Vlad the Fox Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 I rang my scrubber cousin who lives in Linc and he said there has defo been a fist fight in Wetherspoons this dinner time. That's their in house entertainment. Happens in wetherspoons up and down the country every saturday afternoon.
Kitchandro Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 Well most at the top of the stand are. Didn't say the whole of L1, my friends had a season ticket at the bottom of it and they were alright. But majority of these fans probably are from the top of L1 or just don't go to Leicester matches at all. So they're either the ones who go to all the home games or the ones who go to none at all? Explain that one to me? I don't know why there's a debate about whether they are Leicester fans or not, I've been to no end of games where I've thought some of the people around me were complete twats. Society is full of nobheads, that includes a lot of commited and loyal City fans.
1964FOX Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 I rang my scrubber cousin who lives in Linc and he said there has defo been a fist fight in Wetherspoons this dinner time. Two kids arguing over a dinky toy doesn't really count
Deucalion Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 All day drinkers after cheap beer or LCFC fans? (Either)
Burmesefox Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 That's their in house entertainment. Happens in wetherspoons up and down the country every saturday afternoon. A fist fight? Did they put their dukes up?
Zingari Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 A fist fight? Did they put their dukes up? A fisting fight would be more interesting
Leicester_Numan Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Robust-police-presence-Lincoln-light-cancelled/story-16648455-detail/story.html Clearer statements from the police would be nice. Neither the statement last night or this one state that Leicester fans were going to cause trouble. They just say people travelling to Lincoln. That could be absolutely anyone. The Forest rumour may even be true, at this point no-one knows anything except that we're getting a bad reputation
Thracian Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 But today they've not gone to watch city, have they. Fairly obvious what they've gone for when there isn't even a match on, and I don't imagine it's for sightseeing. Some people will quite likely have spent their last few bob buying a train and match ticket for the trip to Lincoln and if the authorities are so disregarding of this as to require the match to be cancelled at the last moment - with the consequence of lost money and a lost day - then it's hardly surprising people react. Most of us believe the decision was at least partly due to the fact that Lincolnshire police were away from their own patch doing other things at the Olympics - and how long have they known they'd be doing that? All they've done with this decision is unnecessarily and unfairly antagonise a lot of entirely innocent people who, like myself and DavieG (both of us old enough to be grandfathers and no more interested in fighting than a pair of arthritic amoebas), just wanted to watch a match and enjoy lunch and a pint together. Did the police show consideration and have the match cancelled in time for people to make alternative plans? No. Did they get the information too late and decide to deal with whatever transpired while ensuring the event went on - as would undoubtedly be the cse with the Olympics? No. They basically put two authoritarian fingers up to the staunchest Leicester City fans and said "your enjoyment's forfeit because it's not important enough for us to manage safely in the circumstances. In other words it doesn't generate enough money or prestige to be worth our effort so it's tough luck. I wonder if they'd have cancelled the opening of Lincoln's famous Christmas market just cos someone said there might be some trouble?. Godforsaken Human Rights Act. It is high time this country developed a justice system that ensured that all people could enjoy promoting and enjoying lawful entertainment without the need for a massive police presence.
Corky Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 These people who want to fight may be supporters but they are not helping and it's difficult to include them with the supporters who just want to go and watch their team, as the overwhelming majority of fans do.
