Clattenburg In Trouble

[The Year Of The Fox]

The closest we should get to rugby is mic ing up the refs. Rugby as a sport is shit for a reason

[Manwell Pablo]

If that is what he said, then it sounds like Chelsea trying to make a point, (although I thought it was Spanish tart), Clattenberg's defence being, well he is Spanish and a tart, to which they will reply that Terry got done for calling Anton Ferdinand a black cnut, and he is black and a cnut.

People at work seems to think it was Juan Mata and he called him a "Spanish Tw@t" I don't know.

Anton is sort of mixed race is he not so not technically :-p

[ADK]

I don't think its harsh at all. If someone is through on goal and you can't win the ball then you have to let them go.

[ADK]

If they did change the rule on the cards then they need to allow the ref to award a penalty kick even for a foul outside the box and to be able to award a penaly goal if a goal was certain.

[Craig]

Imagine the uproar when a referee gets a decision wrong and awards a goal

[Raj]

Aother thing...Chelski the club that gave you John Terry and Ashley Cole want to take a ref to law about racism!!!

You just cant make it up!!

P.S As mentioned,has anyone said anything about the chelski fans throwing missles at fernandez when he scored!!???

No funny that eh???

[Darkon84]

No problem the society of black lawyers are on it http://uk.eurosport....-131642634.html

WTF

What the hell? If it turns out nothing was said to Mikel, and it was just Mata, do you think they'll still care?

[Darkon84]

Aother thing...Chelski the club that gave you John Terry and Ashley Cole want to take a ref to law about racism!!!

You just cant make it up!!

P.S As mentioned,has anyone said anything about the chelski fans throwing missles at fernandez when he scored!!???

No funny that eh???

Hernandez, but nevermind The incident is actually being investigated, but not for throwing things at Hernandez, but because they think a steward might have got hit and then fell over the barrer haha

[Fox in the North]

The closest we should get to rugby is mic ing up the refs. Rugby as a sport is shit for a reason

As a fan of both sports, enlighten me the reason?

[MPH]

Taken from the jokes thread:

If Clattenburg is indeed found guilty of using racist language, then Chelsea will have no option but to make him captain...

[Captain...]

If they did change the rule on the cards then they need to allow the ref to award a penalty kick even for a foul outside the box and to be able to award a penaly goal if a goal was certain.

I would much rather see a penalty awarded for stopping a goal scoring opportunity outside the box and no card, than a free kick and a red card.

I think in the case of deliberate hand ball on the line to stop a certain goal, it would need a tv replay and a goal awarded if true and a red card/sin bin.

Although if you see the Palace player last week, Dean Moxey, against Millwall, clearly punched the ball off the line, and realised as soon as he had done it it was a mistake, but it was instinctive, should he really be punished for something he didn't do consciously?

But then you can't really allow subjective decisions, I would say yellow card and a goal awarded, unless it was clearly accidental handball, then just award the goal.

[breadandcheese]

I'm still quite surprised that a few days after the event, we still don't know the nature of the allegation, nor what transpired.

I've read different reports, all with different details. Supposedly, Clattenburg called Mikel a monkey, which according to some papers, Mikel heard, although according to others, Ramires and Luiz were the ones who heard. The Mirror even reports that there was a confrontation in the ref's dressing room where the words "I'm gonna break your f*-ing legs" were heard (although they're the only newspaper to report that. The reported insulting of Mata is similar in that some reports say the player heard, others not.

The thing is, if Clattenburg did call Mikel a monkey, the other matchday officials would have heard and there is no way they would not report it. They've obviously not reported the events that Chelsea claim as Clattenburg is being backed by the ref's union who have spoken to him and believe him innocent.

Either way, I'd just like to know what the allegation is and the events as each party claims (rather than the confused muddy waters we currently have).

[ADK]

I can't imagine a ref calling a black player a monkey. I can imagine a team trying to mess with a referee by making an accusation though.

