Sven has 5 games to Save his Job

[MC Prussian]

Bloody foreigners.

First they dare to come up with better footballers, swamping the Premier League.

And then they also take over the coaches' benches if the most prestigious posts in football.

How much foreign is foreign enough?

Surely, some English people would consider Scots and Northern Irish as complete aliens.

P.S.: Martin O'Neill is not the answer. He was the answer. Once.

[Koke]

Looking forward to seeing Neil Danns, Jermaine Beckford and El-Hadji Diouf cruising along Narborough Road in a souped-up Vauxhall Astra, boot shaking to the bass of 'Dannz' latest single, featuring 'Beckz n Diozee', "we da lesta boiz u getz me"

Martin O'Neil would collapse in horror on his first day of training with all these pikeys around the place.

[l444ry]

How do you work that out?

I'll assume that is a serious question.

Just look at O'Neill's record. Wall to wall success, most of it done on a shoestring compared to the clubs he was sparring with at the time.

Then look at Sven's record. Perhaps you could point out what he's achieved in the last 10 years because I can't!!

[B52]

I'll assume that is a serious question.

Just look at O'Neill's record. Wall to wall success, most of it done on a shoestring compared to the clubs he was sparring with at the time.

Then look at Sven's record. Perhaps you could point out what he's achieved in the last 10 years because I can't!!

Love it, a typical spin doctor myth is established...... What he's achieved in the last ten years.....

Everyone knows Sven has been a manager of primarly national teams, England. Man City was an enourmous success. Just look at the players, the depth of the squad and what he achieved.

The possibilities of achievements is quite low. The occassional WC or EC........ With Man City it was impossible of matching the top 6 in PL.

As a comparision, Mourinho started as a manager in 2000.... If Sven had stayed as a manager he would have won a fair share of the domestic and international competitions under the last ten years.

The Man City success is probably the only thing bad for Sven. The thai owners may have an unrealistic view on the Championship league and think that Sven will piss on this league just because Man City started so great under Sven.

[I am Rod Hull]

This is why i don`t buy news papers....

[l444ry]

Love it, a typical spin doctor myth is established...... What he's achieved in the last ten years.....

Everyone knows Sven has been a manager of primarly national teams, England. Man City was an enourmous success. Just look at the players, the depth of the squad and what he achieved.

The possibilities of achievements is quite low. The occassional WC or EC........ With Man City it was impossible of matching the top 6 in PL.

As a comparision, Mourinho started as a manager in 2000.... If Sven had stayed as a manager he would have won a fair share of the domestic and international competitions under the last ten years.

The Man City success is probably the only thing bad for Sven. The thai owners may have an unrealistic view on the Championship league and think that Sven will piss on this league just because Man City started so great under Sven.

Yet O'Neill did it with Aston Villa three years on the trot......get a grip, mate!!

[Dicko]

I'll assume that is a serious question.

Just look at O'Neill's record. Wall to wall success, most of it done on a shoestring compared to the clubs he was sparring with at the time.

Then look at Sven's record. Perhaps you could point out what he's achieved in the last 10 years because I can't!!

Of course it's a serious question, although admittedly this is quite a futile debate as we already have a good manager in place in Sven and even if we didn't O'Neill won't be coming back.

O'Neill was fantastic for us, no arguments there. He did as well as you would expect at Celtic given that he was only competing against one other side. He wasnt' exactly "on a shoestring" there and Rangers certainly weren't outspending Celtic. At Villa he was given a decent amount to spend by Lerner and in fact left when he was told that he might have to work on a shoestring for a season, due to the high wages that O'Neill had given to fringe players. He did okay there, a couple of 6th places and a league-cup runners up medal, but it's hardly "wall to wall success".

As for Sven, your "last ten years" parameter is misleading as you know that he has spent the majority of that time in International Football. This rules out the trophies that he won in Sweden, Portugal, and especially Lazio when he won Serie A.

For England, he got us to the 2002 World Cup despite the perilous position that Keegan left us in, and this included the 5-1 in Germany that some fans still talk about to this day (not me I must add). He took us to qualification for and to the Quarter Finals of three successive tournaments from 2002 and 2006. At the time this was seen as an underachievement, although since then his successors have failed to qualify for Euro 2008 (McClaren) and limped out in the second round of WC 2010 (Capello) .

He was on the way to turning Man City around and there was actually a fans campaign to stop him being removed from the managerial post there.

Mexico obviously didn't work out, and he was only with Ivory Coast for one tournament in a group with Spain and Portugal.

So i'd say that Sven's record stands up against anyones including O'Neill.

