60% of the boxing community, maybe even 70 thought Ruiz would get the job done, he failed completely. 

 

Some of the excuses and Critiques I’ve seen on here and elsewhere are the real embarrassment. You can see some people making pre fight comments about Ruiz being more skilled, possessing more guile, having quicker hands, he’s been boxing since he was 5 etc etc bull shit bull shit......zzzzzz. And those same people are the ones post fight claiming  “he’s a fat ****er” “proves nothing” “he’s a notva top heavy Weight.....🤔

 

[Finnegan]

Tbf, whilst it was harsh in language, its a bit true in point. 

 

Hideously unprofessional. I mean Wach and Whyte looked fat enough but Ruiz looked insane. He's a multi millionaire professional athlete whose one job is to be in shape. 

 

I understand that his ability to maintain some good speed whilst carrying weight for power is part of what made him dangerous in the first place but no good can come in any sport of being drastically unfit. 

[Col city fan]

What an incredibly boring anti-climax to a hugely built up fight.

AJ boxed clever, Ruiz was a disgrace in terms of his fatness

One of my mates was on FB pretty much straight after and posted this:

Boxing doesn’t hold the same interest for me as it used to. 
Take last night, huge build up, terrible fight! Literally a fit bloke running away from a short fat bloke
I remember the days of McGuigan, Conte, Duran, Sibson, Hagler, Duran, Leonard, the list seems endless.
Heady days.
 

I completely concur. I watched the ‘fight’ with my son in a packed Notts Casino. I’d have been well pissed if I’d paid the 26.99

 

Usyk might not be big enough to give AJ a proper contest but it will undoubtedly be a proper fight in terms of he’ll get himself in the best shape he can possibly be in

[Countryfox]

9 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Bit much.   

 

Really eye  opening weekend this. Boxing is a complicated sport and no one gets things right all of the time, if you’re secure enough when you get it wrong you hold your hands up. 

 

60% of the boxing community, maybe even 70 thought Ruiz would get the job done, he failed completely. 

 

Some of the excuses and Critiques I’ve seen on here and elsewhere are the real embarrassment. You can see some people making pre fight comments about Ruiz being more skilled, possessing more guile, having quicker hands, he’s been boxing since he was 5 etc etc bull shit bull shit......zzzzzz. And those same people are the ones post fight claiming  “he’s a fat ****er” “proves nothing” “he’s a notva top heavy Weight.....🤔

 

Nope, sorry Pabs the only bit much is his waistline ...  

 

 

[Manwell Pablo]

1 hour ago, Countryfox said:

Nope, sorry Pabs the only bit much is his waistline ...  

 

 

 

He's fat, always has been fat, pretty much always will be fat. Thats the fattest he's been for awhile but not even the fattest he's ever got in the ring at. His strengths have very little to do with his conditioning.

 

He's clearly indulged and that's why he's as stone heavier but I can't really see shifting back down to 19 stone, still being fat but a bit less fat, is going to help against someone who is just going to keep him out of range and jab his head off because he knows there's no coming back if he gets KO'd again. Could he/should he of trained harder? Probably, but then maybe this time it was Andy Ruiz's turn to underestimate Anthony Joshua.

 

It was an alright, albeit very one sided fight for me, Joshua landed some decent shots he just had no inclination to force a stoppage which is hardly surprising given what happened last time.

Edited 9 December 2019 by Manwell Pablo

[Manwell Pablo]

15 hours ago, LinekersLugs said:

Cash payment to Usyk coming up 

 

Yes Match room signed Usyk will be asked to step aside with Kubrat Pulev coming first you'd imagine. Otherwise you can see the IBF stripping Joshua. 

[LinekersLugs]

6 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Yes Match room signed Usyk will be asked to step aside with Kubrat Pulev coming first you'd imagine. Otherwise you can see the IBF stripping Joshua. 

I agree Pulev will be next 

 

then if Tyson wins in February the whole thing ramps up to a wembley showdown 

 

With all the organisations happy to get $1m each to sanction that 

 

 

[Countryfox]

1 hour ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

He's fat, always has been fat, pretty much always will be fat. Thats the fattest he's been for awhile but not even the fattest he's ever got in the ring at. His strengths have very little to do with his conditioning.

