Roy Hodgson

[Daggers]

You've got your timings wrong and your confusing good players for "super stars"

Zannetti and Carlos were young and played their first seasons at a big club under Hodgson and were virtually unknown iuntil that season. Ince might have been a big name to me and you but in Italy was nothing compared to some of the personalities at Liverpool during Hodgsons reign, not to mention he was th only English player in the squad playing under an English manager, not going to be hard to manage is he. Winter and Djorkiaff were decent players that they were are not super stars at all, Youri for one had never played outside of France until his first season with Inter. Zamorano I'll give you, although even he was never as renound as players with half his talent and didn't really carry a attitude.

Totally different kettle of Fish to dealing with Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney, Cole, amongst others etc who will not respect someone they deem unworthy to manage them.

I'd say that Ince was most definitely a superstar, and joined them during his peak as a player.

And many English managers here seem to have a great deal of problems managing English players.

[ScouseFox]

What "superstars" did Hodgson fail to manage at Liverpool?

[Manwell Pablo]

A lot being made of Roy's ability to handle "big name" players but most of the names I see mentioned are part of the old guard which surely we want to move away from anyway.

Don't see why Terry, Lampard or Gerard should be in the starting line up. Cole fair enough but is he really likely to cause problems? And Rooney is Rooney, not entirely sure anyone apart from Ferguson can ever have full respect from him.

Just don't see it as a big issue.

Your bannans if you don't think John Terry should start. Blokes a moron but he's still a world class centre back.

Gerrard and Lampard will travel and they'll end up with more playing time than they should for the sole reason that Woy will crumble and play them as they are senior players, here lies the problem, it doesn't help that he loves Stevie G and Frank has had an upturn in form since he helped bully Villas Boas out of Stamford Bridge.

[Manwell Pablo]

We were talking Big Names not Super Stars. Inter had a distinct lack of any Super Stars until Ronaldo turned up the season after Roy left, but most of these players were brought in with a level of expectation. There were certainly some combustible personalities.

Judging Roy's career on his time at Liverpool that was an absolute train wreck off the pitch let alone on it, seems extremely unfair.

If Hodgson decided to drop Terry, Lampard, Gerrard etc, and decided to do what Germany did before and used this tournament as a way to blood some of the younger players with an eye on Brazil 2014, I doubt most actual football fans would have a problem with that, it'd be the media and the casual onlooking 'fan' that would create an uproar. None of those players have really proved their worth on the international stage anyway.

The point still stands, the players you named two of which will have qualified as big names at that moment in time and even then as I said the attitudes were not there.

Bar Terry I'd have no problem with it either. This is the point though, he will pick them, Roy will put a squad together that he will struggle to control, Capello struggled in the summer of 2010 FFS he is a much much stronger personality than Hodgson.

Dave I was alive in 1995 thanks mate, as said, I admit over here household name, if you think they cared about a tough tacking midfielder who had won a at the time struggling Premier League twice and played for a country that failed to qualify for the last world cup, you are wrong. He was no Italian super star when he went and despite doing alright isn't remembered for pulling up any trees. Much like the man who managed him.

Liverpool players - for a start off you've got Gerrard and Carragher who think they own the club, Joe Cole, Maxi Rodriguez, Suarez who is both arrogant and eratic and Andy Carrol who has just become the most expensive English player of all time, match that with his sparkling personality and you've got a problem. Not easy to manage, and he didn't do a good job.

[21st Century Fox]

The point still stands, the players you named two of which will have qualified as big names at that moment in time and even then as I said the attitudes were not there.

Bar Terry I'd have no problem with it either. This is the point though, he will pick them, Roy will put a squad together that he will struggle to control, Capello struggled in the summer of 2010 FFS he is a much much stronger personality than Hodgson.

Dave I was alive in 1995 thanks mate, as said, over here I admit over here household name, if you think they cared about a tough tacking midfielder who had won a at the time struggling Premier League twice and played for a country that failed to qualify for the last world cup, you are wrong. He was no Italian super start when he went and despite doing alright isn't remembered for pulling up any trees. Much like the man who managed him.

Liverpool players - for a start off you've got Gerrard and Carragher who think they own the club, Joe Cole, Maxi Rodriguez, Suarez who is both arrogant and eratic and Andy Carrol who has just become the most expensive English player of all time, match that with his sparkling personality and you've got a problem. Not easy to manage, and he didn't do a good job.