Which is why i'm pleased that we've got him considering the Kellys, Allens, Megsons etc that we've had in recent years. It's clear that some fans don't really want him to succeed here though.

[Yojoe36]

Some people need to be shot

[l444ry]

Of course it's a serious question, although admittedly this is quite a futile debate as we already have a good manager in place in Sven and even if we didn't O'Neill won't be coming back.

O'Neill was fantastic for us, no arguments there. He did as well as you would expect at Celtic given that he was only competing against one other side. He wasnt' exactly "on a shoestring" there and Rangers certainly weren't outspending Celtic. At Villa he was given a decent amount to spend by Lerner and in fact left when he was told that he might have to work on a shoestring for a season, due to the high wages that O'Neill had given to fringe players. He did okay there, a couple of 6th places and a league-cup runners up medal, but it's hardly "wall to wall success".

As for Sven, your "last ten years" parameter is misleading as you know that he has spent the majority of that time in International Football. This rules out the trophies that he won in Sweden, Portugal, and especially Lazio when he won Serie A.

For England, he got us to the 2002 World Cup despite the perilous position that Keegan left us in, and this included the 5-1 in Germany that some fans still talk about to this day (not me I must add). He took us to qualification for and to the Quarter Finals of three successive tournaments from 2002 and 2006. At the time this was seen as an underachievement, although since then his successors have failed to qualify for Euro 2008 (McClaren) and limped out in the second round of WC 2010 (Capello) .

He was on the way to turning Man City around and there was actually a fans campaign to stop him being removed from the managerial post there.

Mexico obviously didn't work out, and he was only with Ivory Coast for one tournament in a group with Spain and Portugal.

So i'd say that Sven's record stands up against anyones including O'Neill.

Which is why i'm pleased that we've got him considering the Kellys, Allens, Megsons etc that we've had in recent years. It's clear that some fans don't really want him to succeed here though.

Maybe not Rangers, but he still got them to a EUFA cup final against financially bigger hitters.

Forgive me, but the rest of your post is just a good attempt at making excuses for Sven.

As for the last point, I hope you ain't referring to me. I was probably supporting City while you were still in your nappies!!

[B52]

Yet O'Neill did it with Aston Villa three years on the trot......get a grip, mate!!

How many players in the squad, quality.... Man City suffered a lot because key players like Elano, Johnson were injuried and played with injuries. The squad was a first eleven and the rest were reserve players.

By the way, Sven won against Aston Villa and drew one. So statistically Sven 4-1 Mon pointwise...

[l444ry]

I'm going back to the WTC7 debate in Chat. Even Zingari and El Empty make more sense this!!

[tomtom]

Maybe not Rangers, but he still got them to a EUFA cup final against financially bigger hitters.

Forgive me, but the rest of your post is just a good attempt at making excuses for Sven.

As for the last point, I hope you ain't referring to me. I was probably supporting City while you were still in your nappies!!

What on earth has how old you are got to do with it?....he's making a fair point that some people( no matter how long they've supported city) seem to want sven to fail just to say I told you so,....whether he's aiming that at you I've obviously no idea

[B52]

I'm going back to the WTC7 debate in Chat. Even Zingari and El Empty make more sense this!!

Is it easier to say "He hasn't done anything for ten years or Mon did that with Aston Villa", without any more info in Chat.

[Dicko]

Maybe not Rangers, but he still got them to a EUFA cup final against financially bigger hitters.

Forgive me, but the rest of your post is just a good attempt at making excuses for Sven.

As for the last point, I hope you ain't referring to me. I was probably supporting City while you were still in your nappies!!

The only "big hitters" that he really came across in that UEFA Cup Run was arguably Liverpool (although they weren't in great shape that season) and possibly Stuttgart. Other than that they played Blackburn, Boavista, Celta Vigo and some Lithuanian team.

I'm not "making excuses for Sven", i'm just disagreeing with your ridiculous statement about O'Neill being "ten times the manager that Sven is" by using facts and a reasoned argument.

And for the records I couldn't give a toss about how long you've supported City, that doesn't make you any more or less qualified than anyone else on here.

[MONreborn]

Would be stupid to sack him and think he's learnt from his errors ie gallagher for nugent against forest.... He picked schlupp to replace nugent against southampton. We could easily be on 9 points this season but 7 is respectable. I think we will make play offs for sure. This investment will last us 2/3 years not just this season so let's give Sven our backing

[l444ry]

The only "big hitters" that he really came across in that UEFA Cup Run was arguably Liverpool (although they weren't in great shape that season) and possibly Stuttgart. Other than that they played Blackburn, Boavista, Celta Vigo and some Lithuanian team.