[Babylon]

What are the odds on certain Chelsea players making it up to get back at a ref they feel gave bad decisions. I can't imagine a referee with goodness knows how many years reffing at different levels flipping and saying some of the things reported. Moronic players making shit up somehow seems more likely to me.

We'll see.

[FoxyPV]

The thing is, if Clattenburg did call Mikel a monkey, the other matchday officials would have heard and there is no way they would not report it.

What are the odds on certain Chelsea players making it up to get back at a ref they feel gave bad decisions.

[Darkon84]

What are the odds on certain Chelsea players making it up to get back at a ref they feel gave bad decisions. I can't imagine a referee with goodness knows how many years reffing at different levels flipping and saying some of the things reported. Moronic players making shit up somehow seems more likely to me.

We'll see.

This.

I cant see Clattenberg, who is an experienced FIFA ref, and reffed the Olympic final, blurting out something as stupid as calling Mikel a monkey.

Sounds like utter bullshit to me.

[Captain...]

I can't imagine a ref calling a black player a monkey. I can imagine a team trying to mess with a referee by making an accusation though.

And if I could imagine a team that would do it, Chelsea would be pretty much top of that list, they are a classless club that have added very little to the game in the last 10 years.

[breadandcheese]

From a report in the Guardian discussing recording referee's during a game:

"Apart from identifying these culprits, the ability to play back in-game chat would, crucially, clear up claims such as Sunday's. Poll could certainly have done with football's answer to the black box being up and running when, in November 2006, he was accused of having told Chelsea players he "wanted to teach them a lesson" during their 2-1 defeat at Tottenham. Chelsea withdrew the allegations but

he refereed Chelsea's 2-1 defeat at Tottenham, sending John Terry off in the process.

Terry's red card prefaced considerable anger from Jose Mourinho, Chelsea's then manager and his squad. So much so that, the day after the game Ashley Cole accused Poll of having told his team-mates that he "wanted to teach them a lesson" while Terry claimed Poll had made conflicting comments to him on the pitch and then in the dressing room afterwards.

Much to Poll's dismay the FA launched an investigation but, two weeks later, Chelsea withdrew their allegations and Terry was fined £10,000 for his claims. Poll later said the incident contributed to his decision to retire the following year."

I forgot about this. Seems Chelsea have form for accusing referees, but regardless, an allegation has been made so it has to be investigated. It seems likely that Clattenburg will be found innocent as there is no corroboration of Chelsea's allegations from Man U players on the pitch, nor from the other matchday officials. So what would then happen to Chelsea with regards the punishment and going forward?

There is no evidence to suggest that they are making up the allegation, but could have misheard something (remember that for Ramires and Luiz,, English is not their first language), or in fact be telling the truth (just no evidence to back up the allegation). Does this mean they should be fined for bringing forward the allegation? At the same time, would Clattenburg be allowed to ref another Chelsea match, bearing in mind he would be angry at the club/players for accusing him and putting him through this (including a police investigation)?

Getting ahead of myself with the last paragraph as the investigation is ongoing but it really does make things difficult again for the FA.

[DB11]

I can see it getting to the point where some of them have enough and quit - or even worse the top officials go on strike. Just imagine having Championship refs in the Prem and League 1 refs for us. I'm pretty sure we'd all be clamouring for them to come back.

Championship, League One and League Two referees are all under the same category of 'Football League' and will alternate between divisions on a weekly basis. Just look at any football league refer's games over the course of a season.

The next tier down would be Conference referees; Football League assistant referees / 4th Officials (again, same category. So when a referee goes off injured in Football League he is being replaced not like for like but by a Conference referee)

[Guest]

It'll be interesting if the refs now start taking players to court for bad language aimed at them.

Football makes itself a joke so easily.

[Captain...]

