Guest Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 I think it's clear that our players are not playing up to their ability or we are just not as good as we think we are. Mentally I think we are weak. We are not good enough to make the playoffs this season - and there's no reason to believe that will change next year. Still until it's mathmatically impossible I will continue to hope.
Guest shearfox Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 Those who think we have a strong squad with players who have excelled at other clubs need to seriously re-evaluate the quality of the current squad. We've got far too hung up on the two thrashings we've administered. We put four past Sheff U towards the end of the Levein era too, but that was with a squad which would later need Rob Kelly to keep it up. And I'm confused by the suggestion that these players have excelled elsewhere. Dyer, King, Mills, Danns, St. Ledger, Morgan, Beckford have all won League One promotions, but nothing else. Wellens won Lg.2 and Lg.1 promotion but nothing above that either, while Schmeichel won Lg.2 promotion. Nugent won an FA Cup but scored 0 goals in 15 games that season and has never won a promotion. Peltier, Konchesky, Bamba, Schlupp, Waghorn, Drinkwater, Marshall, Gallagher have - to my mind - never won promotions. Nobody apart from, I believe, Howard has ever won promotion to the Premier. The only major trophy winner is, I think, Nugent. And it's a fairly old squad for such a lack of success, the average age being 26-27. To me, even on paper, that's a good League One squad but a very, very average Championship squad. Isn't that the case with almost all the teams in this league? They are not all full of players who have won promotion from this league or gained trophies at a higher level... Norwich and Swansea managed promotion without having players who had done it and Southampton are looking quite good...
inckley fox Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 Norwich also adopted that as well and you are trying to say that Hoolahan was world quality and a player of the caliber we couldn't attract?, all the teams that have got promoted and are acclimatizing well in the prem were in that style in formation from what I can recollect. I am in agreement that this project with NP will take more than just a season or two to get promoted automatically, but whether the Thais have the patience to wait that long remains to be seen and they may be tempted to go for Neil Warnock type figure. I thought Norwich played a 4-4-2/4-1-2-1-2, to be honest. Newcastle and West Brom, who both acclimatised, played 4-4-2 during their promotion season. To my mind, of those who are still up there after recently being promoted, only Swansea and, of course, QPR (who didn't acclimatise) played that system. I can't remember what Blackpool played, but they got relegated anyway. We, on the other hand, have played 4-5-1 with very little success over the past two seasons. Talking of Swansea, Sousa introduced their 4-5-1 just as he introduced ours to such disastrous effect. I doubt, based on what I've seen this season, that this formation is the answer for us. As regards your final point; what I've been trying to say is that if the board are growing impatient - and impatiency has been responsible for everything that has gone wrong here for the past few seasons - then I don't think the evidence backs up your assertion that Neil Warnock is a guaranteed quick fix.
NewburyFox Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 I said our season was over when Sven was replaced by Pearson. We have no chance at all. If you didn't have over 2,000 posts, I'd put money on you being a Hull fan. You seem to abuse Pearson on every post, and the name, of course.
inckley fox Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 Isn't that the case with almost all the teams in this league? They are not all full of players who have won promotion from this league or gained trophies at a higher level... Norwich and Swansea managed promotion without having players who had done it and Southampton are looking quite good... I think West Ham have more pedigree in that department. So did Newcastle and West Brom when they won their promotions. Norwich and Swansea didn't spend anything like the money we did, either. The point is that when you spend the sort of money we did you expect to get players who, as one poster put it, have 'excelled elsewhere'. Indeed many City fans still think that this is what happened at Leicester. I was responding to this point by observing that these players clearly have not excelled elsewhere.
dannythefox Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 cant wait for the season to finish because I'm sure we will be a lot better next season.
Cropwellfox Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 cant wait for the season to finish because I'm sure we will be a lot better next season. whoever said that pre-season is actually the best time to be a LCFC fan is on the money !