 

He's clearly indulged and that's why he's as stone heavier but I can't really see shifting back down to 19 stone, still being fat but a bit less fat, is going to help against someone who is just going to keep him out of range and jab his head off because he knows there's no coming back if he gets KO'd again. Could he/should he of trained harder? Probably, but then maybe this time it was Andy Ruiz's turn to underestimate Anthony Joshua.

 

It was an alright, albeit very one sided fight for me, Joshua landed some decent shots he just had no inclination to force a stoppage which is hardly surprising given what happened last time.

 

Can't argue with that Pabs and not trying to get the last word in here, but, I think he was ever so slightly disrespectful ...   thought he should have put some effort in for the fight as opposed to none ...  for many reasons not least to the fans that support him in his own country and to whom he is an idol.

[Manwell Pablo]

33 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

Can't argue with that Pabs and not trying to get the last word in here, but, I think he was ever so slightly disrespectful ...   thought he should have put some effort in for the fight as opposed to none ...  for many reasons not least to the fans that support him in his own country and to whom he is an idol.

 

I mean he clearly put some effort in, just not quite enough  

 

I get what your saying, I do agree, I just think you laid into him a bit too much, it is very easy to lose that bit of motivation and not even realise it when your in his shoe's, I think it was Marvin Hagler who once said it's hard to get up at 5am and go road running when you've been sleeping in silk Pajamas.

[Countryfox]

44 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

I mean he clearly put some effort in, just not quite enough  

 

I get what your saying, I do agree, I just think you laid into him a bit too much, it is very easy to lose that bit of motivation and not even realise it when your in his shoe's, I think it was Marvin Hagler who once said it's hard to get up at 5am and go road running when you've been sleeping in silk Pajamas.

Aha !!! ...   and there’s the answer ..    don’t go to bed in silk pyjamas !!!

[Finnegan]

3 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Yes Match room signed Usyk will be asked to step aside with Kubrat Pulev coming first you'd imagine. Otherwise you can see the IBF stripping Joshua. 

 

Having watched the Ruiz fights and Ruiz showing that there's a flip side to being shorter and using its advantages to terrify AJ somewhat, how do you see a Usyk AJ fight going? 

 

Usyk undoubtedly will have vastly superior mobility and feet to try and get him in close should he want to. 

[murphy]

6 hours ago, Col city fan said:

...

 

I remember the days of McGuigan, Conte, Duran, Sibson, Hagler, Duran, Leonard, the list seems endless.
Heady days.

...

 

Ah yes, the glory days of Hagler, Hearns and Duran Duran.  They were well 'ard.

 

[Manwell Pablo]

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Having watched the Ruiz fights and Ruiz showing that there's a flip side to being shorter and using its advantages to terrify AJ somewhat, how do you see a Usyk AJ fight going? 

 

Usyk undoubtedly will have vastly superior mobility and feet to try and get him in close should he want to. 

 

Usyk's a tough assignment. Mind you he wasn't overally impressive in his heavyweight debut, bit hard to tell at the moment. Id be inclined to favor Usky if it happened tomorrow but hopefully we'll get to see a bit more of him at this weight before he fights Joshua.

[The Horse's Mouth]

I dont blame him must be pretty hard to get the fire back after battering Joshua the first time, it's like fury after Klitschko, most embarrassing thing is Joshua not battering him and having to go the distance with a fat midget 

[Countryfox]

16 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I dont blame him must be pretty hard to get the fire back after battering Joshua the first time, it's like fury after Klitschko, most embarrassing thing is Joshua not battering him and having to go the distance with a fat midget 

That’s something I noticed ...  everyone thinks he’s short ..   he’s actually 6’2”  ...     

 

Very deceptive ...

[Kendal Fox]

I agree there are some pathetic excuses being made by Ruiz and his followers and I backed him to win again, up until I realised that he'd actually put even more weight on which was BEFORE the weigh in. At that point I said on here that he'd clearly dismissed the possibility that AJ would box on the back foot to try and pick up a points win, which was naive and my hunch was it would sting him. And that was also taking into account that it was common knowledge Joshua had dropped a noticeable amount of weight.

