johnny the fox Posted 25 February 2013 Posted 25 February 2013 It seems you can't get them off choirboys with a crowbar..The Catholic church is still obsessed with sex , until it drags itself into the 21st century this farce will continue..surely it needs to grow up?
stevelcfc Posted 25 February 2013 Posted 25 February 2013 Religion needs going full stop, causes all the issues we have in modern society as well as stopping 'progression and evolution' in our society and is basically a very outdated way of 'controlling' people which is essentially what the 'corrupt' nature of these scandals has been about in some way or another, just another corrupt institution with double standards.
21st Century Fox Posted 25 February 2013 Posted 25 February 2013 The most outspoken critic of homosexuals in the church in this country gets accused of interfering with other priests during night time prayers. Remarkable, the gall the church has.
Tielemans63 Posted 25 February 2013 Posted 25 February 2013 ...and people think Islam is a brutal religion.
Saxondale Posted 25 February 2013 Posted 25 February 2013 One of the most bent (in both ways ) institutions still around today. The epitome of hypocrisy.
Rincewind Posted 25 February 2013 Posted 25 February 2013 A job within the church sector used to be a good place for weirdos and paedos to hide because people believed they did no wrong. Not any more.
BoneDog Posted 25 February 2013 Posted 25 February 2013 Knowledge is power. And the Catholic church has a whole heap of knowledge that is kept stashed away somewhere in their private city. Bent as f*&k but we're never going to stop them. Best assassins around. Dey stole all the best knowledge and treasures, built a city around it, and now no pissers getting their hands on it. Word.
Jaspa Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 Knowledge is power. And the Catholic church has a whole heap of knowledge that is kept stashed away somewhere in their private city. Bent as f*&k but we're never going to stop them. Best assassins around. Dey stole all the best knowledge and treasures, built a city around it, and now no pissers getting their hands on it. Word. Sounds like somebody's been playing way too much Assassins Creed What do you think they have stashed away then?
The Doctor Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 Sounds like somebody's been playing way too much Assassins Creed What do you think they have stashed away then? I don't doubt they've got a load of the works of Galileo, Copernicus and co stuffed away - after all, they were thinkers and promoting thought has never really been the MO of any religion.
I am Rod Hull Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 What do you think they have stashed away then? The cast of Grange Hill for starters.
BoneDog Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 Sounds like somebody's been playing way too much Assassins Creed What do you think they have stashed away then? Never played Assassins Creed, wouldn't know anything about it. Not sure what they've hidden. Secret knowledge that they stole from others who were hiding it is all I know. Whatever it is has given them great power though. Don't you think that the Jesuits, or other powerful secret societies have any highly valuable hidden knowledge then? I don't doubt they've got a load of the works of Galileo, Copernicus and co stuffed away - after all, they were thinkers and promoting thought has never really been the MO of any religion. Shows how much you know on the religion matter. Thinking, including scientific thought, is highly regarded in all religions I know of. You've probably been listening to people like Dawkins, Harris, Hitchins and Eugenie Scott for too long. They spout continuous utter rubbish that is made up from misrepresentations, purposefully I might add. None of those lot are really so unwise to believe what they say on the matter is true. Rather, they are following an agenda set by the leaders of their 'club', that is trying to convince the ignorant masses of something. People like them, along with some of the phoney religious leaders nowadays, are the ones who are trying to 'not promote' thought. Why those people mentioned above don't just stick to their jobs and stop spending so much time on their anti-religion campaigns I don't know. Well, I do know, but you know what I'm saying. You'd think they haven't got anything better to do.