Guest shearfox Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 I think West Ham have more pedigree in that department. So did Newcastle and West Brom when they won their promotions. Norwich and Swansea didn't spend anything like the money we did, either. The point is that when you spend the sort of money we did you expect to get players who, as one poster put it, have 'excelled elsewhere'. Indeed many City fans still think that this is what happened at Leicester. I was responding to this point by observing that these players clearly have not excelled elsewhere. Well I wouldn't say all our players are average, I just think the midfield is where everything is falling apart for us. We haven't bought well in that area and I just hope Drinkwater and Marshell can change that.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 February 2012 Posted 5 February 2012 what a farce this season has turned out to be, we are looking forward to getting 50 plus points so we are safe from relegation Abso fookin lutely mate... Who will be held accountable for our dramatic under performance given the resources at hand.. I guess it was Sven by the owners. I'm a Pearson fan as you probably know.. But he too has had some shocking results to be fair. Barnsley at home possibly the worst one. However, I reckon Nige was left with a generally poor squad. I do hope all this Warnock nonsense IS nonsense..
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 6 February 2012 Posted 6 February 2012 If you didn't have over 2,000 posts, I'd put money on you being a Hull fan. You seem to abuse Pearson on every post, and the name, of course. I don't like him, and I don't rate him. I want to see Leicester in the Premiership, and not floundering as we are under him, eight points adrift of the play offs. Maybe you love him so much, you don't care about where we are in the league.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 6 February 2012 Posted 6 February 2012 Abso fookin lutely mate... Who will be held accountable for our dramatic under performance given the resources at hand.. I guess it was Sven by the owners. I'm a Pearson fan as you probably know.. But he too has had some shocking results to be fair. Barnsley at home possibly the worst one. However, I reckon Nige was left with a generally poor squad. I do hope all this Warnock nonsense IS nonsense.. Me too, i genuinely think i would slit my wrists if that tw*t Warncock became our manager
marbelladave Posted 6 February 2012 Posted 6 February 2012 I have to say that I am finding our current position very hard to take, not because we are losing games, I am used to that but simply the state of our club and the team. There seems to be something deeply wrong with the playing side of the club, rumours persist about divisions in the squad, arguments and devisiveness, NFP is saying next to nothing and there is a siege mentality, not a positive fighting one but a surly, 'there all out to get' us attitude. I fully appreciate that there is no real evidence for the divisions I mention but the rumours persist and are backed up by what we see on the field of play. There is no 'togetherness', little in the way of team spirit and a frustration and annoyance that manifests itself in a poor attitude and constant bitching at the officials. The result is an underachievement that goes against all expectations but the players, in the main seem unconcerned. It is this above all else that gets to me, I can get over losing games if it appears that the players are giving their best but I get little sense of that. For me the playing side of the club needs a massive clearout so that we can rebuild with proper spirit, whether NFP is the man to oversee it remains to be seen, he has done it for us once, hopefully he can do it again......
cc_star Posted 6 February 2012 Posted 6 February 2012 I have to say that I am finding our current position very hard to take, not because we are losing games, I am used to that but simply the state of our club and the team. There seems to be something deeply wrong with the playing side of the club, rumours persist about divisions in the squad, arguments and devisiveness, NFP is saying next to nothing and there is a siege mentality, not a positive fighting one but a surly, 'there all out to get' us attitude. I fully appreciate that there is no real evidence for the divisions I mention but the rumours persist and are backed up by what we see on the field of play. There is no 'togetherness', little in the way of team spirit and a frustration and annoyance that manifests itself in a poor attitude and constant bitching at the officials. The result is an underachievement that goes against all expectations but the players, in the main seem unconcerned. It is this above all else that gets to me, I can get over losing games if it appears that the players are giving their best but I get little sense of that. For me the playing side of the club needs a massive clearout so that we can rebuild with proper spirit, whether NFP is the man to oversee it remains to be seen, he has done it for us once, hopefully he can do it again...... I see this siege mentality that you're on about and like you say not a positive one similar to that which Micky Adams fostered during administration etc Not so sure about divisions, but if there is then I suppose that's what happens when half a team is on up to £40k and the other half which collectively achieved more for the club than those players... isn't Although frustrations & annoyance may not come from divisions, but from collective under-achievement on a piss poor scale and that all these players who believed a dream that we'd be in the Prem next season are now going to be scrapping it out in the champs again.
