z-layrex Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 Sure, Celtic may have 'potential' as a decent side in the English leagues, but under what circumstances would that switch be made? Would they just be plonked straight into the Premier League (how is that fair?), would they have to work their way up from the Isthmian Leagues (how would that attract the fans and investment for the 'massive potential' to come to fruition within 'a few seasons'?) Where would the demise of Rangers and Celtic jumping ship leave Scottish football? Scottish football is pathetic anyway, with or without those two clubs.
jonlcfc1990 Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 I think the FA have left Scotland to rot in my opinion do we care about the Welsh league or the repercussions of taking Cardiff and Swansea out of it? No so why not bring in Rangers and Celtic and let the rest of the Scottish league get on with it. We all knew this was on the cards no more are the days of a strong old Firm and it's more infirm than ever. If Rangers go under it spells the end of Scottish football Celtic fans can kid themselves all they want but the new old firm between Partick thistle and Celtic isn't going to get the blood racing and it won't get the sponsors blood racing either. It's a true shame for the fans of Rangers and Portsmouth included at the end of the day it's always the supporters who feel the real pain of this.
MrSpaM Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 I think the FA have left Scotland to rot in my opinion do we care about the Welsh league or the repercussions of taking Cardiff and Swansea out of it? No so why not bring in Rangers and Celtic and let the rest of the Scottish league get on with it. We all knew this was on the cards no more are the days of a strong old Firm and it's more infirm than ever. If Rangers go under it spells the end of Scottish football Celtic fans can kid themselves all they want but the new old firm between Partick thistle and Celtic isn't going to get the blood racing and it won't get the sponsors blood racing either. It's a true shame for the fans of Rangers and Portsmouth included at the end of the day it's always the supporters who feel the real pain of this. We didnt take Swansea and Cardiff from the welsh league, they were part of the english league when it first started. They were given the offer of joining the Welsh league when it was started up but both declined in favour of staying in the English league.
davieG Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 I think the FA have left Scotland to rot in my opinion do we care about the Welsh league or the repercussions of taking Cardiff and Swansea out of it? No so why not bring in Rangers and Celtic and let the rest of the Scottish league get on with it. We all knew this was on the cards no more are the days of a strong old Firm and it's more infirm than ever. If Rangers go under it spells the end of Scottish football Celtic fans can kid themselves all they want but the new old firm between Partick thistle and Celtic isn't going to get the blood racing and it won't get the sponsors blood racing either. It's a true shame for the fans of Rangers and Portsmouth included at the end of the day it's always the supporters who feel the real pain of this. Yes, the FA don't care about the French, Danish or Norwegian Leagues lets invite their top clubs, the FA is the English Football Association the Scots have their own SFA it's not the responsibility of the FA to look after the Scottish leagues they're hardly capable/strong enough to look after the PL / FL. Rangers wont go under anymore than the bigger/medium sized clubs in England do.
z-layrex Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 We didnt take Swansea and Cardiff from the welsh league, they were part of the english league when it first started. They were given the offer of joining the Welsh league when it first started but both declined. Interesting, didn't know that.
