Kevin Doyle.

[The Bear]

Doyle interview about the window:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/doyle-if-you-jump-ship-its-not-always-a-bed-of-roses-242058.html

A refreshing attitude in today's world of footballers. He's come out with this before when we got relegated from the Prem.

[Fox92]

Doyle interview about the window:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/doyle-if-you-jump-ship-its-not-always-a-bed-of-roses-242058.html

A refreshing attitude in today's world of footballers. He's come out with this before when we got relegated from the Prem.

 

I liked this bit, other footballer should have the same attitude, including those who left when we were relegated. I expect you get automatic promotion anyway, I've always thought Jackett is a solid manager at this level.

 

"If I look back in years to come when my career is over, would I prefer the achievement of sticking at it and trying to help this club get back up the divisions or jumping ship and perhaps ending up in another dogfight or whatever it was going to be?

[Carl the Llama]

Doyle interview about the window:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/doyle-if-you-jump-ship-its-not-always-a-bed-of-roses-242058.html

A refreshing attitude in today's world of footballers. He's come out with this before when we got relegated from the Prem.

It would be more refreshing had he made it known that he felt that way when negotiations were ongoing, not once it became a certainty that it wasn't going to happen because of his unreasonable wages.  We've dodged a bullet here in not signing a money-grubber who sells good copy to make his preference for cash look like a conscientious decision.  It would have been JB all over again.

[The Bear]

It would be more refreshing had he made it known that he felt that way when negotiations were ongoing, not once it became a certainty that it wasn't going to happen because of his unreasonable wages.  We've dodged a bullet here in not signing a money-grubber who sells good copy to make his preference for cash look like a conscientious decision.  It would have been JB all over again.

 

 

He had talks with Celtic early in the summer but the owner Steve Morgan convinced him to stay.

 

And to be fair to Doyle we have had offers in every single window since he signed in 2009 and he's always come out with the same stuff as above. Very level-headed bloke who enjoys playing at clubs who treat him well. He doesn't even have an agent either.

[GingerrrFox]

He had talks with Celtic early in the summer but the owner Steve Morgan convinced him to stay.

And to be fair to Doyle we have had offers in every single window since he signed in 2009 and he's always come out with the same stuff as above. Very level-headed bloke who enjoys playing at clubs who treat him well. He doesn't even have an agent either.

Not to burst your bubble pal but if Celtic or us had offered him the same wage he was on at your club he would be wearing green and white or royal blue.

[Deucalion]

Wouldn't want to sign a player who so clearly mixes his metaphors anyway.  

 

When I was a sprog I had a manager who kept telling me I was 'sailing on thin ice'.  He never seemed to appreciate me pointing his mistake out !

 

But yeah, good on him for being loyal.  Although, it makes you wonder why he didn't say this before the transfer window closed rather than after?   

[Zingari]

Wouldn't want to sign a player who so clearly mixes his metaphors anyway.  

 

When I was a sprog I had a manager who kept telling me I was 'sailing on thin ice'.  He never seemed to appreciate me pointing his mistake out !

 

But yeah, good on him for being loyal.  Although, it makes you wonder why he didn't say this before the transfer window closed and not after?   

You can stand there telling some people until the cows turned blue and they'd still get it wrong!

I mean what's so difficult? It’s as easy as falling off a piece of cake.

[Dan]

The hoofball argument is a valid one against Pearson I'm afraid.

 

Hoofball should be a last resort to any team in my opinion. If you're crying out for a goal, then fair enough - but to actually base a gameplan around a big bloke winning it in the air all game, completely bypassing your midfield, is absolutely criminal and it's even more so considering we DO actually have good passers of the ball.

 

Chris Wood hasn't looked right for a while but I said it last year and I'll say it again - his physique is massively deceiving. He's a poacher who's got the height and stockiness of a typical target man. He's a very good finisher - but not a lot else, it's up to us to get that out of him and by hoofing it up to him all game, we don't do that.

