Capacity of the kp if standing

[Steve@lcfc]

Hi first post/thread so here gos

After hearing that Dortmund get 80 thousand fans some standing made me wonder if English grounds were converted back to standing what sort of attendances we could expect.

Any thoughts on this anyone.

[Webbo]

I thought the idea of safe standing was the capacity would remain the same.

[Tielemans63]

I thought the idea of safe standing was the capacity would remain the same.

That's what I thought too. Attendance-wise I dont think it'd make much difference to a club like our's. I think it'd mainly be existing fans who took the opportunity to stand - its unlikely terracing would attract too many new fans.

Could be wrong obviously and some may totally disagree.

[peach0000]

I thought the idea of safe standing was the capacity would remain the same.

Exactly. as i understand it there would still be seats in the event of leicester qualifying for europe therefore the capacity won't change.

[yorkie1999]

Drop the price to 110 quid a season like dortmunds and wed have a full stadium.

[Bilo]

The safe limit in Germany is 1.8 standing for every 1 person seated, but 1.5 is more common apparently.

 

Therefore, if the Kop were to be converted the capacity would go from 8,000 to 12,000.

 

Do the same in the away end, as is the case in Germany, and the away capacity would go from 3,200 to 4,800.

 

The capacity would therefore be about 37,500.

[Harry - LCFC]

I'd imagine English clubs are likely to play safe and go below the 1.5 person per seat thingy, initially at least. They might start cramming more people in once they realise there's no risk involved.

[flowwolf]

I thought the stadium was built with seating in mind only ? We know we can't have rock concerts because of fans moving and swaying the footings are not strong enough,  I would imagine major structual work would have to be put in for standing to happen ?

[Mike the Metal Ed]

I thought the stadium was built with seating in mind only ? We know we can't have rock concerts because of fans moving and swaying the footings are not strong enough,  I would imagine major structual work would have to be put in for standing to happen ?

 

That is a concern. We ran out of money building the stadium and some of the rumours I've heard about where the corners were cut is quite scary. I like to think that we intend to finish our ten year old ground at some point that now we own it again anyway.

 

Would one end of the ground standing make that much of a difference to the structure of the ground? It's impossible to say without knowing a thing or two about archetecture and the condition of the stand.

[Sly]

What do Peterborough view as a safe rate? .... about 4 : 1?

[Vlad the Fox]

I thought the stadium was built with seating in mind only ? We know we can't have rock concerts because of fans moving and swaying the footings are not strong enough,  I would imagine major structual work would have to be put in for standing to happen ?

I was told by someone who worked at the merc at the time that the work would of been carried out a few years ago if we won the right to hold the prince's trust concert and if I remember correctly I was told it would cost about £200,000.

[Jace]

can't see how they can make the seated space any smaller myself, can't fit in the seats as they are now and I am as slim as you can get

[Munshi]

I want a new stadium.

I want it all.

[wattolcfc]

If I win the Euromillions i'll just knock it down and re-build Filbert Street in the exact same design but add another tier on both the North and East stands  

 

[davieG]

I thought the stadium was built with seating in mind only ? We know we can't have rock concerts because of fans moving and swaying the footings are not strong enough,  I would imagine major structual work would have to be put in for standing to happen ?

 

I believe that's because with music everyone moves in synchrony to the beat a bit like soldiers marching, football crowds don't move like that.

 

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051103080801.htm

 

 

 

 

 

can't see how they can make the seated space any smaller myself, can't fit in the seats as they are now and I am as slim as you can get

The seats would be the same size but when locked back you can actually get more people in standing side by side unless they're all of jobber proportions but that would be a problem with all seating any way.

[ealingfox]

I thought the stadium was built with seating in mind only ? We know we can't have rock concerts because of fans moving and swaying the footings are not strong enough,  I would imagine major structual work would have to be put in for standing to happen ?

 

If this were true then surely there would have been some kind of damage or incident after or during a particularly epic goal celebration? Watford in the POs springs to mind, everybody in a pretty much full Kop (and the rest of the ground) standing and jumping about like mad. Bamba v Man City or Howard v Leeds in League One also brought pandemonium to more or less full stands. If the structure can take that surely it can take a standing area in the Kop?

[promised land]

If this were true then surely there would have been some kind of damage or incident after or during a particularly epic goal celebration? Watford in the POs springs to mind, everybody in a pretty much full Kop (and the rest of the ground) standing and jumping about like mad. Bamba v Man City or Howard v Leeds in League One also brought pandemonium to more or less full stands. If the structure can take that surely it can take a standing area in the Kop?

A few seconds of bouncing about is ok, think about earth tremors, earth quakes etc.

But to have say 30k jumping up and down for two hours at a concert would cause problems.

The most I have felt it move in recent years is when the Man City fans did their orchestrated Poznan for Neil Young in the FA Cup, the kop was shaking then. 4,000 odd fans all jumping up and down, now multiple that by a full house and see what it would do.

Personally I reckon it would weaken joints in the concrete at its weakest points, rather than collapse in. But structurally it would be deemed unsafe if cracks did appear.

[Bayfox]

A few seconds of bouncing about is ok, think about earth tremors, earth quakes etc.

But to have say 30k jumping up and down for two hours at a concert would cause problems.

The most I have felt it move in recent years is when the Man City fans did their orchestrated Poznan for Neil Young in the FA Cup, the kop was shaking then. 4,000 odd fans all jumping up and down, now multiple that by a full house and see what it would do.

Personally I reckon it would weaken joints in the concrete at its weakest points, rather than collapse in. But structurally it would be deemed unsafe if cracks did appear.

It's unsafe then. As there is a crack that runs along the length of the west stand. It runs along the outside seating area of the boxes. Has been there since at least 2008 when i worked at the club for a few months.

There is also a lot of timber packing under sk4 where the concrete doesnt meet the steels.

[_Fatboyslow_]

There is also a lot of timber packing under sk4 where the concrete doesnt meet the steels.

Good spot for the away fans then