Finnegan Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 It might not be good to watch, and granted Mourinho does annoy me like he does all you, but surely if he plays defensive/negative etc but ends up taking a draw back to Stamford Bridge then he's done his job because a draw would be a good result. No, a goalless draw is a rather poor result. Atletico would be happier with that than Chelsea. Fitstly, it leaves them needing a score draw to go through and a clean sheet to at least get extra time. They're also a team that like a counter and Chelsea will have to attack them. Given the attacking talent available to Mourinho and that Barcelona showed that you can comfortably dominante possession here, it's a pretty shit strategy from Mourinho.
Corky Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Good old David Luiz, lovely tackle on Captain, Leader, Legend just then.
Fox92 Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Actually, yeah, just realised in terms of away goals as well that 0-0 would probably favour Athletico more. It's more the fact he berated West Ham for parking the bus then does the same. Yeah that's another thing that annoys me about him. Remember at the start of the season he went to Old Trafford without a recognized striker.
purpleronnie Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 good result for Madrid, Chelsea will have to play completely differently to progress.
Grandad. Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Perfect result for Liverpool and the two injuries help as well. Ramires getting his 4 game ban tomorrow from the FA.
bovril Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 A lot of hoofball 19th century defending. I turned off to concentrate on City.
Finnegan Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Getting really annoyed with ITV wanking off Mourinho and Chelsea's tactics. That was crap, 0 - 0 isn't a good result, they didn't "set up well", it wasn't a "masterclass" - it was pointless. Setting up well would have involved dangerous counter attacks, you can't just throw everyone behind the ball - with no outlet what so ever - and call it tactics. It isn't. Some tool on the BBC live feed was harping on about the "art of defending" and how some "hipsters" wouldn't be happy unless the game involved no defenders and keepers. Rubbish. Go and watch Dortmund play, they get bodies behind the ball and don't mind if a team comes at them but they also press relentlessly and COUNTER. You're not going to win games if you sit there doing **** all. Chelsea now have to out-score a side who WILL happily counter whenever they come forward and lose the ball. Granted Chelsea are capable of winning the game outright at home and Mourinho might get away with it but it doesn't mean it's sound tactical sense to essentially forfeit this game entirely and give up any chance of having scored. Ugh, really pisses me off. Rant over.
Grandad. Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Getting really annoyed with ITV wanking off Mourinho and Chelsea's tactics. That was crap, 0 - 0 isn't a good result, they didn't "set up well", it wasn't a "masterclass" - it was pointless. Setting up well would have involved dangerous counter attacks, you can't just throw everyone behind the ball - with no outlet what so ever - and call it tactics. It isn't. Some tool on the BBC live feed was harping on about the "art of defending" and how some "hipsters" wouldn't be happy unless the game involved no defenders and keepers. Rubbish. Go and watch Dortmund play, they get bodies behind the ball and don't mind if a team comes at them but they also press relentlessly and COUNTER. You're not going to win games if you sit there doing **** all. Chelsea now have to out-score a side who WILL happily counter whenever they come forward and lose the ball. Granted Chelsea are capable of winning the game outright at home and Mourinho might get away with it but it doesn't mean it's sound tactical sense to essentially forfeit this game entirely and give up any chance of having scored. Ugh, really pisses me off. Rant over. On the same basis, Dortmund are out. Chelsea are still in the competition at the tie still 0-0 and are playing the second leg at home, with every chance of playing in their third European final in 3 years, so I wouldn't say tonight has been a disgrace to football. As much as you dislike the thought, football is a results game. Chelsea now only need one goal to reach the Champions League final. Chelsea did tonight, exactly what we did in 2005 v Chelsea of all teams. Went to Stamford Bridge with every man behind the ball, then won the game at Anfield.. The rest is what you call history! You can't blame Mourinho and Chelsea for setting up the way they did tonight.
