RobHawk Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 RobHawk if I could give a percentage it's an extra 16.13% wage increase over the year. I'm working hourly so there's a high chance of overtime and extra hours on top of the contracted hours, if that makes sense. It's exactly the same job area but for another company. The traveling altogether would be 40mins extra which isn't too bad, just an extra bus trip I guess, I doubt traffic would be bad, plus there would be some days I'd drive and parking wouldn't be too bad. From what you have said, and presuming you are quite young and looking to move forward the future, I personally would take the new job! You may love it even more than your current one, or you may hate it! Its always a risk but who's to say, even if you hate it, a better job won't come up a few years down the line time that you will love and get paid for more! I understand why some people say stay in the job you love, but by the sounds of it, the thing you enjoy is the people you work with and who's to say the manager won't leave tomorrow and a the new boss suddenly changes everything - suddenly it could all turn to shit! I've been there myself in 2 different jobs. 1 especially which was in retail was tough, i was at school but working weekends and the manager essentially let me be the weekend supervisor as we didn't have one, he new i was good and we got on, so he let me get on with it. A few months down the line, he gets promoted and the assistant manager is promoted, suddenly i'm getting the exact opposite because she wants to knock me back down to where i should be in her eyes, and that's not acting up (even though it would have made her job easier). I'm also coming from the point of view where i'm trying to move up as much as i can as i have a mortgage and plan to have kids! It's entirely your decision but remember, things always change and you don't know whats around the corner! so whatever will be best for you! Edit: Sorry if that doesn't make the most sense! rushing a reply at the end of my lunch break! hope you get the gist of it though!!
Captain... Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 From what you have said, and presuming you are quite young and looking to move forward the future, I personally would take the new job! You may love it even more than your current one, or you may hate it! Its always a risk but who's to say, even if you hate it, a better job won't come up a few years down the line time that you will love and get paid for more! I understand why some people say stay in the job you love, but by the sounds of it, the thing you enjoy is the people you work with and who's to say the manager won't leave tomorrow and a the new boss suddenly changes everything - suddenly it could all turn to shit! I've been there myself in 2 different jobs. 1 especially which was in retail was tough, i was at school but working weekends and the manager essentially let me be the weekend supervisor as we didn't have one, he new i was good and we got on, so he let me get on with it. A few months down the line, he gets promoted and the assistant manager is promoted, suddenly i'm getting the exact opposite because she wants to knock me back down to where i should be in her eyes, and that's not acting up (even though it would have made her job easier). I'm also coming from the point of view where i'm trying to move up as much as i can as i have a mortgage and plan to have kids! It's entirely your decision but remember, things always change and you don't know whats around the corner! so whatever will be best for you! Edit: Sorry if that doesn't make the most sense! rushing a reply at the end of my lunch break! hope you get the gist of it though!! I don't see the fact that his current could turn to shit to be a factor. If his current job turns to shit then he can leave, he's already shown he is capable of getting another job. If his current one goes to shit then he will be even more motivated to move and would have no problem getting a new job.At the op it would help if you told us what you do, and what you want to do with your life. If you have big plans or a specific goal. Anyone who has ever had a shitty job that makes you hate yourself for 8 hours a day will know the value of a job that you enjoy.
RobHawk Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 I don't see the fact that his current could turn to shit to be a factor. If his current job turns to shit then he can leave, he's already shown he is capable of getting another job. If his current one goes to shit then he will be even more motivated to move and would have no problem getting a new job. At the op it would help if you told us what you do, and what you want to do with your life. If you have big plans or a specific goal. Anyone who has ever had a shitty job that makes you hate yourself for 8 hours a day will know the value of a job that you enjoy. who's to say these jobs are available all the time? Personally i work in an area where very few jobs come up for me to apply for to try and move forward! Missing 1 could mean another 2-3 year wait! The jobs market isn't the best right now so its not always that easy! Like you said though it depends what he does!
FoxLAD Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 Just a quick question for you guys. If you had the chance to do basically the same job you do now, but with a different title for a bit more money, would you take the opportunity. The only down sides are longer traveling (20mins longer) and maybe more hours. It got me thinking of the pros and cons, the pros being more money and a better job title/ description. The downside is that the job I've got now I actually love it, it's cushy and most of the time I'm having a laugh with the managers and customers. I don't understand why you don't take it? pretty much doing the job you love, getting paid more and a better title? the extra can't be that big of a problem for a promotion?
hairy Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 The fact that you attended an interview (I assume) says it all.
Rincewind Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 A new job title sometimes means a new contract. Are there any clauses in your new one? Are traveling expenses included in the 'extra'?
Jon the Hat Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 A new job title sometimes means a new contract. Are there any clauses in your new one? Are traveling expenses included in the 'extra'? He is talking about a new job with a new company.
Captain... Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 He is talking about a new job with a new company. Yes but the point is still valid, earning more take home pay doesn't always mean you are better off, depending on other benefits, pensions, bonus, travel allowance, contracted hours etc. There is also workers rights, starting a new job also means probation periods, less of a redundancy package should it all go tits up.
Jace Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 What's the job doing? I haven't been able to find an enjoyable job for 11 years
Rincewind Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 He is talking about a new job with a new company. Sorry I misunderstood. It's a lot how the hosiery industry changed though. Every time the bosses wanted us to accept something like new prices and additional procedures they offered new contracts. A security firm I was with changed their name three times when in trouble. If it's a new company I suppose it comes down to what is more important to you. Will you have the same camaraderie at a new place?