marbelladave Posted 6 February 2012 Posted 6 February 2012 I see this siege mentality that you're on about and like you say not a positive one similar to that which Micky Adams fostered during administration etc Not so sure about divisions, but if there is then I suppose that's what happens when half a team is on up to £40k and the other half which collectively achieved more for the club than those players... isn't Although frustrations & annoyance may not come from divisions, but from collective under-achievement on a piss poor scale and that all these players who believed a dream that we'd be in the Prem next season are now going to be scrapping it out in the champs again. I have no idea of the dynamics in the dressing room but it is clear from the body language on the pitch and the way that we play that there are some serious tensions within the matchday squad. Somehow we have turned a 'seige mentality' that could be a real positive for us into some kind of sulky resentment characterised by players either pointing and moaning at each other or constantly berating the officials. NFP needs to get a handle on this and sort it out quickly........ Dwelling on these thoughts have giving me the hump, so I am indulging in some vintage Chigaco (white) blues to lift my spirits......
Fox92 Posted 6 February 2012 Posted 6 February 2012 cant wait for the season to finish because I'm sure we will be a lot better next season. We end up saying this every year.
Guy Posted 7 February 2012 Posted 7 February 2012 This desperately disappointing season is more or less a replica of last season when all's told, barring the appalling start we made to last season under Sousa of course - although this season's start wasn't a whole lot better either, all pre season optimism considered! Then just like last season, it's all pretty much false hope as soon as we hit a good run (like last January-February under Sven or just lately in the minor league improvement and the FA Cup run) - but then it all falls apart after an unexpected poor result or two, be it a draw or a defeat - Middlesbro/Brighton of late........ while last season it was at Cardiff. While this season is far from over as far as reaching the play offs are concerned, I still sense an overwhelming sense of deja vu from a year ago!
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 7 February 2012 Posted 7 February 2012 ANOTHER false Dawn! Oh well...next season eh??? Yeah, why isnt it somebody else being false, like Sandra or Beth?
MrSpaM Posted 7 February 2012 Posted 7 February 2012 I've been trying so hard to find a clip of the final scene from the film Cliffhanger but i just can't find it anywhere i give up Heres the text version - "Seasons Over A**hole!'
cc_star Posted 7 February 2012 Posted 7 February 2012 season over...? no where's the belief? Haven't you seen us play 2 or 3 performances of the required level; Derby (h), Brighton (h) & Southampton (a) Vs 26! woeful to sub-average performances
Guy Posted 7 February 2012 Posted 7 February 2012 For me, it's getting to that point in the season where your realistical thoughts begin to overtake your hope, we need to win at least 5 MORE games than the teams above us, and once we do that, we must remain a winning team. Sorry, but I would like to cash in my seat on the optimistic bus, in order to catch the despair and misery train. And Blackpool, their fans which surround me and gloat and their constant match winning 90th minute goals can **** RIGHT OFF For me, it's getting to that point in the season where your realistical thoughts begin to overtake your hope, we need to win at least 5 MORE games than the teams above us, and once we do that, we must remain a winning team. Sorry, but I would like to cash in my seat on the optimistic bus, in order to catch the despair and misery train. And Blackpool, their fans which surround me and gloat and their constant match winning 90th minute goals can **** RIGHT OFF I know I keep banging the drum for this relatively banal observation of the season to date but I can't see us winning five more games than the teams already above us in order to be sitting in the play offs frame at the end of April if we can't even win two league games on the bounce - something which, needless to say, we still haven't managed to do! I don't know if it is or not but that fact must still be a real monkey on the back of the whole team and management alike!
StanSP Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 9 points behind play-offs. 45 points left to play for. Someone explain to me how that defines a season as 'over'. Yes, I can comprehend our inability to win 2 games in a row. Those who say our season is over just lack hope. It's not mathematically impossible to get to the play-offs so therefore our season is NOT OVER. In the grand scheme of things, 9 points is a small amount. Our season isn't over by any means. It's just got a bit more difficult after tonight to resurrect it. It's still possible.
MrFox781 Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 Whatever happens i will not be renewing my season ticket. had enough.
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