Safe Standing - Support the Early Day motion

[Wymsey]

The West Ham incidents may make the opposers to prove their point on this unfortunately.

[C-man]

1 hour ago, Wymeswold fox said:

The West Ham incidents may make the opposers to prove their point on this unfortunately.

In what way? I mean, you're sadly probably right because the powers that be have all confirm to this ridiculous Thatcherite notion that standing equals hooliganism, but 'The London Stadium' is an all-seater venue. It has nothing to do with Safe Standing.

 

Any idiot should see that home and away fans effectively sharing a concourse is a dumb idea. No idea how WHU have been allowed to get away with this.

[purpleronnie]

1 hour ago, C-man said:

In what way? I mean, you're sadly probably right because the powers that be have all confirm to this ridiculous Thatcherite notion that standing equals hooliganism, but 'The London Stadium' is an all-seater venue. It has nothing to do with Safe Standing.

 

Any idiot should see that home and away fans effectively sharing a concourse is a dumb idea. No idea how WHU have been allowed to get away with this.

They'd probably suggest the reason that there was trouble was because the fans were standing, and if they were made to sit this trouble would never of happened.

[sylofox]

So standing was stopped because of an idiot running a security operation. Nothing to do with violence.

 

Now safe standing is going to be harder to get passed because a group of greedy idiots are using a sub standard ground. A ground not designed for the purpose of use.

 

I say bring back standing and ban the fvcking idiots.

[GaelicFox]

33 minutes ago, sylofox said:

So standing was stopped because of an idiot running a security operation. Nothing to do with violence.

 

Now safe standing is going to be harder to get passed because a group of greedy idiots are using a sub standard ground. A ground not designed for the purpose of use.

 

I say bring back standing and ban the fvcking idiots.

Can't see how the stadium is the issue that's a pathetic excuse really , have you been to peterborough that's sub standard buddy 

 

the issue is vermin scum thinking it's fun to come to the football and terrorise families !

 

And we are not immune to those types at the KP , thankfully they are in a tiny minority 

[sylofox]

15 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

Can't see how the stadium is the issue that's a pathetic excuse really , have you been to peterborough that's sub standard buddy 

 

the issue is vermin scum thinking it's fun to come to the football and terrorise families !

 

And we are not immune to those types at the KP , thankfully they are in a tiny minority 

So security experts claim the ground is not designed with crowd segregation in mind.

And is not fit for purpose as a football ground. But you know better.

 

yes it is due to idiots that attend and all clubs have them. But the ground is not fit and WHU don't even have control of the security.

[C-man]

4 hours ago, purpleronnie said:

They'd probably suggest the reason that there was trouble was because the fans were standing, and if they were made to sit this trouble would never of happened.

Other than a few coins being cobbed about the majority of the trouble was in the concourse as far as I am aware. Can't really lob seats in there so the argument is bollocks to be frank.

[GaelicFox]

10 hours ago, sylofox said:

So security experts claim the ground is not designed with crowd segregation in mind.

And is not fit for purpose as a football ground. But you know better.

 

yes it is due to idiots that attend and all clubs have them. But the ground is not fit and WHU don't even have control of the security.

Security experts ...righto , the ground can of course be modified , but if I'm drunk and kill you while driving a car ... is it the cars fault or the drinks ? No it's mine , the segregation hasn't been the main issue , Chelsea and West Ham never actually came to blows in the stadium it was seats and coins being thrown that was the issue L1 could reach the away fans at the KP with coins and chairs , is there a segregation issue at the KP ? No 

 

the main issue is meat head West Ham standing infront if families and elderly and when asked to sit down they start kicking off , it's hooligan thugs trying to find a place in our game , look at all those pathetic stupid designer baseball caps they ware they think they are an army , it's not the stadium it's the thugs ! 

 

Your point about control of the security is what West Ham want people to believe "ohh look at us we can't detail our own security" the fact is they signed up to that security arrangement to save money ! So once again West Ham is at fault , there was no police coms because West Ham didn't want to pay for it and shockingly they mingled all the old Bobby Moore boot boys with the well behaved old Trevor brooking stand people thus creating a flashpoint every week because for 100 years the boot boys have stood at home and being asked to comply with stadium regulation is beyond these meat heads so they have been kicking and punching anyone asking them to sit down 

 

you can kiss safe standing good bye for another generation , because even though they shouldn't be linked they will be ! 

Edited 29 October 2016 by GaelicFox

[GaelicFox]

7 hours ago, C-man said:

Other than a few coins being cobbed about the majority of the trouble was in the concourse as far as I am aware. Can't really lob seats in there so the argument is bollocks to be frank.

And Chelsea had concourse problems for years until they moved us along to full segregation 

 

there were no end of grounds where only a flimsy barrier kept us segregated 

 

West Ham have started to put concrete barriers in the Concorse and I suspect that process will be rushed , but once again West Ham knew all this but didn't want to spend the money 

[Ted Maul]

7 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

the main issue is meat head West Ham standing infront if families and elderly and when asked to sit down they start kicking off , it's hooligan thugs trying to find a place in our game , look at all those pathetic stupid designer baseball caps they ware they think they are an army , it's not the stadium it's the thugs ! 

Surely safe standing would be a good way to counteract these issues- make a large safe standing section a good distance from the away fans, invite everyone who wants to stand to relocate there, then you could take more of a stance against the ones left standing and causing trouble near the away fans. It wouldn't solve the problems they are having, because they appear to have a large number of absolute knobheads for fans, but it could help. 