Larry_LCFC Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 Some people will quite likely spent their last few bob buying a train and match ticket for the trip to Lincoln and if the authorities are so disregarding of this as to require the match to be cancelled at the last moment - with the consequence of lost money and a lost day - then it's hardly suarprising people react. Most of us believe the decision was at least partly due to the fact that Lincolnshire police were away from their own patch doing other things at the Olympics - and how long have they known they'd be doing that? All they've done with this decision is unnecessarily and unfairly antagonise a lot of entirely innocent people who, like myself and DavieG (both of us old enough to be grandfathers and no more interested in fighting than a pair of arthritic amoebas), just wanted to watch a match and enjoy lunch and a pint together. Did the police show consideration and have the match cancelled in time for people to make alternative plans? No. Did they get the information too late and decide to deal with whatever transpired while ensuring the event went on - as would undoubtedly be the cse with the Olympics? No. They basically put two authoritarian fingers up to the staunchest Leicester City fans and said "your enjoyment's forfeit because it's not important enough for us to manage safely in the circumstances. In other words it doesn't generate enough money or prestige to be worth our effort so it's tough luck. I wonder if they'd have cancelled the opening of Lincoln's famous Christmas market just cos someone said there might be some trouble?. Godforsaken Human Rights Act. It is high time this country developed a justice system that ensured that all people could enjoy promoting and enjoying lawful entertainment without the need for a massive police presence. I understand exactly what you are saying but I dont think its quite as simple as you make out. Yes alot of Lincs police are down in London. That wasnt originally an issue and up until yesterday the game was going to go ahead as planned. The police have obviously had a very late tip off or intercepted some comments on facebook etc that have meant they had to make the decision. Look at it from their point of view, if you found out a large group of troublemakers were heading your way and you had no resources to deal with it if it kicked off, what would you do?It may well be true that 80% of people would behave but if theres a risk of disorder from the other 20%, then the only option was to call it off. I would imagine that if Lincs were fully staffed it may have gone ahead as planned regardless. But it isnt. Police are human too and i doubt they took the decision lightly. But ultimately it all sounds very last minute and you need to point the finger at the idiots that talk with their fists. Its too easy just to blame the police....
Vlad the Fox Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 Quiet day, they were looking for the station cat.
Larry_LCFC Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 Somethings going on . . East Midlands Trains were handing out free doughnuts on all services. Looks like the crime intel unit got wind.
leicesterisme Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 And they say never play on train lines, hypocrites.
AoWW Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 Some people will quite likely spent their last few bob buying a train and match ticket for the trip to Lincoln and if the authorities are so disregarding of this as to require the match to be cancelled at the last moment - with the consequence of lost money and a lost day - then it's hardly suarprising people react. Most of us believe the decision was at least partly due to the fact that Lincolnshire police were away from their own patch doing other things at the Olympics - and how long have they known they'd be doing that? All they've done with this decision is unnecessarily and unfairly antagonise a lot of entirely innocent people who, like myself and DavieG (both of us old enough to be grandfathers and no more interested in fighting than a pair of arthritic amoebas), just wanted to watch a match and enjoy lunch and a pint together. Did the police show consideration and have the match cancelled in time for people to make alternative plans? No. Did they get the information too late and decide to deal with whatever transpired while ensuring the event went on - as would undoubtedly be the cse with the Olympics? No. They basically put two authoritarian fingers up to the staunchest Leicester City fans and said "your enjoyment's forfeit because it's not important enough for us to manage safely in the circumstances. In other words it doesn't generate enough money or prestige to be worth our effort so it's tough luck. I wonder if they'd have cancelled the opening of Lincoln's famous Christmas market just cos someone said there might be some trouble?. Godforsaken Human Rights Act. It is high time this country developed a justice system that ensured that all people could enjoy promoting and enjoying lawful entertainment without the need for a massive police presence. I don't quite get your point in relation to my quote, because I agree with everything you say.
Thracian Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 I understand exactly what you are saying but I dont think its quite as simple as you make out. Yes alot of Lincs police are down in London. That wasnt originally an issue and up until yesterday the game was going to go ahead as planned. The police have obviously had a very late tip off or intercepted some comments on facebook etc that have meant they had to make the decision. Look at it from their point of view, if you found out a large group of troublemakers were heading your way and you had no resources to deal with it if it kicked off, what would you do? It may well be true that 80% of people would behave but if theres a risk of disorder from the other 20%, then the only option was to call it off. I would imagine that if Lincs were fully staffed it may have gone ahead as planned regardless. But it isnt. Police are human too and i doubt they took the decision lightly. But ultimately it all sounds very last minute and you need to point the finger at the idiots that talk with their fists. Its too easy just to blame the police.... I do point the finger at those who cause the trouble but they are still able to turn up at games and yesterday's inconsiderate "cancel" decision only made trouble more likely rather than less so. Nor have I "blamed" the police decision as such. I've said they should have shown more consideration and made the decision earlier because it was obvious for a long time that they didn't have the manpower to cope with any eventuality at a football match. Had that decision been taken, Leicester could likely have found a suitable alternative fixture where there was proper police cover. There didn't seem to be a problem at Hinckley or Shrewsbury but if games are to be cancelled simply because there's verbal evidence of a disturbance where will it all end? I could see there being rumours of potential trouble at every match.
