Guest Bilo Posted 23 June 2013 Posted 23 June 2013 Looking as though he's in his final hours or days. He's been 'unresponsive' for days and the South African government has admitted that he is critical. Probably one of the greatest living human beings and will be sadly missed if these are his last few hours.
Fox92 Posted 23 June 2013 Posted 23 June 2013 Ambulance broke down the other day when he was taken to hospital.
Guest Bilo Posted 23 June 2013 Posted 23 June 2013 Ambulance broke down the other day when he was taken to hospital. Probably critical in the bitter South African winter as well.
Leicesterpool Posted 23 June 2013 Posted 23 June 2013 The poor guy as been ill for years, he will be missed
stevelcfc Posted 23 June 2013 Posted 23 June 2013 Such a shame, but huge inspiration and saved millions of lives.
Jimothy Posted 23 June 2013 Posted 23 June 2013 It's sad and a shame, the term greatness is used too loosely these days but its fitting when it comes to Mandela. But he is 94 and has been ill a long time, death will at least end the suffering.
Fox92 Posted 23 June 2013 Posted 23 June 2013 Got to be honest and admit I still don't even know what he did.
Bobby Hundreds Posted 23 June 2013 Posted 23 June 2013 Everybody has to die sometime, 94 years is a long way from the average. Wish the news agencies would leave it alone, let him die with some privacy and dignity.
ousefox Posted 23 June 2013 Posted 23 June 2013 Hero. Though he has got to a great age. Even with all his time in prison he had longer out than the average life expectancy in the country!
flowwolf Posted 23 June 2013 Posted 23 June 2013 Looking as though he's in his final hours or days. He's been 'unresponsive' for days and the South African government has admitted that he is critical. Probably one of the greatest living human beings and will be sadly missed if these are his last few hours. Really don't give a shit.
Captain... Posted 23 June 2013 Posted 23 June 2013 He will never die his legacy will, hopefully live on for ever. I know some people question how he achieved what he did, and the end doesn't always justify the means but the fact is what he did achieve was really cannot be understated. You could call him a freedom fighter or a terrorist, but what cannot be disputed is that he was the father of modern South Africa, the strongest and arguably the most important country in Africa.
MPH Posted 24 June 2013 Posted 24 June 2013 He will never die his legacy will, hopefully live on for ever. I know some people question how he achieved what he did, and the end doesn't always justify the means but the fact is what he did achieve was really cannot be understated. You could call him a freedom fighter or a terrorist, but what cannot be disputed is that he was the father of modern South Africa, the strongest and arguably the most important country in Africa. Got to agree with that. Don't appreciate the bombing campaign before he went into Jail but I do appreciate his sentiments upon release that South Africa belongs to ALL who live there Black & white.
z-layrex Posted 24 June 2013 Posted 24 June 2013 He will never die his legacy will, hopefully live on for ever. I know some people question how he achieved what he did, and the end doesn't always justify the means but the fact is what he did achieve was really cannot be understated. You could call him a freedom fighter or a terrorist, but what cannot be disputed is that he was the father of modern South Africa, the strongest and arguably the most important country in Africa. Obviously apartheid is disgusting, but to be fair South Africa has gone from an economic powerhouse to a crime-ridden nightmare of a country. It is now considered to be one of the most dangerous countries on earth that is not actively at war, and it's entire infrastructure is crumbling. Let's not forget the unspeakable crimes his ANC organisation committed too, such as the church street massacre he personally sanctioned...
Mack Posted 24 June 2013 Posted 24 June 2013 Obviously apartheid is disgusting, but to be fair South Africa has gone from an economic powerhouse to a crime-ridden nightmare of a country. It is now considered to be one of the most dangerous countries on earth that is not actively at war, and it's entire infrastructure is crumbling. Let's not forget the unspeakable crimes his ANC organisation committed too, such as the church street massacre he personally sanctioned... I was about to write something similar. You are right to point out the other often deleted side to the history of this story.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 24 June 2013 Posted 24 June 2013 He will never die his legacy will, hopefully live on for ever. I know some people question how he achieved what he did, and the end doesn't always justify the means but the fact is what he did achieve was really cannot be understated. You could call him a freedom fighter or a terrorist, but what cannot be disputed is that he was the father of modern South Africa, the strongest and arguably the most important country in Africa. My sentiments exactly I suppose.
Finnegan Posted 24 June 2013 Posted 24 June 2013 To be fair, it's pretty amazing that he got to his nineties given all he's actually been through. There's a lot in his life to celebrate and we should do so. We all have to pass eventually and not many of us will live much longer than he. He's was a criminal There's always one.
Guest MattP Posted 24 June 2013 Posted 24 June 2013 Can see why he polarises opinion so much. Can understand why he did what he did as the aparthied regime could never be defended. History is written by the winners. Dreadful politician though, what he has done to South Africa has been a disaster when you look at what it has become. I hope his wife rots in hell mind, justice for Stompie.
Finnegan Posted 24 June 2013 Posted 24 June 2013 In fairness, the management of post-apartheid South Africa must rate as one of the most poisoned chalices (is that the plural of chalice?) in the history of politics. Near impossible task, surely?
Guest MattP Posted 24 June 2013 Posted 24 June 2013 In fairness, the management of post-apartheid South Africa must rate as one of the most poisoned chalices (is that the plural of chalice?) in the history of politics. Near impossible task, surely? Very tough, which was even more why an experienced Government was needed. He made some appalling decisions, he must have realised how much wealth the nation was going to lose after the Native Lands Act in terms of white flight. Corruption became a new national institution under his leadership and his stance and lack of action on crime and HIV leaves a terrible legacy. He's certainly a legend though, no one can deny that and he'll live a long time after he has gone. I hope people retain their dignity as well and we don't see any childish 'celebrating' after his death.
purpleronnie Posted 24 June 2013 Posted 24 June 2013 The right will think he's a bad man, the left will say he's a great man, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle (doesnt it most of the time?). Can't help but think of this when people debate Mr Mandela. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ucJNN_woCM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdVd1Cx08CE
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 24 June 2013 Posted 24 June 2013 He advocated terrorism in his younger days, but changed his ways later. Too late for my liking, so not fussed.
Finnegan Posted 24 June 2013 Posted 24 June 2013 Pretty sure most people on here would advocate "terrorism" if they, their families and their communities were being treated as second class citizens by a violently oppressive regime.
Guest MattP Posted 24 June 2013 Posted 24 June 2013 Pretty sure most people on here would advocate "terrorism" if they, their families and their communities were being treated as second class citizens by a violently oppressive regime. Like I've stated I have no problem with his actions towards the actual regime. The executions of young black children sometimes by the horrific style of necklacing I have a huge problem with.
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