Danno Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 Really starting to think our inconsistency is caused by a lack of physicality in the team, especially in away games. We have very little height or strength throughout the starting XI, apart from Futacs. Probably one of the reasons why we get dominated in midfield so often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 We haven't really been dominated in midfield that much though this season barring Charlton for 30 minutes and today. They have two beasts in the middle, one out wide, one up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry - LCFC Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 We pass the ball around better than most and can control the midfield if we are allowed to do this, but a sensible team would just get tight our CMs and muscle them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 To be fair not many teams have the physical strength of the stoke of the championship (wolves). But it doesnt help when going forward either. Why NP believed we would score goals today by playing the ball wide and crossing into nuge and vardy is stupid. Johnson, Berra and stearman will take that all day. Get futacs on, and play vardy left wing, nugent right, marshall at center forward, and james and drinky holding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 The Wolves number 10 pushed King off of the ball like he wasn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfcsnow Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 Some of us were calling for this all summer but for one reason or another it never happened. We don't have a physical ball winner, we also don't have a main source of creativity. Instead of having all these box to box midfielders (King, Danns, Drinkwater, James, Wellens - they're all much of a muchness with Danns being the stand out) the main objective should have been to secure a creative midfielder, I can't see Pearson signing Koren or a player that offers this with the abundance of average central midfielders already at the club, Dyer needs replacing ASAP but again, can't see Pearson doing it. It's effort and endeavour over class now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He's not bald Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 The only physical presence we have a problem with is the numpty in the dug out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 The only physical presence we have a problem with is the numpty in the dug out! Just accept that Beckford is staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfox Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 We need somebody like Frimpong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danno Posted 16 September 2012 Author Share Posted 16 September 2012 We need somebody like Frimpong. Would make us.... DENCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theessexfox Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 What decent, powerful CDM's are up for grabs in the Championship though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 We need a Sey Olifonajana(sp?) type player in our midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFS Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 Frimpong on loan... DENCHTASTIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Fox Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 To be fair not many teams have the physical strength of the stoke of the championship (wol But it doesnt help when going forward either. Why NP believed we would score goals today by playing the ball wide and crossing into nuge and vardy is stupid. Johnson, Berra and stearman will take that all day. Get futacs on, and play vardy left wing, nugent right, marshall at center forward, and james and drinky holding. Nugent right wing? Marshall center forward ?? How about Kasper at left back and beckford partnering Waghorn at centre back? Let's see how many players we can play out of position that will win us games. for the record we haven't been dominated in midfield, we have missed a lot of chances has had a few to many sloppy moments in the back line. Moore is young and still learning his trade so unfortunately this is going to happen. A fully fit Whitbread could solve this problem. After a summer of transfer speculation Konchesky has looked shakey, hopefully his goal will give him confidence. Leaving us only needing to put the ball in the back of the net. I am not sure if we can get players with more ability than Beckford, Nugent, Vardy and Waghorn at this level. Confidence seems to be the issue. We need to stick with a pair and build up there confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 We do need a huddestone/frimpong type. We have been weak away from home since Nige left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shen Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 A strong defensive midfielder would've been largely superfluous today. We didn't lose because we couldn't get the ball off of them. In fact, they were probably as guilty as we were of gifting possession. We needed someone who could actually make pretty straight-forward passes, but too often we threw it away under little pressure. Whether that was down to a lack of ability or just mental focus gone astray, I can't really say. Judging by the improvement in the second half, I suspect it was the latter. No doubt we might need a strong tackler in the middle of the park on other days, but today wasn't one of them I'd argue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 A strong defensive midfielder would've been largely superfluous today. We didn't lose because we couldn't get the ball off of them. In fact, they were probably as guilty as we were of gifting possession. We needed someone who could actually make pretty straight-forward passes, but too often we threw it away under little pressure. Whether that was down to a lack of ability or just mental focus gone astray, I can't really say. Judging by the improvement in the second half, I suspect it was the latter. No doubt we might need a strong tackler in the middle of the park on other days, but today wasn't one of them I'd argue. The improvement in the 2nd half coincided with their big strong midfielder going off injured. Suddenly we had more time and space and didn't have to track his runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shen Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 The improvement in the 2nd half coincided with their big strong midfielder going off injured. Suddenly we had more time and space and didn't have to track his runs. DD had already improved by then, and Knockaert was already doing damage so I don't think it was down to that, although it certainly made life in the middle of the park easier as you suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 16 September 2012 Share Posted 16 September 2012 Either you match the opposition players at something or you beat them by doing something else. Fine, we were always going to be outmuscled by that Wolves side, but did we outclass them? Did we pull their defenders all over the place, work the (crap) goalkeeper with good shots, beat them for pace, beat them for skill? The answer is we didn't. We weren't going to win any headers from crosses or otherwise, so why did we persist in putting in crosses, why did Kasper keep booting it long? Why didn't we have enough about us to play through them? And why when we kept doing these things did we not at least bring Futacs on? I'd like to ask Nigel these questions, it's what he needs to be asking himself. Our squad obviously lacks certain kinds of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbelladave Posted 17 September 2012 Share Posted 17 September 2012 Either you match the opposition players at something or you beat them by doing something else. Fine, we were always going to be outmuscled by that Wolves side, but did we outclass them? Did we pull their defenders all over the place, work the (crap) goalkeeper with good shots, beat them for pace, beat them for skill? The answer is we didn't. We weren't going to win any headers from crosses or otherwise, so why did we persist in putting in crosses, why did Kasper keep booting it long? Why didn't we have enough about us to play through them? And why when we kept doing these things did we not at least bring Futacs on? I'd like to ask Nigel these questions, it's what he needs to be asking himself. Our squad obviously lacks certain kinds of players. Exactly...... We did none of these things because we insisted in trying to take Wolves on man to man. Their physicality put us under pressure so our passing game fell apart (1st half) and we went long with predictable results. We needed to be tighter and more compact in midfield, at least one extra player so we could hang onto the ball and run Wolves big men into the floor, but we tried to take them on one on one without cover and without support and were made to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basildon Fox Posted 17 September 2012 Share Posted 17 September 2012 Once more. We lost yesterday because we were lax on set pieces and not because we lost the midfield battle. Yes they were bigger than us but they hardly bullied us all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 17 September 2012 Share Posted 17 September 2012 Once more. We lost yesterday because we were lax on set pieces and not because we lost the midfield battle. Yes they were bigger than us but they hardly bullied us all over the place. You saw a different game to me. Until he went off Doumbia ran the midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 17 September 2012 Share Posted 17 September 2012 I went to the game and King looked well beaten physically by the Wolves central midfield when he was taken off I thought it was a tactical reason didn't know he was injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 17 September 2012 Share Posted 17 September 2012 Get Howard back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basildon Fox Posted 17 September 2012 Share Posted 17 September 2012 You saw a different game to me. Until he went off Doumbia ran the midfield. See the stats below which will show exactly who had the greater control of the football. You only see what you choose to... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/match/2012/sep/16/wolves-v-leicestercity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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