davieG Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 Wiki They worked their way up via the Southern League Early years Cardiff City was formed in 1899 as a way of keeping players from the Riverside Cricket Club together and in shape during the winter months. Their first season saw them playing friendlies against local sides at their Sophia Gardens ground, but in 1900 they joined the Cardiff & District League for their first competitive season. In 1905 Cardiff was granted city status by King Edward VII, and as a result the club put in a request to change their name to Cardiff City, but the request was turned down as they were deemed to be not playing at a high enough level. To combat this they arranged to join the South Wales Amateur League in 1907 and the following year they were granted permission to change the name of the club to Cardiff City. Interest in the club began to rise during this time, but they were forced to turn down the opportunity to join the newly formed Southern League Second Division due to the lack of facilities at their Sophia Gardens ground. Over the next two years Cardiff welcomed many of Britain's top sides to Cardiff, including Middlesbrough, Bristol City and Crystal Palace, with the matches being played at various grounds in Cardiff and nearby towns. The club would eventually move into their new ground, Ninian Park, in 1910. The club made its first signing the following year with the acquisition of Jack Evans from fellow Welsh club Cwmparc FC. With the new ground in place, Cardiff joined the Southern League Second Division, and Bartley Wilson was quick to hire the club's first manager in Davy McDougall, who became player-manager. Their first match was a 2–1 defeat to Aston Villa, in which new signedd Evans scored the only Cardiff goal. They went on to finish in an impressive fourth place in their first year in the league. They stayed in the division for the next decade, apart from when the league was suspended due to the outbreak of World War I.[2] [edit]1920s "glories" Cardiff are one of a handful of Welsh sides to play in the English football league system, rather than the Welsh system. The other teams are Swansea City, Wrexham, Newport County,Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare Athletic. Their most successful period so far was the 1920s in which they finished runners-up to Huddersfield Town in 1924 in the old Football League First Division on Goal Average,[3] followed by two FA Cup Finals in 1925 against Sheffield United[3] and 1927 against Arsenal.[3] The Final against Arsenal saw Cardiff become the only team to have taken the FA Cup out of England with a 1–0 victory over Arsenal.[3] The final was also notable as it was the first to be broadcast to the nation by BBC Radio. Cardiff City and Swansea City are the only Welsh football clubs to have played at the highest level of English football. The last season they spent in the First Division was 1962. Cardiff ended the 1914–15 season third in the Southern League table, before league football was suspended during the First World War. On the cessation of hostilities, Cardiff spent one final season in the Southern League, finishing fourth, before being invited to join the Football League Second Division as the strongest team in Wales, with the remaining Southern League clubs forming the new Football League Third Division.
purpleronnie Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 No idea. Not saying it'll ever happen or that it should happen. But people going on about how they'd never stand a chance in the Premiership really, really grind my gears. Me too, and you know the reason why they say it? They can't admit to themselves that a scottish team could do well, its not based on logic so that opinion becomes meaningless.
jonlcfc1990 Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 Wiki They worked their way up via the Southern League Early years Cardiff City was formed in 1899 as a way of keeping players from the Riverside Cricket Club together and in shape during the winter months. Their first season saw them playing friendlies against local sides at their Sophia Gardens ground, but in 1900 they joined the Cardiff & District League for their first competitive season. In 1905 Cardiff was granted city status by King Edward VII, and as a result the club put in a request to change their name to Cardiff City, but the request was turned down as they were deemed to be not playing at a high enough level. To combat this they arranged to join the South Wales Amateur League in 1907 and the following year they were granted permission to change the name of the club to Cardiff City. Interest in the club began to rise during this time, but they were forced to turn down the opportunity to join the newly formed Southern League Second Division due to the lack of facilities at their Sophia Gardens ground. Over the next two years Cardiff welcomed many of Britain's top sides to Cardiff, including Middlesbrough, Bristol City and Crystal Palace, with the matches being played at various grounds in Cardiff and nearby towns. The club would eventually move into their new ground, Ninian Park, in 1910. The club made its first signing the following year with the acquisition of Jack Evans from fellow Welsh club Cwmparc FC. With the new ground in place, Cardiff joined the Southern League Second Division, and Bartley Wilson was quick to hire the club's first manager in Davy McDougall, who became player-manager. Their first match was a 2–1 defeat to Aston Villa, in which new signedd Evans scored the only Cardiff goal. They went on to finish in an impressive fourth place in their first year in the league. They stayed in the division for the next decade, apart from when the league was suspended due to the outbreak of World War I.[2] [edit]1920s "glories" Cardiff are one of a handful of Welsh sides to play in the English football league system, rather than the Welsh system. The other teams are Swansea City, Wrexham, Newport County,Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare Athletic. Their most successful period so far was the 1920s in which they finished runners-up to Huddersfield Town in 1924 in the old Football League First Division on Goal Average,[3] followed by two FA Cup Finals in 1925 against Sheffield United[3] and 1927 against Arsenal.[3] The Final against Arsenal saw Cardiff become the only team to have taken the FA Cup out of England with a 1–0 victory over Arsenal.[3] The final was also notable as it was the first to be broadcast to the nation by BBC Radio. Cardiff City and Swansea City are the only Welsh football clubs to have played at the highest level of English football. The last season they spent in the First Division was 1962. Cardiff ended the 1914–15 season third in the Southern League table, before league football was suspended during the First World War. On the cessation of hostilities, Cardiff spent one final season in the Southern League, finishing fourth, before being invited to join the Football League Second Division as the strongest team in Wales, with the remaining Southern League clubs forming the new Football League Third Division. Rangers and Celtic should do the same or should at least be allowed to
davieG Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 Rangers and Celtic should do the same or should at least be allowed to Why?