Jaspa Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 Never played Assassins Creed, wouldn't know anything about it. Not sure what they've hidden. Secret knowledge that they stole from others who were hiding it is all I know. Whatever it is has given them great power though. Don't you think that the Jesuits, or other powerful secret societies have any highly valuable hidden knowledge then? Give Assassins Creed 2 a rip then, you have to take out some baddy Pope and raid the vaults of the Vatican, decent game too. Anyway, I guess anything is a possibility, I was only coexing you out to see if you`d start coming out with stuff like 'The Pope has a flying saucer powered by sex with minors' ect. But I suppose the power to have large numbers of people believe anything is more realistic
ozleicester Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 The cast of Grange Hill for starters. BEN ELTON So that's settled. We'll organise a protest against school uniforms! SPAZ Great! We can use the banners left over from the last protest we organised, so that racism wouldn't be an issue in this school. BEN ELTON Good idea. I'll get Mucka, Ducka, Trucka and Sucka, and you get Spaz. SPAZ But I am Spaz! BEN ELTON Oh. I better get him as well then. Come on! SPAZ Oh! Sorry, Mr. Liberal. We were just on our way to... MR. LIBERAL Now hang on you pair of scruffy tear-aways. Don't you realise that the way you act is influencing millions of children to talk Cockney and be insubordinate? BEN ELTON Oh, come on, sir. We're the only kids in Britain who never say f- Seems fair enough that they should have them... they were/are a danger to everything English!
Finnegan Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqB3F6N527U&list=FLoGsko2fUbHXVyNpglGx0Dw
indierich06 Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 It just pisses me off that they can be against gay marriage, with all the documented cases of homosexuality and paedophilia in the church. ****ing hypocrites.
The Doctor Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 Never played Assassins Creed, wouldn't know anything about it. Not sure what they've hidden. Secret knowledge that they stole from others who were hiding it is all I know. Whatever it is has given them great power though. Don't you think that the Jesuits, or other powerful secret societies have any highly valuable hidden knowledge then? Shows how much you know on the religion matter. Thinking, including scientific thought, is highly regarded in all religions I know of. You've probably been listening to people like Dawkins, Harris, Hitchins and Eugenie Scott for too long. They spout continuous utter rubbish that is made up from misrepresentations, purposefully I might add. None of those lot are really so unwise to believe what they say on the matter is true. Rather, they are following an agenda set by the leaders of their 'club', that is trying to convince the ignorant masses of something. People like them, along with some of the phoney religious leaders nowadays, are the ones who are trying to 'not promote' thought. Why those people mentioned above don't just stick to their jobs and stop spending so much time on their anti-religion campaigns I don't know. Well, I do know, but you know what I'm saying. You'd think they haven't got anything better to do. No, religion and thought are mutually exclusive - religion works along the lines of we've got an answer, don't bother looking into things. Belief in a god automatically shuts down exploration of phenomena because it tells you "why bother, we know already". Of those I've only read Hitchens on religion - I've never read Harris or Scott and Dawkins I've only worked through his stuff on evolutionary biology. However I've never seen anything that Hitchens said successfully rebuked.
The Guvnor Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 Never played Assassins Creed, wouldn't know anything about it. Not sure what they've hidden. Secret knowledge that they stole from others who were hiding it is all I know. Whatever it is has given them great power though. Don't you think that the Jesuits, or other powerful secret societies have any highly valuable hidden knowledge then? Shows how much you know on the religion matter. Thinking, including scientific thought, is highly regarded in all religions I know of. You've probably been listening to people like Dawkins, Harris, Hitchins and Eugenie Scott for too long. They spout continuous utter rubbish that is made up from misrepresentations, purposefully I might add. None of those lot are really so unwise to believe what they say on the matter is true. Rather, they are following an agenda set by the leaders of their 'club', that is trying to convince the ignorant masses of something. People like them, along with some of the phoney religious leaders nowadays, are the ones who are trying to 'not promote' thought. Why those people mentioned above don't just stick to their jobs and stop spending so much time on their anti-religion campaigns I don't know. Well, I do know, but you know what I'm saying. You'd think they haven't got anything better to do. Dawkins, Hitchens etc were genuinely frustrated at the way religion is force fed at an early age, subsequently indoctrinating people in believing in the supernatural, the consequences of non-belief being an eternity of damnation. I can fully understand the sentiment behind being a believer, the romantic thought of being reunited with your loved ones in paradise, on the face of it, sounds an extremely attractive proposition to the alternative.