 

Pearson got away with it before when we had a genuine target man in Steve Howard - only now do I realise just how good at his job he really was, he had a very good touch, he could pass to a blue shirt after bringing it down and although he lacked goals, he was absolutely key looking back.

 

But we really, really shouldn't lower ourselves. It doesn't make any sense to try and play hoofball when you've got players who are better than most in this league at getting it on the floor and passing it around. If Pearson can't encourage these players to play a better style which actually happens to suit our players more than a direct one, then he's digging a huge hole for himself.

[Guest Col city fan]

You can play two types of 'hoofball':

1. Planned..... The long ball game to the 'target man', usually in the air, sometimes on the floor, sometimes both. This bloke holds it up, for oncoming midfielders or to lay it off to his strike partner. Or, to nod one in himself.

Eg. The old Wimbledon

2. Unplanned... When you are under pressure, you can't keep the ball, you are being over-run. The long ball to some big lump upfront becomes used out of desperation. There is no real tactic, it's usually wallop and hope.

For me, it's number 2 that we played far too often towards the arse end of last season. Why? Because we were getting over-run and out-muscled in the midfield. When under pressure, our defenders didn't give it to the midfield because they knew they'd lose it. So they hoofed it instead. It's for exactly this reason I'm been clamouring to get something done with our midfield for ages. Now, I think Pearson has recognised this and this can only bode well for the club IMO.

[The Bear]

Not to burst your bubble pal but if Celtic or us had offered him the same wage he was on at your club he would be wearing green and white or royal blue.

We allowed him to speak to Celtic but then we never even accepted a bid because Doyle made it clear he was willing to stay at Wolves after speaking to both clubs. If he'd have wanted to go we would have negotiated a fee and he would have gone.

[HoustonFox]

You can play two types of 'hoofball':

1. Planned..... The long ball game to the 'target man', usually in the air, sometimes on the floor, sometimes both. This bloke holds it up, for oncoming midfielders or to lay it off to his strike partner. Or, to nod one in himself.

Eg. The old Wimbledon

2. Unplanned... When you are under pressure, you can't keep the ball, you are being over-run. The long ball to some big lump upfront becomes used out of desperation. There is no real tactic, it's usually wallop and hope.

For me, it's number 2 that we played far too often towards the arse end of last season. Why? Because we were getting over-run and out-muscled in the midfield. When under pressure, our defenders didn't give it to the midfield because they knew they'd lose it. So they hoofed it instead. It's for exactly this reason I'm been clamouring to get something done with our midfield for ages. Now, I think Pearson has recognised this and this can only bode well for the club IMO.

Agreed Col. However we don't want either style really.

[svensson]

Agreed Col. However we don't want either style really.

I'd take any style , if it were to win us the FA cup or be promoted.

[GingerrrFox]

We allowed him to speak to Celtic but then we never even accepted a bid because Doyle made it clear he was willing to stay at Wolves after speaking to both clubs. If he'd have wanted to go we would have negotiated a fee and he would have gone.

Yeah your missing my point because he is on. +£30,000 a week and neither Celtic or us were willing to pay him that. No wonder he chose to stay with you.

[Dan]

You can play two types of 'hoofball':

1. Planned..... The long ball game to the 'target man', usually in the air, sometimes on the floor, sometimes both. This bloke holds it up, for oncoming midfielders or to lay it off to his strike partner. Or, to nod one in himself.

Eg. The old Wimbledon

2. Unplanned... When you are under pressure, you can't keep the ball, you are being over-run. The long ball to some big lump upfront becomes used out of desperation. There is no real tactic, it's usually wallop and hope.

For me, it's number 2 that we played far too often towards the arse end of last season. Why? Because we were getting over-run and out-muscled in the midfield. When under pressure, our defenders didn't give it to the midfield because they knew they'd lose it. So they hoofed it instead. It's for exactly this reason I'm been clamouring to get something done with our midfield for ages. Now, I think Pearson has recognised this and this can only bode well for the club IMO.

 

Agree with a lot of that too. Good post.