From a report in the Guardian discussing recording referee's during a game:

"Apart from identifying these culprits, the ability to play back in-game chat would, crucially, clear up claims such as Sunday's. Poll could certainly have done with football's answer to the black box being up and running when, in November 2006, he was accused of having told Chelsea players he "wanted to teach them a lesson" during their 2-1 defeat at Tottenham. Chelsea withdrew the allegations but

he refereed Chelsea's 2-1 defeat at Tottenham, sending John Terry off in the process.

Terry's red card prefaced considerable anger from Jose Mourinho, Chelsea's then manager and his squad. So much so that, the day after the game Ashley Cole accused Poll of having told his team-mates that he "wanted to teach them a lesson" while Terry claimed Poll had made conflicting comments to him on the pitch and then in the dressing room afterwards.

Much to Poll's dismay the FA launched an investigation but, two weeks later, Chelsea withdrew their allegations and Terry was fined £10,000 for his claims. Poll later said the incident contributed to his decision to retire the following year."

I forgot about this. Seems Chelsea have form for accusing referees, but regardless, an allegation has been made so it has to be investigated. It seems likely that Clattenburg will be found innocent as there is no corroboration of Chelsea's allegations from Man U players on the pitch, nor from the other matchday officials. So what would then happen to Chelsea with regards the punishment and going forward?

There is no evidence to suggest that they are making up the allegation, but could have misheard something (remember that for Ramires and Luiz,, English is not their first language), or in fact be telling the truth (just no evidence to back up the allegation). Does this mean they should be fined for bringing forward the allegation? At the same time, would Clattenburg be allowed to ref another Chelsea match, bearing in mind he would be angry at the club/players for accusing him and putting him through this (including a police investigation)?

Getting ahead of myself with the last paragraph as the investigation is ongoing but it really does make things difficult again for the FA.

As I said a classless club.

[Captain...]

It'll be interesting if the refs now start taking players to court for bad language aimed at them.

Football makes itself a joke so easily.

I do wonder if Chelsea will be made to regret this, can you imagine if refs started applying the letter of the law and booked any player for swearing, or the keeper for taking over 6 seconds with a goal kick, any tackle from behind, they really could screw over Chelsea if they wanted to.

If you wanted to get tough and make an example of a team you could do really easily whilst still being within the letter of the law.

[Super_horns]

We need to move football in the direction of Rugby. Np player can say anything to the referee apart from the Captain and any dissent the free kick is moved 10m closer to the goal. Repeated dissent send the player off.

Things are out of hand in the prima donna world of football.

Do you think sin-bins would work like they do in rugby for things like abusive comments/diving?

[Manwell Pablo]

I would much rather see a penalty awarded for stopping a goal scoring opportunity outside the box and no card, than a free kick and a red card.

I think in the case of deliberate hand ball on the line to stop a certain goal, it would need a tv replay and a goal awarded if true and a red card/sin bin.

Although if you see the Palace player last week, Dean Moxey, against Millwall, clearly punched the ball off the line, and realised as soon as he had done it it was a mistake, but it was instinctive, should he really be punished for something he didn't do consciously?

But then you can't really allow subjective decisions, I would say yellow card and a goal awarded, unless it was clearly accidental handball, then just award the goal.

Think it's time to stop F**king with the fundamental rules tbh . The game doesn't need a over haul it is the most popular sport in the world for a reason.

[Captain...]

Think it's time to stop F**king with the fundamental rules tbh . The game doesn't need a over haul it is the most popular sport in the world for a reason.

If that is the case then why are so many games of football ruined by officials' decisions, or are just plain dull. I would love to see a sin bin introduced as it would give teams the impetus to attack for those 5-10 minutes rather than just hang on for a draw even if playing Man United.

There is a lot wrong with the game at the moment, and I do think we are on the verge of something game changing happening, and this incident could very well be the catalyst, the game is slowly being destroyed by lying, cheating, win at all costs mercenaries. There needs to be a change in attitude somewhere and it needs to start with the officials of the game, mic them up, give them more powers to punish players on the pitch and retrospectively, stamp out the play acting and going down too easily and the cynical fouling that disrupts and ruins games.