I'm not "making excuses for Sven", i'm just disagreeing with your ridiculous statement about O'Neill being "ten times the manager that Sven is" by using facts and a reasoned argument.

And for the records I couldn't give a toss about how long you've supported City, that doesn't make you any more or less qualified than anyone else on here.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

And I'm not claiming to be more qualified to comment than you. I'm not that petty, mate. So chill out.....

[Dicko]

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

And I'm not claiming to be more qualified to comment than you. I'm not that petty, mate. So chill out.....

Fair enough, and in fairness I am chilled out, i'm obviously just really bored during international breaks!

[5waller5]

I hate this thread ... provoked by very lazy journalism .....

I remember the day that Sousa was sacked and we were linked with Sven and MON ...... from being disappointed we'd been trigger happy i went to ecstatic that we had the interest of two such brilliant managers .....

Having watched almost every game of both of their tenures as LCFC manager now I can easily put on record that I'd rather watch Sven's brand of football than Martin's. Both great managers and both will bring us success - I just find Sven more exciting as a manager and prefer his football.

<tin hat on head>

[cc_star]

As for Sven, your "last ten years" parameter is misleading as you know that he has spent the majority of that time in International Football. This rules out the trophies that he won in Sweden, Portugal, and especially Lazio when he won Serie A.

Some would say he bought those & aren't really a clue to whether he possesses the skills required to get a team out of the best second flight in the world.

There's certainly something massively missing from the coaching & development side of his skill-set

Hobbs 800k

Mills £5m

would indicate there's something wrong with other parts of his skills too

All in all changing him now is massively wrong but it would be crazy of the owners not to have a look at the situation should we continue taking 1 step forward 1 step backwards, especially with the 2 week international break after the Derby game on Oct1st (exactly the same time of year that Sousa was judged & Sven replaced him)

[B52]

Some would say he bought those & aren't really a clue to whether he possesses the skills required to get a team out of the best second flight in the world.

Guardiola, Mourinho, Capello... The list goes on and on with managers you could say bought titles, or inherited.

Managers capable of handling football egocentrics are worth much. Managers capable of tactics are everywhere. You can look on this forum how many there is capable of the simple tactics needed. But many of thoose can't handle people.

[Jacnah]

Quite.

he's a complete scuzzer.....................very concerned that anybody is even considering making up the fact that we might be linked

[moseeds]

No matter Sven's record in the last few games, no one can deny last season's meteoric rise up the table and his incredible past CV. You are deluding yourself if you believe MON is in the same league as Sven. MON is a great manager, but Sven will go down in footballing history. BTW I love MON as much as the next city fan, but let's be a bit realistic here!

[wellyfox]

I hate this thread ... provoked by very lazy journalism .....

I remember the day that Sousa was sacked and we were linked with Sven and MON ...... from being disappointed we'd been trigger happy i went to ecstatic that we had the interest of two such brilliant managers .....

Having watched almost every game of both of their tenures as LCFC manager now I can easily put on record that I'd rather watch Sven's brand of football than Martin's. Both great managers and both will bring us success - I just find Sven more exciting as a manager and prefer his football.

<tin hat on head>

No tin hat needed from my part.

aal i wiil say is sven gets what he wants MoN ended up giving back all the company mobile's.

MoN got us some great players for nothing PT was givern everything n nearly ****ed us.

Why was it never given to MoN??

And sven has been given everything Hard to judge the two.

Yes we have broken our TF record but what PT paid for akinbadbuy would be a 16 to 20 mill guy now.

Your spot on MoN footy was not great but two cups three finals plus europe on what he was given I'd swap good footy for promo n a cup right now.

But saying that i do trust sven will do the job. :scarf:

[roblcfc84]

I'm amazed with what I read sometimes. Some fans are never happy. We have sven as our manager and have just signed some quality players in the summer. We have owners who not only have money but seem to Want the best for the club. If it wasn't for a bias ref we would have won five games in seven this season. What do people actually want from less than a years wrk.

And as for MON hero of mine. but that was over ten years ago in a different era of football and if you think for one minute that team from the late 90's could compete in today's league - they couldn't. Dnt forget MON spent over 150 million at villa and won nothing.

[Salieri]

Okay so the 'story' may have been plucked out of nowhere but we all know how ambitious the Thais are. They clearly rate Sven and have backed him all the way financially but, let's face it, if we aren't up among the leaders within the next 5-10 games, they won't fuck about.

They want promotion THIS SEASON regardless if it means making a tough call.

I sincerely hope Sven succeeds but if he doesn't deliver then he will be out sooner rather than later.

And if that were to happen then for me (if he were to be interested) MON would be the stand out man for the job.