[Deucalion]

We allowed him to speak to Celtic but then we never even accepted a bid because Doyle made it clear he was willing to stay at Wolves after speaking to both clubs. If he'd have wanted to go we would have negotiated a fee and he would have gone.

 

And he proved his loyalty to Wolves by making a statement to the press before the window closed to reassure fans and dampen down speculation, right???  

 

 

A statement from Doyle about his loyalty released after the window closed, following talking to at least two other clubs, none of which offered him as much money, to me does not speak of loyalty but cynical PR.

[AyewJoking]

He had talks with Celtic early in the summer but the owner Steve Morgan convinced him to stay.

 

And to be fair to Doyle we have had offers in every single window since he signed in 2009 and he's always come out with the same stuff as above. Very level-headed bloke who enjoys playing at clubs who treat him well. He doesn't even have an agent either.

 

 

 

Is that why hes at a shit club?

[hackneyfox]

For me, it's number 2 that we played far too often towards the arse end of last season. Why? Because we were getting over-run and out-muscled in the midfield. When under pressure, our defenders didn't give it to the midfield because they knew they'd lose it. So they hoofed it instead. It's for exactly this reason I'm been clamouring to get something done with our midfield for ages. Now, I think Pearson has recognised this and this can only bode well for the club IMO.

The sad thing is that a fair few on here and Bentleys had mentioned this last season, just imagine what may have happened had Pearson recognised it last season.

[The Bear]

And he proved his loyalty to Wolves by making a statement to the press before the window closed to reassure fans and dampen down speculation, right???  

 

 

A statement from Doyle about his loyalty released after the window closed, following talking to at least two other clubs, none of which offered him as much money, to me does not speak of loyalty but cynical PR.

 

 

If money meant anything to him he would have gone to Fulham instead of joining us when we got promoted. Or made a fuss and got himself a move back to the Prem when we were relegated and his wages got reduced.

 

He's said all through the summer that he's happy at Wolves and had no problems playing in L1. We had a price for him, no-one matched it.

[GingerrrFox]

If money meant anything to him he would have gone to Fulham instead of joining us when we got promoted. Or made a fuss and got himself a move back to the Prem when we were relegated and his wages got reduced.

He's said all through the summer that he's happy at Wolves and had no problems playing in L1. We had a price for him, no-one matched it.

You clearly have no clue. Wolves accepted the deal of money plus Waghorn but we refused to pay his current wages and he didn't want to take a drastic pay cut. Sorry to burst your bubble but that is the truth.

[LCFC FOX]

If money meant anything to him he would have gone to Fulham instead of joining us when we got promoted. Or made a fuss and got himself a move back to the Prem when we were relegated and his wages got reduced.

 

He's said all through the summer that he's happy at Wolves and had no problems playing in L1. We had a price for him, no-one matched it.

Thank you for keeping the greedy tw@t anyway, much rather have Waggy who is young and was willing to go out on loan to L1 to play football rather than someone who is just here for the money and wouldn't take wage cup to play in the championship 

[Carl the Llama]

If money meant anything to him he would have gone to Fulham instead of joining us when we got promoted. Or made a fuss and got himself a move back to the Prem when we were relegated and his wages got reduced.

 

He's said all through the summer that he's happy at Wolves and had no problems playing in L1. We had a price for him, no-one matched it.

You wanna get down the opticians and remove that rosey tint from your glasses, mate.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

You wanna get down the opticians and remove that rosey tint from your glasses, mate.

It's not actually his glasses, it's his eyes.   

[Deucalion]

I think we've scared The Bear off now.

 

We may have been harsh with him, although he did seem incredibly naive.

 

Are we that naive when our players try to bullshit us?  

 

Probably.

[Carl the Llama]

I think we've scared The Bear off now.

 

We may have been harsh with him, although he did seem incredibly naive.

 

Are we that naive when our players try to bullshit us?  

 

Probably.

A lot of us did go weak at the knees when JB came out with that "only weak people" BS in fairness.

[Deucalion]

A lot of us did go weak at the knees when JB came out with that "only weak people" BS in fairness.