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Getting really annoyed with ITV wanking off Mourinho and Chelsea's tactics. That was crap, 0 - 0 isn't a good result, they didn't "set up well", it wasn't a "masterclass" - it was pointless. Setting up well would have involved dangerous counter attacks, you can't just throw everyone behind the ball - with no outlet what so ever - and call it tactics. It isn't. Some tool on the BBC live feed was harping on about the "art of defending" and how some "hipsters" wouldn't be happy unless the game involved no defenders and keepers. Rubbish. Go and watch Dortmund play, they get bodies behind the ball and don't mind if a team comes at them but they also press relentlessly and COUNTER. You're not going to win games if you sit there doing **** all. Chelsea now have to out-score a side who WILL happily counter whenever they come forward and lose the ball. Granted Chelsea are capable of winning the game outright at home and Mourinho might get away with it but it doesn't mean it's sound tactical sense to essentially forfeit this game entirely and give up any chance of having scored. Ugh, really pisses me off. Rant over. I bet the most successful football manager in recent times is thinking 'I bet 'Finners' is well upset at that nil-nil draw'...
Finnegan Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 On the same basis, Dortmund are out. ... because their players aren't as good and they've had a season severely hit by injury? Dortmund aren't out because of the way they play, they're out because collectively they weren't good enough. You absolutely can blame Mourinho for setting up the way they did tonight. You can play defensively and still have designs to attack on the break - which there were opportunities to do. That's not what they did, they set up to spoil which should never be celebrated. It works in a league system when a match ends on 90 minutes and a draw gets you a point. It doesn't work in a cup competition where you need to score goals. Just doesn't.
Finnegan Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 I bet the most successful football manager in recent times is thinking 'I bet 'Finners' is well upset at that nil-nil draw'... He's consistently failed to win the competition with unbelievably good Chelsea and Real sides and you think he's above criticism? Okay.
Grandad. Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 ... because their players aren't as good and they've had a season severely hit by injury? Dortmund aren't out because of the way they play, they're out because collectively they weren't good enough. You absolutely can blame Mourinho for setting up the way they did tonight. You can play defensively and still have designs to attack on the break - which there were opportunities to do. That's not what they did, they set up to spoil which should never be celebrated. It works in a league system when a match ends on 90 minutes and a draw gets you a point. It doesn't work in a cup competition where you need to score goals. Just doesn't. ... because their players aren't as good and they've had a season severely hit by injury? Dortmund aren't out because of the way they play, they're out because collectively they weren't good enough. You absolutely can blame Mourinho for setting up the way they did tonight. You can play defensively and still have designs to attack on the break - which there were opportunities to do. That's not what they did, they set up to spoil which should never be celebrated. It works in a league system when a match ends on 90 minutes and a draw gets you a point. It doesn't work in a cup competition where you need to score goals. Just doesn't. ... because their players aren't as good and they've had a season severely hit by injury? Dortmund aren't out because of the way they play, they're out because collectively they weren't good enough. You absolutely can blame Mourinho for setting up the way they did tonight. You can play defensively and still have designs to attack on the break - which there were opportunities to do. That's not what they did, they set up to spoil which should never be celebrated. It works in a league system when a match ends on 90 minutes and a draw gets you a point. It doesn't work in a cup competition where you need to score goals. Just doesn't. Well it clearly does work, like I have clearly pointed out. Liverpool did the exact same in 2005. You play to your strengths, simple as that, if you can't see that then that is quite worrying. If Chelsea went there tonight and played to a style that didn't work and wasn't suited to them and lost 3-0 then they would be out, with a game to spare. As much as you disagree, Mourinho got it spot on.
bovril Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Chelsea failed to do what Ian Marshall only needed 11 minutes to do.