Suarez and Carroll were Dalglish signings.

[AyewJoking]

Load of crap, it's man management, use of reverse pyschology, intimidation, ego feeding, whatever works to get that player on side and playing for the team. Like any kind of management really getting you staff to do what you want when you want and how you want is a skill, and if none of that works then yes as you say cut them lose and replace them, if it doesn't work with a lot of your staff then managers the problem not the staff. Ala Roy at Liverpool which is why he was sacked.

If a player thought he was bigger than the team why would you want to "man manage" and turn the situation around. Maybe if its at a club where said player may be on a long term contract which means you will still be paying him regardless. In this case it would be worth pandering to him and change his attitude.

However this is the England job we're talking about and Hodgson wont see and work with the players every day. Not to mention the fact that if a player ever behaved too badly you could just not select him and that would be the end of it.

Its not a Tevez situation where he literally walked out on the club knowing he'd still pocket a fortune every week. If someone had come up with the money Mancini would have sold him but no one came in and instead he waited it out, didnt pander and it was Tevez who came crawling back.

In short, the only man managment at international level is motivation which still isnt entirely down to the manager. If you cant motivate yourself to represent your country then its a lost cause, ala South Africa 2010.

[Manwell Pablo]

Suarez and Carroll were Dalglish signings.

Yeah they were weren't they, sorry trying to aruge about 5 different points at once.

[accessory]

Dalglish was part of Liverpool's appointment panel that chose Hodgson, only to knife him in the back within months. At the same time, the club was going though a particularly acrimonious change of ownership.

No manager, even Guardiola or Mourinho, could have kept the dressing room in those circumstances, though a home League Cup defeat by Northampton (!), didn't exactly help either.

[Manwell Pablo]

If a player thought he was bigger than the team why would you want to "man manage" and turn the situation around. Maybe if its at a club where said player may be on a long term contract which means you will still be paying him regardless. In this case it would be worth pandering to him and change his attitude.

However this is the England job we're talking about and Hodgson wont see and work with the players every day. Not to mention the fact that if a player ever behaved too badly you could just not select him and that would be the end of it.

Its not a Tevez situation where he literally walked out on the club knowing he'd still pocket a fortune every week. If someone had come up with the money Mancini would have sold him but no one came in and instead he waited it out, didnt pander and it was Tevez who came crawling back.

In short, the only man managment at international level is motivation which still isnt entirely down to the manager. If you cant motivate yourself to represent your country then its a lost cause, ala South Africa 2010.

In theory

In Practice it doesn't work like that does it, look at how and why Capello left, not to mention John Terry openly having a dig at him in the press during 2010 and still being started in the next game.

[AyewJoking]

Different opinions.

We'll have to wait and see but I think the only players who will fall out with Hodgson are the ones who's noses are put out of joint by being dropped.

[Manwell Pablo]

Different opinions.

We'll have to wait and see but I think the only players who will fall out with Hodgson are the ones who's noses are put out of joint by being dropped.

Love to agree with you but anyone would have a job doing well at the Euro's the media aren't helping already (shock)

think the FA expect medicority over the next few years no matter who is in charge and thus have decided they don't want another manager who is going to cost them the earth and thus have settled for Hodgson. Whp seasoned internationals just wont respect. But we'll see.

[accessory]

"Seasoned internationals" = serial failures who have achieved the square root of jack in international tournaments. Supercharged versions of Richie Wellens.

I can't think of anyone who'd be greatly missed if Hodgson's appointment forced them to quit England - apart, perhaps for Joe Hart.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Has experience of keeping the little boys competitive with the big boys.

Should fit into the England role perfectly.

[21st Century Fox]

He's more a coach than a manager, he's had better successes with teams where he's worked with what he's got instead of wheeling and dealing.

[Corky]

"Seasoned internationals" = serial failures who have achieved the square root of jack in international tournaments. Supercharged versions of Richie Wellens.

I can't think of anyone who'd be greatly missed if Hodgson's appointment forced them to quit England - apart, perhaps for Joe Hart.

I think we'd miss Ashley Cole.

[Manwell Pablo]

"Seasoned internationals" = serial failures who have achieved the square root of jack in international tournaments. Supercharged versions of Richie Wellens.

I can't think of anyone who'd be greatly missed if Hodgson's appointment forced them to quit England - apart, perhaps for Joe Hart.

