MC Prussian Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 Another Thracian essay. Tony, the article was meant to be a joke.
smudger63 Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 Stop making he referee the excuse. Forest were a poor team on the day and there to be blitzed. We invited them back into the game and West Ham walloped them 4-1 away the following week to demonstrate exactly what we should have done. Yes, the referee played his part but if we'd continued to press the game it need never have happpened. Look at the cross for their second goal. Of course there was a foul on the back post but the ball should never have got there. The winger was given so much time and space to cross the ball it was like a training exercise. I know that a lot of you guys on here ridicule Thracian, and his views, but i usually find he talks a lot of sense.
Jiggers the Fox Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 I can understand the Thai's may become impatient what with the generous investment they've given so far, but if Sven was sacked after 10 gamesthis season i'd be livid.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 He deserves another 8-10, just depending on how well we are performing and where we are in the lague. If after 12 games we are in and around the PO's not far off second place then give him longer. Need to make sure we dont go beyond the point of no return though and still leave ourselves with enough time to come second, minimum.
z-layrex Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 Sven is doing fine, we're not a massive club and we don't have a divine right to win everything.
Collymore Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 I know that a lot of you guys on here ridicule Thracian, and his views, but i usually find he talks a lot of sense.
whitlock Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 I heard this rumour about 2 weeks ago from a member of staff from the club. I have no previous for inside knowledge so posting it would of been pointless. I won't get licked out like bert
Guest Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 Sven's doing fine and his signings have improved our squad. I've no doubt he'd get us up. In any outcome I wouldn't want MON back. His greatest managerial work was here at City, not at Celtic and certainly not at Villa where he spent enough to have expected a Champions League spot. I'm not convinced he could do it here again and I don't want to see that brand of football back in place of what we have. Thracian talks some bollocks doesn't he :-) All I am saying....is give Sven a chance!
renards Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 The owners want sucess / promotion nothing less, if Sven can't deliver in this league (that is still fairly alien to him) as with players he has dropped or moved on he will be replaced, Sven is important as a world name, barking as it seems, have him do his Notts County role for this season + break the bank bringing MON with a silly bonus if (when) promoted and reveiw then. (MON can keep a closer eye on his Leicester rentals then) This would still possibly be less than the difference between the Beckford cost + what we were flashing about, and we would be certain to go up, not that confident at ther moment. Sven pick up at a level he knows best or continue, such is the reward for promotion this would be cheap.
Father Ted Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 Thracian's analysis. I can't believe people mock Thracian when he talks so much sense! Occasionally, his academy players love is a bit too much but he's been proven right with Gradel and Stearman. Unfortunately not so much with Sheehan and Dodds. But I applaud this man
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 As if the Thai's would come out with rubbish like this. The are ulta low-key. If Sven had 5 games to save his job we wouldn't know about it. And why on earth would they let him buy all these players and then sack him... Because it's a results business .
cc_star Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 If we ever get that dirty disgusting little twat at City it will be a sad day for the club... I agree, el hadji diouf is a cvnt ------------------- On to the article, I'd say unless we're amongst it in 5 games it's certainly plausible the owners will be looking elsewhere, there is an international break sometime around then and getting someone else in at the start of it will give them a fortnight to find their feet, just like Sven did when he came in after 10 games
MC Prussian Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 Firing a manager has become the answer to all problems football-related. Or so it seems. If a coach was playing negative football on a constant basis, I'd agree that he was to blame for the downfall. Yet, firing a manager does not imply immediate success upon the completion of the maneuver. For every manager you fire, there's a new one that usually suffers the same ordeal. I think in today's football, where immediate success is craved by the masses (and the mass media in particular, who in turn influence the masses), there needs to be an anti-climax to the sheer entertainment-oriented business, in which waging on the new names in management has become an obsession almost equivalent to the players' merry-go-round in August and January each year. There needs a healthy approach to football and that cannot be by simply giving the boot to people because tabloids say so. There needs to be stability. How and where does it start? By being patient, by being (more than less) truthful and by being committed. The old-timers amongst the posters will probably remember best what the times were before all this hire-and-fire hype started. I bet the average contract lengths of managers prior to the early 1990ies (which coincides with the foundation of the Premier League and the influx of money, money, money through - oh - TV deals most and foremost) was at least one year longer than it is today. Managers had a different relationship with owners who weren't simply in for the quick buck, but directing their club as a much more personal enterprise. Owners who themselves had a passion for the sport, who had two hearts beating for football and who weren't concerned about how the prawn cocktail in the director's box tasted. Patience is a virtue, but in the modern game, most elements - be it fans, owners, managers, players or TV/radio/online pundits - have lost the feel. What surprises me in particular is that the older generation has started to buy into it, leaving common sense behind in the privat closet. You'd think that with an automatically-equipped pessimism, they'd be more concise in their assessments. Yes, this Thai holiday trip can end at one point. Yet I do rejoice the fact that, for once and for now, I can be sitting in the sun, rather than living a life in obscurity, plagued with administration, terrible football with terrible players and the image of a grey mouse that never attempted anything but dwelling in times past. P.S.: Please refrain from quoting or reading bullsh*t yellow press output like the People's or the Mirror's in the future. You'll lead a much more quality life as a result.
