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The Plantagenet Alliance Vs Leicester re Richard III

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davieG

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Talking to American friends on the net they've all heard about it and it's big news over there. But in Yorkshire how they are moaning about it and acting as if they don't care. They don't seem to understand that what we now have is bigger than all their crappy historical sites put together,

If we'd have made more of, and preserved our extensive Roman remains we could have become much more of tourist attraction and have an enhanced reputation as a City. Instead we chose to build shite like the holiday inn and car park and destroy/cover up a plethora of Roman history.

 

You used to be able to go down the cellar in one of the houses at the top end of High St where the holiday inn stands and see a Roman terrazzo floor which is now stuck underneath Vaughan College with a few other miserly bits and pieces and if you're lucky it might be open when you try and visit. 

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I should be surprised at some of those comments but I now expect such ignorance. It really doesn't help when the Sky reporter (and the BBC newsreader) thinks that he was Richard of York (that was his father). How many times have we heard that it was his wish to be buried in York Minster ?? There is absolutely no evidence of that as recorded by the judges. Sadly, it seems that so many people are confused with 'House of York' and the place of York. York is a family title (Prince Andrew, Duke of York, is not from York or would expect to be buried there) and has no connection with the city of the same name. The family mausoleum is at Fotheringhay, Northamptonshire where the bodies of Richard of York and Edmund of Rutland were moved to (away from Yorkshire!) after being killed in the battle of Wakefield. Being a Yorkist isn't someone that comes from York and, in fact, the Yorkist strongholds were the Midlands and south of England. During the time of Richard III, York was mainly Lancastrian and they stuck his father's (Richard of York) and his brother Edmund's head on spikes on the city walls.

 

Henry VII decided that Richard III's body should be placed in the Leicester Greyfriars. It's not for anyone to decide to move them elsewhere based on a set of modern principles.

 

Leicester Cathedral is the right, proper and legally correct place.

Well said, sir.  :thumbup:

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Henry VII decided that Richard III's body should be placed in the Leicester Greyfriars. It's not for anyone to decide to move them elsewhere based on a set of modern principles.

 

Leicester Cathedral is the right, proper and legally correct place.

Somebody should explain this to the twatagenet alliance.

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I should be surprised at some of those comments but I now expect such ignorance. It really doesn't help when the Sky reporter (and the BBC newsreader) thinks that he was Richard of York (that was his father). How many times have we heard that it was his wish to be buried in York Minster ?? There is absolutely no evidence of that as recorded by the judges. Sadly, it seems that so many people are confused with 'House of York' and the place of York. York is a family title (Prince Andrew, Duke of York, is not from York or would expect to be buried there) and has no connection with the city of the same name. The family mausoleum is at Fotheringhay, Northamptonshire where the bodies of Richard of York and Edmund of Rutland were moved to (away from Yorkshire!) after being killed in the battle of Wakefield. Being a Yorkist isn't someone that comes from York and, in fact, the Yorkist strongholds were the Midlands and south of England. During the time of Richard III, York was mainly Lancastrian and they stuck his father's (Richard of York) and his brother Edmund's head on spikes on the city walls.

 

Henry VII decided that Richard III's body should be placed in the Leicester Greyfriars. It's not for anyone to decide to move them elsewhere based on a set of modern principles.

 

Leicester Cathedral is the right, proper and legally correct place.

Laughable really how often you see the same mistakes trotted out, yet they still carry on head in the sand.

 

If they had come out and from the start said they thought somewhere else would have been better. ie. With his family in Northamptonshire, or with his wife is Westminster I wouldn't have had a problem. But for them to have the nerve to state he should be buried there and then claim Leicester were only interested in tourism is an absolute joke.

 

Rather than just state their case as to why thought thought he should be in York, they also took it upon themselves to rubbish the city of Leicester. With the majority of their case seemingly built around why Leicester wasn't the right place, more than why york was the right place.

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Just as an interesting aside.... the House of York was actually born in Leicester when Richard Plantagenet (Richard III's father) was knighted in 1426 in St Mary de Castro. Parliament was actually sitting at the time in Leicester Castle.

 

There is some incredible history in Leicester. In case anyone is interested ... http://murreyandblue.wordpress.com/2014/05/17/york-born-of-leicester-2/

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Just as an interesting aside.... the House of York was actually born in Leicester when Richard Plantagenet (Richard III's father) was knighted in 1426 in St Mary de Castro. Parliament was actually sitting at the time in Leicester Castle.

 

There is some incredible history in Leicester. In case anyone is interested ... http://murreyandblue.wordpress.com/2014/05/17/york-born-of-leicester-2/

Thank you, that is very interesting.

 

And thank you for this link to the ruling by the High Court on this ridiculous case by The Nicky Mouse Alliance. There is so much interesting stuff to read in there such as:

''The Claimant, The Plantagenet Alliance Limited, objected. The Plantagenet Alliance is a not-for-profit entity set up by Mr Stephen Nicolay, the 16th great-nephew of Richard III. Mr Nicolay is the sole director and shareholder of the Claimant, which he incorporated to pursue the litigation brought on behalf of himself and a number of collateral descendants of Richard III (comprising 16th, 17th and 18th great-nephews and great-nieces). However, they represent but a tiny fraction of Richard III’s descendants. Calculations of the number of living collateral descendants of Richard III varies between one and well over ten million world.