purpleronnie Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 I cant see how they would accommodate 1000's upon 1000's of fans desending on these lower level clubs, the police bill alone would cripple them. As stated before a european leaguie is much more likely than the OF coming to the english league. Plus if the OF do it wont that they open the gates for other scottish clubs, hibs, hearts, etc etc... Even more likely than the european league is that it will all go back to normal pretty quickly with the OF dominating scottish football for years, and maybe hoping for some dubai billionaire comes along to splash the cash and compete in europe. Theres always huge speculation when things like this happen but huge change is rare.
Corky Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 Rangers and Celtic should do the same or should at least be allowed to Why just Rangers and Celtic?
jonlcfc1990 Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 Why just Rangers and Celtic? Good question why Cardiff and Swansea? there are a lot of other clubs closer to England and have a fan base etc But it's for the same reason Cardiff and Swansea are "big clubs" In a small country just like Rangers and Celtic
Jagdinho Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk...w-west-17026172 bad times. Why the hell does ANYONE want Celtic in the English Premier League? Although, Plymouth V Celtic in the League cup would be a very long journey.
EnderbyFox Posted 14 February 2012 Author Posted 14 February 2012 Should be in administration by later on this afternoon according to SSN. Automatic 10 point deduction
Happy Fox Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 Looks like HMRC want this wrapped up by 3.30pm.
Happy Fox Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 Administration now I reckon they will go under in the near future.
Jon the Hat Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 We didnt take Swansea and Cardiff from the welsh league, they were part of the english league when it first started. They were given the offer of joining the Welsh league when it was started up but both declined in favour of staying in the English league. This is because Wales is not actually a country, and is therefore much less important than Scotland. This is one of the any great things implemented by Maggie Thatcher. Even Cardiff and Swansea don't think Wales is a country...
Happy Fox Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 Graham Spiers @GrahamSpiers Reply Retweet Favorite · Open Administration has been a certainty at Rangers for months. But not liquidation. Now, though, I believe a 50%-plus chance RFC will go under.
acooling08 Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 This is because Wales is not actually a country, and is therefore much less important than Scotland. This is one of the any great things implemented by Maggie Thatcher. Even Cardiff and Swansea don't think Wales is a country... Say Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? If Rangers get a 10 point deduction, it's basically handing the title to Celtic. Just when you thought Scottish football couldn't be worse.
Finnegan Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 This is because Wales is not actually a country, and is therefore much less important than Scotland. This is one of the any great things implemented by Maggie Thatcher. Even Cardiff and Swansea don't think Wales is a country... Okay, I'm not biting for one THAT obvious.
Guest Bilo Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 Let's be clear about this, if Celtic were allowed to enter the English league system they would sell out ANY allocation thrown at them. This is from a pre-season friendly with us in 2005 where they took the entire Family Stand. Their fanbase is something else and it's that potential that would see them become a force if they came down here. Never happen mind.
21st Century Fox Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 Stocks in Mars would go through the roof as English clubs rush to supply the new Scottish away supporters with deep fried Mars Bars.
Finnegan Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 The SPL just got even more boring. And, ironically, you managed to top it with a massively predictable post about something you allegedly don't care about. ... for the ten millionth time...
Matt Posted 14 February 2012 Posted 14 February 2012 And, ironically, you managed to top it with a massively predictable post about something you allegedly don't care about. ... for the ten millionth time... The reason I don't care for it? It was boring before, I have simply stated the fact it has become even more boring now. Problem?
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