Foxybeaver Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 Bullshit complete and utter bullshit. Also O'Neil would never come back at the risk of ruining the memory we have of him at the club
iancognito Posted 4 September 2011 Posted 4 September 2011 Two things 1.) This is The People. Accurate journalism isn't in their best interests, it doesn't sell copies of their s**trag. 2.) This is also the newspaper that employs that giant tw@t Michael Calvin who wrote the er, strange Covscum match report. Employing talented writers isn't their scene either. That is all. PS, if Sven is sacked in 5 games, I wouldn't be shocked either. Money demands results.
ramboacdc Posted 5 September 2011 Posted 5 September 2011 o'neill wouldnt come back. and he deserves to maintain the legend status he created for himself within the club he wouldnt want to tarnish it again. and i dont think he would like how the club is run these days.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 5 September 2011 Posted 5 September 2011 I don't think MON would want to come back
volpeazzurro Posted 5 September 2011 Posted 5 September 2011 I can't believe people mock Thracian when he talks so much sense! Occasionally, his academy players love is a bit too much but he's been proven right with Gradel and Stearman. Unfortunately not so much with Sheehan and Dodds. But I applaud this man I agree with this sentiment as I also believe Thracian, for the most part, talks a lot of sense, usually in a well thought out way with examples to back up his assertions albeit we are all entitled to our opinions. Sven appears a really nice guy but we shouldn't get seduced by his quiet and charismatic image. I think that sometimes its possible because of the sheer desparate wish to succeed, that some people get carried away with this bizarre 'in Sven we trust' mantra. Lets remember, its not just this seasons results we're talking about, its the tame way we finished off last season which was largely due to Svens inept tinkering and poor tactics. With the exception of a couple I would also question whether his signings have been an improvement upon what we already had or just more of the same or similar. The amount of money he has spent has been more than some Premiership clubs have spent and certainly more than most if not all Championship sides, so it would be reasonable, in my opinion, to have expected better performances than we have had regardless of whether we won or not. As for the team gelling argument (which applies to all teams at the start of the season with new players), Svens ignored some of the best performers from pre-season or other early games in order to field his 'new signings' often at the expense of playing individuals out of position. There also sometimes when the players appear to largely not have a clue what they are doing or where they should be playing, apparently lacking a decent brief or organisation. The next 5-10 games for me would be fair to judge Sven's future on. The Thai's have put their money where there mouths are and quite reasonably should expect a better return for their money than what they've had thus far last season and ths. Cheers.
Dicko Posted 5 September 2011 Posted 5 September 2011 Binning off Erikkson would make no sense, especially as the team are clearly improving and he's just spent a fortune bringing in his own players. Too much knee-jerk thinking. The O'Neill link is lazy. He's NEVER coming back here, he has no sentimental feeling for this club (because of the knee-jerk fans) and will sit tight until a big club comes in for him.
@mrtonycox Posted 5 September 2011 Posted 5 September 2011 I would just like to state that 2 seasons ago we finished in the playoffs but lost out on that fateful night.. Since then Sven has spent millions replacing players that he judged not to be good enough with players of similar or less ability in most cases..(not in all cases) Most of those players were good enough, the've all gone downhill since he appeared. Time will tell the outcome of this season and the financial impact upon us.
Simmo86 Posted 5 September 2011 Posted 5 September 2011 I would just like to state that 2 seasons ago we finished in the playoffs but lost out on that fateful night.. Since then Sven has spent millions replacing players that he judged not to be good enough with players of similar or less ability in most cases..(not in all cases) Most of those players were good enough, the've all gone downhill since he appeared. Time will tell the outcome of this season and the financial impact upon us. :banghead: MOMENTUM That is all
l444ry Posted 5 September 2011 Posted 5 September 2011 I can't understand where people get their supreme confidence that O'Neill would not return this time. Firstly, he was reportedly interviewed twice after the Sousa sacking. Therefore he must have had some interest. He might well have made a head over heart judgement and decided not to go anywhere near Mandaric. That obstacle has been moved. He may well have thought the Thai owners were another group of fly by nights. They have shown ambition. That's another obstacle out of the way. This "waiting for a big club" excuse is not valid either. All the "big" clubs look well set, seem to have a fetish about foreign bosses and probably wouldn't trust an autocratic character like O'Neill anyway. And the way he left Villa won't have impressed them either. For what it's worth, if I were one of the Thais and thought for one moment that Martin O'Neill was interested in coming back to City, Sven would be out the door quicker than theWTC7 building came down. O'Neill is ten times the manager Sven is.
Dicko Posted 5 September 2011 Posted 5 September 2011 O'Neill is ten times the manager Sven is. How do you work that out?
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