Tielemans63 Posted 25 June 2012 Posted 25 June 2012 Just going to throw this one in there, what the heck...... Why not call up Mikel Arteta? He's eligible for England, is 28 years old and in his prime, has great technique and can bring some flair to the side. I know there's a fairly obvious debate about true nationality here. But, just look at the Germans - they've gone to the extreme of recruiting 'foreign' players from an early age - why shouldn't we? The Arteta suggestion is only semi serious - but I am very interested to see what others think.
Jaspa Posted 25 June 2012 Posted 25 June 2012 Just going to throw this one in there, what the heck...... Why not call up Mikel Arteta? He's eligible for England, is 28 years old and in his prime, has great technique and can bring some flair to the side. I know there's a fairly obvious debate about true nationality here. But, just look at the Germans - they've gone to the extreme of recruiting 'foreign' players from an early age - why shouldn't we? The Arteta suggestion is only semi serious - but I am very interested to see what others think. Like I always have to say on FM11 If hes good enough, it would be stupid not to have a look Why not ?
leicesterisme Posted 25 June 2012 Posted 25 June 2012 Just going to throw this one in there, what the heck...... Why not call up Mikel Arteta? He's eligible for England, is 28 years old and in his prime, has great technique and can bring some flair to the side. I know there's a fairly obvious debate about true nationality here. But, just look at the Germans - they've gone to the extreme of recruiting 'foreign' players from an early age - why shouldn't we? The Arteta suggestion is only semi serious - but I am very interested to see what others think. Is that really his age? wow I thought he was in his 30's. We could do far worse than him, dont think it will ever happen and I dont think I'd be too happy about a player who has no actual connection to the national side other than playing in that country for a number of years.
Tielemans63 Posted 25 June 2012 Posted 25 June 2012 I dont think I'd be too happy about a player who has no actual connection to the national side other than playing in that country for a number of years. I thought that but then you soon forget that they're foreigners. I don't think Owen Hargreaves had even set foot on English soil before he played for England but that was soon forgotten. Also, rightly or wrongly the England rugby team have done it successfully for years. The irony is that Hargreaves was the best player we've had for keeping possession in many years and he learnt his trade at Bayern Munich, untainted by English football!
Tielemans63 Posted 25 June 2012 Posted 25 June 2012 Leicesterisme - you're absolutely right, he is 30. I was looking at some er....dated info shall we say.
shen Posted 25 June 2012 Posted 25 June 2012 Just going to throw this one in there, what the heck...... Why not call up Mikel Arteta? He's eligible for England, is 28 years old and in his prime, has great technique and can bring some flair to the side. I know there's a fairly obvious debate about true nationality here. But, just look at the Germans - they've gone to the extreme of recruiting 'foreign' players from an early age - why shouldn't we? The Arteta suggestion is only semi serious - but I am very interested to see what others think. Is that so? It's been covered in many other threads now, but stop proliferating myths like these. On topic, I don't really see how England can do much better than they just have done with current or near-future players. Wilshere is the most interesting prospect in my view, but his injuries are a very serious concern. In the immediate future, I'd say something needs to change on the tactical and mental side of things first and foremost. I don't think Hodgson is the way forward here, unfortunately...
Tielemans63 Posted 26 June 2012 Posted 26 June 2012 Is that so? It's been covered in many other threads now, but stop proliferating myths like these. To be honest, I didn't make myself very clear at all there. I think all of those players were born in Germany which is why I put 'foreign' in inverted commas. The point I was trying to make was that they were all eligible to play for other nations but the German FA made sure that didn't happen by recruiting them and putting them in their youth set-up from an early age - I wish our FA had that kind of foresight. My overall point is that the German football team has benefitted massively from multiculturalism in Germany. England has been a multicultural society for even longer yet very few players from ethnic backgrounds have gone on to represent England. I'm convinced there are kids of Asian or Polish background who are good enough, we just have to be able to identify them. That was the point I failed miserably to make.