 

But people have short memories and I find it interesting that the excuses being made by Joshua fans as to why he lost the first fight are any less pathetic and why they aren't disrespectful to Ruiz's performance first time round?? It's the double standard that irks me. Like, "How dare Ruiz have knocked him out in the first fight!!" 

 

It's definitely one rule for Joshua and a different rule for Ruiz here. Still doesn't change the fact that they're one a piece, with Ruiz's being the more spectacular win. Much to the chagrin of AJ fans.

Edited 10 December 2019 by Kendal Fox

[Tinman]

[filbertway]

I know nothing about boxing but I assumed that Joshua would box sensibly and not take any risks seeing as another defeat would basically end his career. 

[Kendal Fox]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

I know nothing about boxing but I assumed that Joshua would box sensibly and not take any risks seeing as another defeat would basically end his career. 

Exactly. I have no problem with him doing that and I even said, the day after his loss, that he would have to do that in order to win a rematch with Ruiz.

 

The problem I have is how fickle his fans are - All of the predictions I saw from them were AJ by KO, which would mean he'd have had to stand in there and trade with Ruiz, a bad idea for obvious reasons. Then when he boxes on the backfoot and wins by decision, they never admit their idea of how he should approach the fight would have been the wrong strategy. Moreover, many of them ridiculed Fury for a "boring win over Wlad", despite AJ also adopting a long range, low action strategy here??!

 

 

Edited 10 December 2019 by Kendal Fox

[Manwell Pablo]

On 10/12/2019 at 13:05, Kendal Fox said:

I agree there are some pathetic excuses being made by Ruiz and his followers and I backed him to win again, up until I realised that he'd actually put even more weight on which was BEFORE the weigh in. At that point I said on here that he'd clearly dismissed the possibility that AJ would box on the back foot to try and pick up a points win, which was naive and my hunch was it would sting him. And that was also taking into account that it was common knowledge Joshua had dropped a noticeable amount of weight.

 

But people have short memories and I find it interesting that the excuses being made by Joshua fans as to why he lost the first fight are any less pathetic and why they aren't disrespectful to Ruiz's performance first time round?? It's the double standard that irks me. Like, "How dare Ruiz have knocked him out in the first fight!!" 

 

It's definitely one rule for Joshua and a different rule for Ruiz here. Still doesn't change the fact that they're one a piece, with Ruiz's being the more spectacular win. Much to the chagrin of AJ fans.

 

Hasn't he come out and said he had a health problem that required surgery? I mean if that's true (and the Hearn PR machine could well be making it up) I think that's a slightly more acceptable excuse than "yeah had 3 months on the ale mate sorry"  some folk are going a bit over the top with Ruiz criticism I agree

 

A fit on it Joshua beats a fit on it Ruiz for me and he does it the same he did it to the fat one. He got caught cold in the first fight, he was naive rushed and got caught out by cleaver quick fighter, all there is to it. Nothing after round 3 means anything because Joshua is all over the place. I don't particularly want to see a third fight.  

 

[Col city fan]

1 hour ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Hasn't he come out and said he had a health problem that required surgery? I mean if that's true (and the Hearn PR machine could well be making it up) I think that's a slightly more acceptable excuse than "yeah had 3 months on the ale mate sorry"  some folk are going a bit over the top with Ruiz criticism I agree

 

A fit on it Joshua beats a fit on it Ruiz for me and he does it the same he did it to the fat one. He got caught cold in the first fight, he was naive rushed and got caught out by cleaver quick fighter, all there is to it. Nothing after round 3 means anything because Joshua is all over the place. I don't particularly want to see a third fight.  

 

Would you give Usyk a chance against AJ?

[The Horse's Mouth]

I just remember Joshua mocking Fury for how he beat Vlad, and he basically did the exact same tactics against a lesser fatter fighter. I hope we don't get a trilogy fight, wouldnt mind Joshua Whyte 2 though, think Whyte can do him if he gets back to how he was pre ban 

[Manwell Pablo]

2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Would you give Usyk a chance against AJ?

 

Like I’ve said elsewhere I’d edge him to win it if it were tomorrow, he’s a massive threat to Joshua, but his debut wasn’t exactly spectacular so would be more confident after seeing a bit more of him at this weight.

 

How quickly Hearn will want that fight to take place is debatable though.