Head Honcho Posted 5 January 2012 Posted 5 January 2012 A lot of racism in this country is down to ignorance...........I wonder what Diane Abbotts excuse is?
Tuna Posted 5 January 2012 Posted 5 January 2012 can you imagine what would happen if a white tory minister ever tweeted something like that about black people. his career would be over.
dave the caveman Posted 5 January 2012 Posted 5 January 2012 Wow. I never thought i'd live to see the day where I saw a left winger worse than Josh Low, but here we are. Accessory, take a bow son.
SeCrEt FoX Posted 5 January 2012 Posted 5 January 2012 I first heard this on radio 1 about an hour ago, now they played a few clips of people and what they thought about it, now there was a black women who basically said "i dont know what the big deal is, she is entitled to her own views" now if that was a white women or man it would of caused uproar as usual (meaning what Diane Abbotts said) (which to be honest i couldnt give two flying turds what she said or who she is) , she would go mental its just pure ignorance and stupidity. Now ive been called names from races which in reverse would be racist and unacceptable but it does not bother me one bit but it might be enough to piss someone else off. I hate this race card bollox i just wish people would just grow up.But i do think Its like no matter what you say to a white person its not racist because your white. If you get what i mean. Now to a post above, We was made slaves back when the romans invaded .
accessory Posted 5 January 2012 Posted 5 January 2012 can you imagine what would happen if a white tory minister ever tweeted something like that about black people. his career would be over. Like Boris "picaninnies" Johnson you mean? Last I heard he was doing quite well on the Swiss Ski slopes, on yet another holiday funded by London taxpayers..
Thracian Posted 5 January 2012 Posted 5 January 2012 What bullsh!t.. Show me the history of white people being enslaved for centuries, sent to concentration camp or denied basic human rights, If you or anyone else can't deal with black people in positions of power I suggest you fcuk off to a South African white enclave or the US deep south. I'll show you as much sodding history as you like...enough for a library all of your owm. Slavery didn't start or end with whites and even when they were involved, particularly in Africa, it was often blacks who were procuring, selling and transporting the slaves for profit. http://en.wikipedia....tory_of_slavery And let's look at the "non-white" world today in terms of human rights....if you want more (current or otherwise) I'll give you enough to read for the rest of the month. Perhaps you think countries like Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Ruanda, Somalia, etc run themselves. There's no excuse for evil leadership by anyone anywhere and i hope follows serves to help enlighten you because, believe me, it is just a random sample.. http://en.wikipedia....wandan_Genocide http://www.guardian....ell-worst-world http://www.independe...pe-1974578.html http://www.bbc.co.uk...africa-14246764 http://nation.foxnew...slim-stronghold http://www.time.com/...1906000,00.html http://www.time.com/...1906000,00.html Personally it all makes me ashamed, and that includes the concentation camps you mentioned. But at least they've been made to stand as a permanent banner to shame.
Rincewind Posted 5 January 2012 Posted 5 January 2012 Just said she apologized for what she said. nI never heard or saw what she said. Sometimes things are taken out of context like the Jeremy Clarkson comment. Depends which side of the political fence you are as to how you take it.
acooling08 Posted 5 January 2012 Author Posted 5 January 2012 Just said she apologized for what she said. nI never heard or saw what she said. Sometimes things are taken out of context like the Jeremy Clarkson comment. Depends which side of the political fence you are as to how you take it. But Abbott clearly meant and believes what she said. I very much doubt that Jeremy Clarkson really believes that truck drivers drive arouund murdering prostitutes, or that Mexicans sit around all day wearing sombreros.
ithuriel Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 I'm starting to think that "accessory" is actually slang for "penis". Unfortunately after that little tirade you may be right. Defending racism because others have been racist too is clueless.
Guest MattP Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 Like Boris "picaninnies" Johnson you mean? Last I heard he was doing quite well on the Swiss Ski slopes, on yet another holiday funded by London taxpayers.. Translation "Ive lost the argument again so I'll resort a cheap comment on class" You have every single stereotype people associate with the far left Boris made a joke that was taking the piss out of the queen when he used that word, Abbott was slandering a whole race saying they intended to divide ethnic communities for their own gain. If you can't see the difference there is no point in carrying on.
lavrentis Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 I think we should all shake hands and get on with it
Finnegan Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 As a white heterosexual middle class male approaching middle age and therefore top of the f***ing tree whichever way you look at it, I can cheerily post stuff like http://33revolutions...bott-was-right/ while you lot play the victim AGAIN with apparently not even a hint of irony. Keep on truckin' x Tidy article and so glad to not be the only one here with a bit of laid-back common sense. The predictable reactions from the predictable few in this thread only really serve to make the point more poignant. I'm not really passing judgement on Abbott, she does have a history of making silly remarks and does have something of a chip on her shoulder but I also think there's a lot of people out there simply unwilling to take a step back and take a look at where exactly she's coming from and what makes her think that way. Or even what she, really, means. It's easier to just pounce in a fit of self-righteous indignation.
James. Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 Hilarious thread. acooling08 telling Ultra accessory that his post was the most stupid he's read in 5 years is absolutely priceless. And not far from the truth either. Bilo has it spot on.
dave the caveman Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 Tidy article and so glad to not be the only one here with a bit of laid-back common sense. The predictable reactions from the predictable few in this thread only really serve to make the point more poignant. I'm not really passing judgement on Abbott, she does have a history of making silly remarks and does have something of a chip on her shoulder but I also think there's a lot of people out there simply unwilling to take a step back and take a look at where exactly she's coming from and what makes her think that way. Or even what she, really, means. It's easier to just pounce in a fit of self-righteous indignation. Was looking forward to seeing how you would defend this and I'm pleased with what you've come up with. You're too laid back to make a judgement. , brilliant. We should all try and see it from her point of view. Superb. Will you be applying the same lpgoc next time an edl thread comes up? No, thought not. Laughably fickle lefty.
Finnegan Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 You think one woman's twitter comment, taken out of context for the sakes of people wanting to be outraged, implying that those in power split public opinion to prevent a united front is comparable to hundreds of knuckle draggers taking to the streets to ignorantly rant about Islam and cause thousands in damages? That's actually what you're saying? And you're trying to ridicule ME for not being outraged by this? Get a grip.
Babylon Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 That's actually what you're saying? And you're trying to ridicule ME for not being outraged by this? I'm not outraged, just amazed someone in power such as herself would continue to make foot in mouth negative generalisations about whites. Either directly, or indirectly, like the comment about black mothers posted earlier. I'm sure there are more white MP's who believe negative generalisations about blacks, but their brains obviously engage before trotting it out. Talking of racist comments... wonder what she would make of the BBC headline "Blacks go into administration"
Finnegan Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 Nor denying it was a daft comment, was a naive comment or even that she's a bit of a twat. Incidentally neither does that article to an extent. I just hate all of the hysteria over this.
RobHawk Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 What i find really sad is that people get offended by what she said!! Does it have any bearing on my life? - No! Is there any deep rooted scar caused by years of oppression against white british people which affected numerous generations before me? - No! She has an opinion and while i don't agree with what she said that is freedom of speech! I find the argument about if it was the other way round irrelavant! The issues and the history are completely different!! For me the main issue with racism (both ways may add) is that people get too uptight about it all. In a country where the majority of MP's are white men - to have a black women in a position where she can can give a different point of view (right or wrong) is a good thing. Thats not to say racism is good but i think we are far too PC in the country and every tiny molehill is made a mountain! At the end of the day i would be unlikely to vote for her personally but as a white male it isn't me she really represents! Also as i don't live in Hackney it wouldn't matter anyway! I certainly wouldn't get offended!
Babylon Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 Nor denying it was a daft comment, was a naive comment or even that she's a bit of a twat. Incidentally neither does that article to an extent. I just hate all of the hysteria over this. I think perhaps as someone who has previous of with these types of comments, she has probably had her cards marked by some. eg. the west Indian mum comment and the one about blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls being unsuitable as nurses at her local hospital because they had never met a black person before.
Babylon Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 Thats not to say racism is good but i think we are far too PC in the country and every tiny molehill is made a mountain! Again probably a reason her cards have been marked by the press is that she's very quick at doing that when things are reversed.
RobHawk Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 Again probably a reason her cards have been marked by the press is that she's very quick at doing that when things are reversed. True! Like i said before i don't agree with any of her past comments - interestingly though if (and thats a big if) that is the general feeling of the majority of her consituants then technically all should is doing is representing their views - which is what she is paid to do. I don't know whether this is the case or not but they do keep voting her in!! I'd much rather an MP who stood up for there constuency and did what they thought was best for the people they represented than those politicians who follow the party line and have no thought process for themselves!! It does seem more and more politicains are turning into party robots! I don't know enough about Hackney or dianne abbott to comment on whether this is the case or not but an interesting point none the less!
flowwolf Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 This woman is a disgrace to her own race. She comes out with the usual chip on her shoulder attitude that most Black people get slated for. It is a ridiculous assumption as most Black people I know are nothing like this bigot. She only got elected in the first place because she is Black ( in a predominantly Black area ) certainly not for her intellect. I well remember her defense for sending her son to a private school despite being a die hard socialist, She claimed that in state run schools Black children ( Afro Caribbean ) where not treated the same as other children ( presumably White ) and so did not achieve good enough exam results. Of course the fact that Asian children far exceed both black and White children in exam results completely passed her by. One good thing to come out of this is the fact that Black people can be just as racist as white people. Bigotry is not exclusive to any particular race just the human race.
James. Posted 6 January 2012 Posted 6 January 2012 Just want to correct a myth that has cropped up on numerous occasions in this thread regarding the ethnic make up of Hackney. As someone who has lived in or around Hackney for about 7 years something didn't sit right when I heard people saying stuff like "only in Hackney would she get elected" or "it's a majority black area"... I finally got round to doing a bit of research to back up my instinct... below statistics are from 2007. 47.1% White British 2.6% White Irish 11.2% Other White 1.6% White & Black Caribbean 0.8% White & Black African 0.8% White & Asian 1.2% Other Mixed 4.1% Indian 1.4% Pakistani 2.8% Bangladeshi 1.0% Other Asian 9.2% Black Caribbean 10.8% Black African 2.2% Other Black 1.4% Chinese 1.9% Other Sure there are some areas that are predominantly black but they are also huge swathes that are very white middle class. Although I don't have the statistics I'm pretty sure that applies to her particular constituency as well (North Hackney and Stoke Newington) not just the borough as a whole.
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