Guest MattP Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 It's a lot how the hosiery industry changed though. Every time the bosses wanted us to accept something like new prices and additional procedures they offered new contracts. A security firm I was with changed their name three times when in trouble. You spent your life in Hoisery and the industry is now dead in Leicester and then you worked for a security form who got in trouble so much they changed their name three times? You're not Nick Leeson are you?
Rincewind Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 You spent your life in Hoisery and the industry is now dead in Leicester and then you worked for a security form who got in trouble so much they changed their name three times? You're not Nick Leeson are you? does it show?
Guest MattP Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 does it show? I knew it. It's all a big cover, it was just too good.
Smudge Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 I'm not following the logic of applying for a job and then turning it down unless there's a really good reason. I wouldn't be telling my current boss I'd applied for a new position. Real advancement usually comes by leaving a company and moving on. Becoming part of the furniture and loyal, gets you only so far. That happened to me and was looked over for promotion because I was too useful in the job I did. I left them and 6 years later my old company invited me back at a status several levels higher and triple what I used to be on. I'm not suggesting you change jobs frequently, far from it but if there has been no change after 3-4 years it's time to be looking around. The foregoing only applies to you if you are ambitious, if you just want a living and are happy in what you do then stay where you are content, just don't moan about it when you get older. Your bed, you made it.
Captain... Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 I'm not following the logic of applying for a job and then turning it down unless there's a really good reason. I wouldn't be telling my current boss I'd applied for a new position. Real advancement usually comes by leaving a company and moving on. Becoming part of the furniture and loyal, gets you only so far. That happened to me and was looked over for promotion because I was too useful in the job I did. But do you not see how one leads to the other, you didn't tell your boss you were applying for other jobs and wanted to progress in your career, you didn't get the promotions/recognitions you believe you deserved. So you end up leaving for another company, they clearly liked you, if you had told your boss that you had been offered another job on these terms and were considering it and they didn't want you to leave you can be pretty sure they would have tried to match it. Or at least improved your offer, you don't have to move jobs to progress, but you can't expect to progress in a company if you don't fight for it.
Smudge Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 But do you not see how one leads to the other, you didn't tell your boss you were applying for other jobs and wanted to progress in your career, you didn't get the promotions/recognitions you believe you deserved. So you end up leaving for another company, they clearly liked you, if you had told your boss that you had been offered another job on these terms and were considering it and they didn't want you to leave you can be pretty sure they would have tried to match it. Or at least improved your offer, you don't have to move jobs to progress, but you can't expect to progress in a company if you don't fight for it. Yes I do see your point and in fact thought that that might be an option for him. I even thought about giving you a rep. I then I reconsidered it and came to the conclusion that isn't a good idea unless you are absolutely sure your boss would take it the right way. Maybe I should have said that. In any even if he hands in his notice and the incumbent boss really wants him, maybe he'll give him some inducement to stay.
Captain... Posted 5 September 2013 Posted 5 September 2013 Yes I do see your point and in fact thought that that might be an option for him. I even thought about giving you a rep. I then I reconsidered it and came to the conclusion that isn't a good idea unless you are absolutely sure your boss would take it the right way. Maybe I should have said that. In any even if he hands in his notice and the incumbent boss really wants him, maybe he'll give him some inducement to stay. Well I've only tried it once and got a raise, mainly cos I was being said shit, but as a general rule, unless you are shit at your job, it is better value to keep someone and pay more than it is to bring in someone new paying at least market rate, possibly more to attract the best candidate, train them up and wait for them to get to the standard of the current employee. Finally they can't legally penalise you for asking for a pay rise, and if you already have a job lined up you have nothing to lose. If they say no they can't give you any incentive to stay then you take the new job.
Smudge Posted 6 September 2013 Posted 6 September 2013 Well I've only tried it once and got a raise, mainly cos I was being said shit, but as a general rule, unless you are shit at your job, it is better value to keep someone and pay more than it is to bring in someone new paying at least market rate, possibly more to attract the best candidate, train them up and wait for them to get to the standard of the current employee. Finally they can't legally penalise you for asking for a pay rise, and if you already have a job lined up you have nothing to lose. If they say no they can't give you any incentive to stay then you take the new job. Try as I might at 10:16 US time I can't follow that. To be honest I can't comprehend that what ever the time. In the end, it's impossible to advise someone without all the facts and innuendo of the circumstances, so I should probably have said nothing
Jordan Posted 6 September 2013 Posted 6 September 2013 I'd take that offer in a heartbeat considering I've just been given what I call "an offer you can't refuse" to take a different job within my same company for the same pay but I'll have to travel an extra 30 minutes each way.
Ric Flair Posted 6 September 2013 Posted 6 September 2013 Take the payrise, stick the 16% increase on a single number on roulette. When it loses, stick loads more on until you're in ruins and then end up jobless and homeless. Write a book about it, mentioning FoxesTalk and the advice you were given and retire on the dough you earn. It's as easy as that kid.
The People's Hero Posted 6 September 2013 Posted 6 September 2013 If homeless, might get a guest spot on raDNO or whatever it is ? Could be worse. Go for it.
Merging Cultures Posted 6 September 2013 Posted 6 September 2013 I used to advocate for moving on and getting more. However, I've have experienced times where the new company I've moved to has not been great, the job was worse (even with the salary increase). I've also had family who have left jobs after 25 years with a company and the new one resize and operate a last in, first out policy. Do research on the new company. Look at their public finances, make sure they are in a stable period. Speak to some people there of possible. Go visit the office if you can.
Ric Flair Posted 6 September 2013 Posted 6 September 2013 If homeless, might get a guest spot on raDNO or whatever it is ? Could be worse. Go for it. I recently went to see a secret nucleur bunker in Stoke Golding, Leicestershire. He could always kip in there whilst he waits for the book to publish.
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