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Richard III: High Court battle leaves winners with £250,000 costs

Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Richard-III-High-Court-battle-leaves-winners/story-21157199-detail/story.html#ixzz335ewBuSA
Read more at http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Richard-III-High-Court-battle-leaves-winners/story-21157199-detail/story.html#EhOxSQttpRS9iO5L.99

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Leicester's King Richard III exhibition attracts visitors from all over the world

Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-s-King-Richard-III-exhibition-attracts/story-21157188-detail/story.html#ixzz335fXdpNs
Read more at http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-s-King-Richard-III-exhibition-attracts/story-21157188-detail/story.html#8Mr8Kpsduy5feDHC.99

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Ridiculous

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From the ruling made in the High Court:

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'The Secretary of State knew, therefore, that HM Queen was content with Leicester Cathedral as the reburial place '

 

'The Established Church, the Church of England, was content with Leicester Cathedral as the place of reburial.'

 

'Whilst York Minster may now be adopting a more avowedly neutral stance, it is apparent that it still accepts Leicester Cathedral is the appropriate place of burial for Richard III.'

 

'Neither is there any evidence that the Archbishop of Canterbury or Lambeth Palace saw fit to intervene in the matter.'

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How stupid were the pa alliance for thinking they had a chance of winning this case ?

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Talking to American friends on the net they've all heard about it and it's big news over there. But in Yorkshire how they are moaning about it and acting as if they don't care. They don't seem to understand that what we now have is bigger than all their crappy historical sites put together,

lol It looks as though you feel exceptionally strongly on the issue but that's utter bollocks. More tourists will continue going to York to see the many different historical sites than will ever go to Leicester to see a buried king.

 

Ask the average person in this country to name any historical site, object or person from York, and they wouldn't be able to do so. Ask the same question to an American and since the only 'york' they know is New York they also wouldn't be able to answer. But the same question about Leicester...

I'm sure 80% of adults at the very least could. York is most visited city in the country after London and more American visitors go to York than from any other country...

 

You're dislike of the city based on a few people who wanted Richard to be buried there is bizarre - have you ever been?

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" But York's council and Minster, and the University of York, have said only that they are pleased clarity has been brought to the process.

In a joint statement, the three bodies said they looked forward to working with Leicester to tell Richard III's story, and his links to York and Yorkshire. "

 

It was the media that stoked up a York vs Leicester war. It was never about that. The Minster was only forced into a position of neutrality after receiving hate mail from nutters following the Dean's declaration of support for a Leicester Cathedral re-interment. The Plantagenet Alliance Limited are mostly not from York, one of which is a Kansas nightclub owner so it won't be his taxes that will be paying the legal bill :mad:

 

The City of Leicester has had to put up with hypocritical tourism arguments being spewed out by these ignorant trouble-making bullies since the remains were discovered.... and it still continues on social media (just check out Facebook) as if the judgement had never happened.

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You're dislike of the city based on a few people who wanted Richard to be buried there is bizarre - have you ever been?

Those 'few' people included their council, their MPs, local newspapers, and the thousands who signed a petition wanting him to be buried there. It's a city which did not object to the actions of the PA which was tantamount to showing supporting for the PA.

 

 

 

The City of Leicester has had to put up with hypocritical tourism arguments being spewed out by these ignorant trouble-making bullies since the remains were discovered.... and it still continues on social media (just check out Facebook) as if the judgement had never happened.

 

That type of nonsense is just annoying.

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Ask the average person in this country to name any historical site, object or person from York, and they wouldn't be able to do so. Ask the same question to an American and since the only 'york' they know is New York they also wouldn't be able to answer. But the same question about Leicester...

What about the medieval wall at York, Clifford's Tower, York Minster, the Roman Legionary fortress of the Ninth Hispana Legion, the Viking settlement, the lovely Medieval Shambles. I could go on.

 

Much as Richard 3rd belongs, rightfully, in the fair City of Leicester, York has vastly more historical significance.

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The difference being that York hasn't been vandalised by planning decisions over the decades in the name of progress. Leicester became a very prosperous industrial town over the past couple of centuries whilst the city of York was mostly ignored and became poor because of it. They might still have the medieval buildings but scratch the surface and you'll find as much historical significance in our city as anywhere in the country.

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Richard III legal challenge lands taxpayer with £175,000 legal bill

It emerged that the Plantagenet Alliance was registered last year with just a sole director, Stephen Nicolay, 47, who claims to be the 16th great-grandson of Richard Plantagenet, the 3rd Duke of York, and the her of Richard III.

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/10904000/Richard-III-legal-challenge-lands-taxpayer-with-175000-legal-bill.html

 

That useless lump Steven Nicolay is keeping his head down now, but he ha to live with the3 fact that he has made such a fool of himself.

 

 

And the idiot who wrote that doesn't know that Leicester Cathedral was built over where there used to be a medieval church, a Saxon church , and  a Roman temple before those churches were built.

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That useless lump Steven Nicolay is keeping his head down now, but he ha to live with the3 fact that he has made such a fool of himself.

 

 

And the idiot who wrote that doesn't know that Leicester Cathedral was built over where there used to be a medieval church, a Saxon church , and  a Roman temple before those churches were built.

The pro York lot on that digital spy are as thick as pig shit. The most clueless, racist, ingnorant biggots and snobs all in one forum.

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