Thracian Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 I don't quite get your point in relation to my quote, because I agree with everything you say. Your agreement is appreciated and I really have no idea why I wrote my post as a reply to yours. It certainly wasn't meant to dispute anything you said.
AoWW Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 Your agreement is appreciated and I really have no idea why I wrote my post as a reply to yours. It certainly wasn't meant to dispute anything you said. Just coz I'm lovely.
Larry_LCFC Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 I do point the finger at those who cause the trouble but they are still able to turn up at games and yesterday's inconsiderate "cancel" decision only made trouble more likely rather than less so. Nor have I "blamed" the police decision as such. I've said they should have shown more consideration and made the decision earlier because it was obvious for a long time that they didn't have the manpower to cope with any eventuality at a football match. Had that decision been taken, Leicester could likely have found a suitable alternative fixture where there was proper police cover. There didn't seem to be a problem at Hinckley or Shrewsbury but if games are to be cancelled simply because there's verbal evidence of a disturbance where will it all end? I could see there being rumours of potential trouble at every match. Lets be honest, it was a preseason friendly between Leicester and Lincoln. No rivalry as far as im aware, not even nearly in the same league. I doubt anyone thought for a second that a full public order unit would be required for such an small time annonymous game. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I dont think the police can be blamed for not anticipating that their might be trouble of any kind at this match. Unfortunately whats done is done. Roll on the new season!!!!
Leicester_Loyal Posted 4 August 2012 Posted 4 August 2012 Lets be honest, it was a preseason friendly between Leicester and Lincoln. No rivalry as far as im aware, not even nearly in the same league. I doubt anyone thought for a second that a full public order unit would be required for such an small time annonymous game. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I dont think the police can be blamed for not anticipating that their might be trouble of any kind at this match. Unfortunately whats done is done. Roll on the new season!!!! When bigger clubs visit smaller ones, especially in friendlies, there is always an increased chance of violence, because there are less police at the lower league clubs. Its far easier to organise things and the police won't be able to get there quick enough.
davieG Posted 5 August 2012 Posted 5 August 2012 I believe at the very least we deserve a fuller explanation of this 'threat'. If the police are doing this to protect the public and I presume that means the law abiding fans as well I would like to know what I'm being protected from. For example was it some idiot posting something stupid on facebook/twitter, like the Robin Hood airport bomb threat in an attempt to be funny which was massively over reacted too or did it involve information on known troublemakers and are they historically associated with LCFC?
Leicester_Numan Posted 5 August 2012 Posted 5 August 2012 I believe at the very least we deserve a fuller explanation of this 'threat'. If the police are doing this to protect the public and I presume that means the law abiding fans as well I would like to know what I'm being protected from. For example was it some idiot posting something stupid on facebook/twitter, like the Robin Hood airport bomb threat in an attempt to be funny which was massively over reacted too or did it involve information on known troublemakers and are they historically associated with LCFC? Exactly, as I said before, the police statements do not specifically state that it was Leicester fans that were going to Lincoln to cause trouble, they only say people travelling to Lincoln which could be absolutely anyone. You're quite right that it could be just someone's idea of a joke that was over-reacted to. Whatever the case, a clear statement from the police is what is needed now.
upthefoxes Posted 5 August 2012 Posted 5 August 2012 http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Rumours-Lincoln-riots-untrue-say-police/story-16648544-detail/story.html A Lincolnshire Police spokesperson said: "We are aware there has been a bit of a rumour that there has been some trouble surrounding the football match that was cancelled but that is not the case. "We did have some fans come into Lincoln not aware the match was cancelled and we have had a significant police presence. "However, both opposing fans have been cooperative and there have been no arrests or incidents of disorder." Lincoln City and Leicester City fans came face-to-face at Lincoln Central train station at around 6:30pm but a clash was avoided with police on hand. The Leicester City fans left via train shortly afterwards. The pre-season friendly match was cancelled after Lincolnshire Police raised concerns about public safety.
purpleronnie Posted 5 August 2012 Posted 5 August 2012 Maybe those criticising our fans will have second thoughts next time and maybe actually wait to see if its true before mouthing off.
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