 

People stand at the football up and down the country every week, whether the authorities like it or not. And the fact is, it's not particularly safe to be jumping around celebrating (everyone does that, even if they don't stand for the full game) when there's plastic seats around you to trip over.

 

Safe standing is the logical choice, and the sooner it's implemented, the better. English football is set in its ways with all-seater grounds, but it will happen eventually. 

[Jock Wallace]

http://www.fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/brighton-and-hove-albion-hold-safe-standing-forum

[purpleronnie]

2 hours ago, Jock Wallace said:

http://www.fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/brighton-and-hove-albion-hold-safe-standing-forum

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in preparation for any legislative changes allowing standing accommodation in the top two divisions.

 

mmm they'll be waiting for a while.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

3 hours ago, purpleronnie said:

mmm they'll be waiting for a while.

That's what we thought about a cap on away ticket prices.

[purpleronnie]

5 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

That's what we thought about a cap on away ticket prices.

Not really given the money made outside of gate receipts.  Apples and oranges.

[Voll Blau]

Nice to see a new ground being built with standing in mind...

 

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Tottenham Hotspur’s new stadium will have the ability to accommodate safe-standing, and will include an exclusive ‘tunnel bar’ in which fans will be able to see the players come out onto the pitch.

Darren Baldwin, the club’s head of playing surface and estates, lifted the lid on plans for the ambitious 61,000-capacity stadium during an address at the Saltex Convention in Birmingham this morning (2 November).

Baldwin revealed that the Populous-designed stadium had been drafted to allow for safe-standing at the request of chair Daniel Levy to try and replicate the atmosphere of White Hart Lane.

The safe-standing area would be part of the large 17,000 single tier ‘kop’ end at the stadium’s south stand, and was partly inspired by the ‘Yellow Wall’ created by the fans of German club Borussia Dortmund.

Baldwin said that when Spur’s played the former German champions at its Westfalenstadion ground last year, the “players felt under immense pressure”.

However, he admitted that it “could take a few years yet” for the government to relax the laws on standing at football matches

 

http://www.sportsmanagement.co.uk/Sports-news/latest/SM/327993

[purpleronnie]

I suppose it makes sense especially when you consider how much money they're spending but it really makes no difference to the current situation.

 

I like his last line, change years to decades and he'll be a little closer.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

A single tiered stand with 17000 stood on it would be unreal. 

[yorkie1999]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10652484/premier-league-to-discuss-safe-standing-next-week

[Ted Maul]

I think this may have some legs.

 

The PL seem to have been doing some thinking about how they can improve atmospheres and the appearance of fans on the TV, going by the new rules they are bringing in about away fans needing to be pitchside- they obviously want fans standing to be shown across the world.

 

We're hopefully entering a new era. Just imagine an all-standing kop.... 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

It's becoming more of an issue for them becasue I think they're starting to realise that without a decent atmosphere and a packed, vibrant ground there's no "product" for them to sell. 

If that means we get rail seating and cheaper ticket prices to pack the grounds out then bring it on. 

[yorkie1999]

38 minutes ago, Ted Maul said:

I think this may have some legs.

 

The PL seem to have been doing some thinking about how they can improve atmospheres and the appearance of fans on the TV, going by the new rules they are bringing in about away fans needing to be pitchside- they obviously want fans standing to be shown across the world.

 

We're hopefully entering a new era. Just imagine an all-standing kop.... 

Complete with walking sticks and zimmer frames

[oxford blue]

9 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

It's becoming more of an issue for them becasue I think they're starting to realise that without a decent atmosphere and a packed, vibrant ground there's no "product" for them to sell. 

If that means we get rail seating and cheaper ticket prices to pack the grounds out then bring it on. 

There's an interesting article in the Times today (not available without subscription so no link) suggesting nearly all PL clubs in favour of safe standing (for understandable reasons, not Liverpool). However, it seems that if to be re-introduced, one seated supporter would be replaced by a standing supporter. So there would not be a price reduction - actually it costs £80 for a rail seat cf with £25 for a plastic seat. So would not be cheaper...

 

The article provides some interesting figures on German grounds - 30% of Borussia Moenchegladbach is standing; even Bayern Munich has nearly 14k out of 75k.

 

Celtic installed nearly 3k rail seats this season (I presume separate Scottish legislation); it's suggested the government will wait until the end  of the season before taking a position. So if no trouble at Celtic and PL clubs can take a position in favour, the government may not oppose this.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

So the Premier League clubs are meeting today to discuss things again. Confident based on previous evidence LCFC would be at least tentative backers. Just need a couple of the big boys on board (United especially) which might coax the fence sitters to pick a side. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/16/safe-seating-return-premier-league-meeting

"It will never happen"...

[Guest CityFan 06]

 

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

So the Premier League clubs are meeting today to discuss things again. Confident based on previous evidence LCFC would be at least tentative backers. Just need a couple of the big boys on board (United especially) which might coax the fence sitters to pick a side. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/16/safe-seating-return-premier-league-meeting

"It will never happen"...

Got this as well... http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-moves-nearer-safe-standing-13-clubs-indicating-interest-a7421716.html 

[Voll Blau]

Get the feeling the PL is way more interested in this than a lot of the bigger clubs.

 

Games on tele where you can hear the players shouting at each other are depressing to watch, and Scudamore knows this. As for the big clubs though, don't think they care who's in the ground as long as they're coughing up enough dough. Silent stadiums are fine by their book as long as they're winning...