Manwell Pablo Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Getting really annoyed with ITV wanking off Mourinho and Chelsea's tactics. That was crap, 0 - 0 isn't a good result, they didn't "set up well", it wasn't a "masterclass" - it was pointless. Setting up well would have involved dangerous counter attacks, you can't just throw everyone behind the ball - with no outlet what so ever - and call it tactics. It isn't. Some tool on the BBC live feed was harping on about the "art of defending" and how some "hipsters" wouldn't be happy unless the game involved no defenders and keepers. Rubbish. Go and watch Dortmund play, they get bodies behind the ball and don't mind if a team comes at them but they also press relentlessly and COUNTER. You're not going to win games if you sit there doing **** all. Chelsea now have to out-score a side who WILL happily counter whenever they come forward and lose the ball. Granted Chelsea are capable of winning the game outright at home and Mourinho might get away with it but it doesn't mean it's sound tactical sense to essentially forfeit this game entirely and give up any chance of having scored. Ugh, really pisses me off. Rant over. Chelsea wont over commit going forward at Stamford Bridge. It is all well and good saying Chelsea "need" to score in order to get through but Athletico are in the same boat, Mourinho wont go hunting for a risky goal just because they're playing at home and given what's at stake he wont care about entertaining anyone or chasing anything What you'll probably see next week is a repeat of tonight with Chelsea fashioning a few more decent opportunities, with the game being at Stamford Bridge which team is going to fear pens the most? It's not master class but not a bad a draw for Chelsea. Footballs the main loser this is going to be a complete non event of a semi final.
Webbo Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 If Chelsea make the final then Mourinho's tactics will have worked, it's silly to say anything else.
Grandad. Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Mourinho going very mardy about the game v us on Sunday, moaning about the day of the fixture. Saying his priority now is the Champions League and may have to play a weakened team Sunday.
Dan Posted 23 April 2014 Posted 23 April 2014 If Chelsea make the final then Mourinho's tactics will have worked, it's silly to say anything else. And if they don't then they haven't, and it's silly to say they've worked at half time. Was at Bolton so didn't see this. Assuming it was one way traffic which Chelsea happened to get away with again.
RowlattsFox Posted 23 April 2014 Posted 23 April 2014 Think these 2 teams have got pens written all over them. Chelsea won't risk anything and athletico haven't been an attacking side whenever I've seen them. I was so caught up in the emotions of last night that I've only just remembered this game was even played.
RowlattsFox Posted 23 April 2014 Posted 23 April 2014 Think these 2 teams have got pens written all over them. Chelsea won't risk anything and athletico haven't been an attacking side whenever I've seen them. I was so caught up in the emotions of last night that I've only just remembered this game was even played.
Dan Posted 23 April 2014 Posted 23 April 2014 Did Atletico really have about 26 shots to Chelsea's 5?
Grandad. Posted 23 April 2014 Posted 23 April 2014 Did Atletico really have about 26 shots to Chelsea's 5? Have as many as you like if you can't score, when you watch the game back or extended highlights mate you will see Madrid out of them 26 shots never tested Cech or Schwarzer, they never broke Chelsea down and got in behind them. Chelsea got it spot on for me last night, if you're a weaker side then you are going to keep it tight and sit back with men behind the ball, to me that is common sense. How can you approach these games in any other way if you want to take the competition seriously? It cannot be all gun ho. They parked the bus and kept a clean sheet against a team sitting at the top of La Liga and look like they will be winning the League. Chelsea are surely favourites now to progress, a third straight European Final, that is some good going.
Finnegan Posted 23 April 2014 Posted 23 April 2014 But Chelsea aren't a weak side, this is why I'm getting so annoyed about this. Atletico are quality, yes, but so are Chelsea and you don't get to the semis of the CL being a shit time that can't score. We all know Chelsea have goals in them, strikers or not.
Grandad. Posted 23 April 2014 Posted 23 April 2014 But Chelsea aren't a weak side, this is why I'm getting so annoyed about this. Atletico are quality, yes, but so are Chelsea and you don't get to the semis of the CL being a shit time that can't score. We all know Chelsea have goals in them, strikers or not. They didn't have goals last night though? No Hazard and no Eto'o, they're their top scorers this season. Like I've said before, Liverpool did exactly the same to Chelsea in 2005, went to Stamford Bridge and stuck everyone behind the ball and then beat them at Anfield, sometimes that is what you have to do. Imagine if Chelsea had lost 3-0 last night after 'going for it'? Managers have their styles and game plans, Mourinho for me got his game plan spot on.
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