ScouseFox Posted 26 June 2012 Posted 26 June 2012 Sure I read somewhere that Arteta didn't want to play for England because he's not English. I know I wouldn't. Just because he's not good enough to play for his own national team doesn't necessarily mean he'd want to lose all ties with his nationality and become English for a few games of football.
shen Posted 26 June 2012 Posted 26 June 2012 To be honest, I didn't make myself very clear at all there. I think all of those players were born in Germany which is why I put 'foreign' in inverted commas. The point I was trying to make was that they were all eligible to play for other nations but the German FA made sure that didn't happen by recruiting them and putting them in their youth set-up from an early age - I wish our FA had that kind of foresight. My overall point is that the German football team has benefitted massively from multiculturalism in Germany. England has been a multicultural society for even longer yet very few players from ethnic backgrounds have gone on to represent England. I'm convinced there are kids of Asian or Polish background who are good enough, we just have to be able to identify them. That was the point I failed miserably to make. Well the rules state that you can play for national youth sides and not be bound to that national side until you make a senior appearance (like Hargreaves for example). So I'm not sure what you mean by 'recruiting' at a young age. We're not likely to know whether the German players in question opted for Germany because they feel German and want to represent their country, or whether they're more cynical and see it as a better chance to win international trophies (hence boosting their careers etc.) Besides, England has benefitted. I'm pretty sure that 'ethnic' Englishmen are quite pale in their skin (trying to come across as PC here). The number of black players with roots to African/American/Pacific regions that have played for England suggests to me that they've benefitted from multiculturalism for quite some time too.
Manwell Pablo Posted 26 June 2012 Posted 26 June 2012 Arteta isn't actually eligbile for England, despite what a lot of people think the rules aren't as cut an dry as spending five years in a country, he didn't have a British Passport when he represented Spanish youth teams, I'm not even sure he has one now. On top of that I'm pretty sure he has ruled it out and hasn't given up on Spain (no chance) EDIT: Before people throw Germanys umpteen foreigners at me, they all meet FIFA regulations, majority were actually born in Germany I think.
whoareyaaa Posted 26 June 2012 Posted 26 June 2012 Hart Richards Lescott Terry Cole Ox Parker Gerrard Johnson Rooney Wellbeck Subs who would take part or could be considered: Walcott, Wilshere, Sturridge(if he decides not be be greedy), Carrol, Cahill
GianEmmo Zola Posted 26 June 2012 Posted 26 June 2012 Hart Walker terry lescott cole Gerrard parker wilshere Walcott Welbeck oxlade
AyewJoking Posted 27 June 2012 Posted 27 June 2012 Arteta playing for England would piss on the proud history of English greats like Batty, Barton and Ripley.
Captain... Posted 27 June 2012 Posted 27 June 2012 We either have to build a team around Rooney or not, look at the way he plays for United, he plays in a flexible dynamic front 3 and has license to roam and influence the play, with players like Young, Rooney, Welbeck, who play like that for united, and Walcott and Ox who play in a similar way for Arsenal we should have the players to replicate that. They also get a lot of support from the midfield when going forwards, so we need a Barry/Jones/Parker sitting then Gerrard/Wilshire joining the attack maybe get Milner sitting in a more central role. The back 4 is the least of our worries, but I would call time on Terry's career, Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka, Jones, Richards can all fight it out for centre back, Johnson and Cole/Baines are more than good enough on the flanks. Personnel are not our problem, we need to sort out a formation that is not predictable and negative, Rooney wasn't at his best but against Italy he, like Young and the other forwards were crowded out every time they got the ball because they didn't have the support. Then we have plan B, Andy Carroll, traditional 442 wingers wiping crosses in, big man to hold it up and feed the other players.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 27 June 2012 Posted 27 June 2012 The situation isn't as dire as a tonne would have us think. We've got tonnes of talented youngsters coming through* - it's whether or not they'll actually see any playing time and get the correct coaching over the next few years that'll make or break them (and us). *Welbeck, McEachran, Wilshere, Rodwell, Cleverley, Kelly, Flanagan, Jones, Smalling, Henderson, Chamberlain, Walcott, Sterling, Shelvey, Lansbury, Carroll....
Super_horns Posted 27 June 2012 Posted 27 June 2012 The situation isn't as dire as a tonne would have us think. We've got tonnes of talented youngsters coming through* - it's whether or not they'll actually see any playing time and get the correct coaching over the next few years that'll make or break them (and us). *Welbeck, McEachran, Wilshere, Rodwell, Cleverley, Kelly, Flanagan, Jones, Smalling, Henderson, Chamberlain, Walcott, Sterling, Shelvey, Lansbury, Carroll.... Just depends how much playing time they get with the big clubs who might prefer to go out and spend millions on a proven overseas player.
foxfanazer Posted 27 June 2012 Posted 27 June 2012 Hart, terry/Cahill, lescott, cole, walker, Ox, Wilshire, Lampard/Gerrard, Walcott, wellbeck, Sturridge
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 27 June 2012 Posted 27 June 2012 Just depends how much playing time they get with the big clubs who might prefer to go out and spend millions on a proven overseas player. Er, yeah. I know. That's what I said.
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