Hahahaha, at least their famous for more than having their trouser fall down in front of a class of young children eh?

[_Fatboyslow_]

No manager, even Guardiola or Mourinho, could have kept the dressing room in those circumstances, though a home League Cup defeat by Northampton (!), didn't exactly help

either.

WHAT A LOAD OF COBBLERS

[acooling08]

Why can't I support Leicester?

Don't have to support England aswell, a lot of people prefer club over country and im one of them.

Loads of people think England are rubbish, and im one of them.

You said 'because we are rubbish' I'll be supporting Holland.

Leicester are rubbish so why do you stick with them?

[leicesterlad1989]

I was born in England, therefore I am English, so I support England. Perhaps it me, I'm a realist who knows we aren't likely to win the next world cup,

or even the euros for that matter but I am just addicted to football. Lets face it Leicester have pretty much let us down for the last 10 years, but we wouldn't

stop supporting them, so I shall never turn my back on my country.

[eaststandtom]

According to The Sun Newspaper i must be the only person who is not bothered that Harry Redknapp didn't get the England job. The Sun appears outraged that the F.A. favoured Roy Hodgson instead and have already made their stance clearly mocking Roy claiming people do not know who he is in Germany and also making 'light' of his speech impediment. This is nothing less than a disgrace. Making fun of a person for something like that is below the belt regardless of who they are. It is irrelevant and should be stopped. As for people in Germany being unaware who he is, who cares! Do I know the name of every top flight Bundesliga manager? I couldn't name you one. I know the name of the German national coach but guess what? I hadn't heard of him before he got the job.

However, I am pleased the F.A. have decided to choose an Englishman again for the job again but lets be fair they have narrowed down their options. we all want ideally an Englishman to manage the English national team but the F.A. neutered this ideal when they appointed Sven Goran Eriksson over 10 years ago. Nontheless, the return of this tradition has brought Roy Hodgson to the fore and out of the candidates available quite justifiably to. Hodgson has managed abroad in various countries successfully managing Switzerland and various other club sides in numerous countries. As for the England, Hodgson had a blip at Blackburn and at Liverpool but that has encompassed a mere 18 months of management tim since the end of the 90's. He has saved Fulham from virtual relegation, took them to the top half of the Premiership and took them to a UEFA cup final. Fulham!!! He has also done fantastically well with West Brom managing a team of players such as Gareth McAuley, who have played in the lower divisions all their careers, can cut their teeth in the Premiership. I would say a manager is worth ten times as much as someone who can manage the players at his disposal rather than spending millions on players with a blank chequebook. For these reasons, Roy clearly demonstrates a C.V. that would favour Harry Redknapp. Quite simply the press favour Redknapp because he is the more fashionable choice and he is 'one of the boys'. Roy is well spoken and mild mannered and kind of old school. The irony is, I would've welcomed Harry Redknapp but if we go on the facts, ie, who is the most qualified, Hodgson is the obvious choice.

[welck12]

The Sun producing a crap biased story? I dont believe you

[HEGGSY]

The Sun. What a load of shit, ever since Roy got the job, they've been taking digs at him. First with the shitty jokes, then articles about how he is the wrong choice, then when I went to my local shop today, I read the back page and they have included snide remarks about how the Germans don't know who Hodgson is. Who the fvck cares? Give the bloke a fair chance.

I fvcking hate The Sun.

[Corky]

Redknapp is a columnist in the Sun. The media has a heavy West Ham support within it. Tottenham are also very popular with the press. Redknapp is media-friendly.

[Vacamion]

I think we'd miss Ashley Cole.

Nah - Leighton Baines is a quality player and, whilst I don't have much evidence to go on, he seems to be much less of an arsehole than Cole:

EVERTON FC left back Leighton Baines said he was thrilled to be named in the PFA Premier League team of the year – even if he insists he does not deserve the honour.

The 27-year-old was voted as the top flight’s best left-back by his fellow professionals, when then team was revealed at the PFA Awards dinner at the Grosvenor Hotel in London on Sunday.

Baines, who is currently out with a hamstring injury and missed Everton’s 4-4 draw with Manchester United at Old Trafford, was given the nod ahead of players like Ashley Cole, Patrice Evra and Gael Clichy.

Edit - I should add that it has been reported that he will be fit for the Euros, despite the Hammy

[Webbo]

Ashley Cole is one of our only world class players and certainly the most consistent.