Darkon84 Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqB3F6N527U&list=FLoGsko2fUbHXVyNpglGx0Dw The full debate is still in YouTube somewhere. The Catholics got their asses handed to them on a platter (it probably didn't help having Ann Widdicombe fighting their corner), actually losing supporters during the debate itself. Well worth a watch. EDIT: Here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DsWyG2-hfc
Manwell Pablo Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 ...and people think Islam is a brutal religion. It's easily on a par. Funny how a certain someone is speaking up against the Catholic church of things he has no evidence of, all off the back of recent events, and the actions of a few, but was quick to point out that we shouldn't condem a whole religion just because of a few Pedo's when is was a Muslim sex offending ring responsible for race releated sex attacks about 6 weeks ago.
FoxyPV Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 A religion that is based on the absolute male power, which treats women and children as non-entities and is shrouded in secrecy. And we wonder why these wankers think they can do whatever they want and get away with it? The whole thing is a ****ing joke.
stevelcfc Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 There was a good documentary on the meaning of life last year, with included a discussion about religion and what we would be like without it, for those interested. Link: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/sex-death-and-the-meaning-of-life/4od
Vacamion Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 El Empty, you forgot Bertrand Russell Anyway:
Tielemans63 Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 It's easily on a par. Funny how a certain someone is speaking up against the Catholic church of things he has no evidence of, all off the back of recent events, and the actions of a few, but was quick to point out that we shouldn't condem a whole religion just because of a few Pedo's when is was a Muslim sex offending ring responsible for race releated sex attacks about 6 weeks ago. Think you're reading a little too much into my post. I did say that re Muslims and I would the same for the Catholic religion - not all should be judged by the actions of a few. Tbh I was posting out of frustration yesterday. I come from a Catholic family and grew up attending the Catholic church although I now disassociate myself completely from that and any other religion. My frustrations are primarily with members of my family who persistently refuse to acknowledge any of the terrible acts that come to light - instead they stick blindly to their 'beliefs'. IMHO most religions are more than capable of brutality and will happily carry it out of it suits their agenda. Similarly there are some truly committed and inspirational figures within each religion. Think you've read too much into it tbh. I'm not some Muslim sympathiser if that's what you're thinking - it was more that I was lashing out at the sheer hypocrisy of the faith I was 'born into'.
BoneDog Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 Give Assassins Creed 2 a rip then, you have to take out some baddy Pope and raid the vaults of the Vatican, decent game too. Anyway, I guess anything is a possibility, I was only coexing you out to see if you`d start coming out with stuff like 'The Pope has a flying saucer powered by sex with minors' ect. But I suppose the power to have large numbers of people believe anything is more realistic Sounds like a decent type of game that! The Pope is well into flying saucers though. Apparently they're very interested in that subject over at Vatican City. No, religion and thought are mutually exclusive - religion works along the lines of we've got an answer, don't bother looking into things. Belief in a god automatically shuts down exploration of phenomena because it tells you "why bother, we know already". Everything you said there is not true. There are endless examples of religion and real science going hand in hand, from thousands of years ago right up to this day. What do you think the Pontifical Academy of Sciences is all about? I've been looking through some of their recent Nobel Prize winning members - Gerhard Ertl and Claude Cohen Tannoudji for example. And from what I read yesterday about those guys, they seem to take science far more seriously than the anti-religion crusaders I mentioned. http://en.wikipedia....winning_members Dawkins isn't what people would call a real scientist. Isn't he an animal behaviorist, an author and soapbox merchant? More like a businessman/preacher than a scientist. A scientist uses empirical evidence to support any theory. Dawkins can't do that with neo-Darwinian evolution, and his main source of income is from writing books and soap-boxing - that is not the definition of a scientist. He could show us evidence of variation and mutation, but no evidence for one creature improving itself and turning into a more advanced creature. He can't use the humongous fossil record to do that, and he can't use current observations to do that, because it doesn't happen. Neither variation, or mutations are proof of Darwinian evolution. They tried to use so-called 'junk dna', and things like the appendix as evidence of evolution a short while back! That's been proved a silly idea very quickly. Edit : Mutations are always sidewards steps, or backwards steps that lead to extiinction. If evolution of one species into another more advanced speices were true, then mutations would be forward steps.
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