AnotherShitSeason Posted 15 October 2013 Posted 15 October 2013 I genuinely didn't with that last question . Although I seemed to have touched a nerve with you... Nope. I'm just saying what everyone is thinking.
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 I really wouldn't start the pedantic bollocks with your standard of spelling. You judge people by how successful they are in business when it suits you and look down on students. No, That was caused by a student, implying he was superior to me due to his university studies. So do not start that Sh1t with me, so what is success based on then? there are plenty of uni students working in tesco. They do not imply to be superior because they have a degree, You may want to re-read that thread, you will notice it was the student that started the superiority war.
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 Only a moron would come up with shite like Mourinho was lucky to get the jobs he as, and Pearson would have won as much as Mourinho if he was as lucky as him. You just can't get round the fact that Pearson is not a winner can you. Keep you insults to yourself you twat. The irony. He won league one. Winner. 3 seasons with us, 1 TITLE, 2 near promotions. Good job you are not a judge, you would hang them before they finish the oath, Can you remind us how long it took fergie to win a trophy at one of the biggest clubs in the world? Obviously fergie was not a 'Winner' I'm not struggling to get round the fact that pearson is not a 'Winner' becuase; A) He is. He's proven that. B) How many seasons has he managed us? sorry, we're not in europe yet. He must be a failure. You have given your opinion with no fact, or infact any argument, you ignore all the questions. If you have an opinion, back it up with reasonable reasons why!
hackneyfox Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 So do not start that Sh1t with me, Oooooh You pulled someone up over their spelling, I merely pointed out that you weren't really in a good position to do so.
hackneyfox Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 The irony. He won league one. Winner. 3 seasons with us, 1 TITLE, 2 near promotions. Good job you are not a judge, you would hang them before they finish the oath, Can you remind us how long it took fergie to win a trophy at one of the biggest clubs in the world? Obviously fergie was not a 'Winner' I'm not struggling to get round the fact that pearson is not a 'Winner' becuase; A) He is. He's proven that. B) How many seasons has he managed us? sorry, we're not in europe yet. He must be a failure. You have given your opinion with no fact, or infact any argument, you ignore all the questions. If you have an opinion, back it up with reasonable reasons why! Winning League 1 over 3 years ago does not make him a winner. He needs to improve on that, we're all hoping he does, just a few of us aren't that confident he will at which point a few would like to see the back of him.
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 You appear desperate after having your cage rattled, and becoming abusive. Not really abuse, Some people need a backbone, If you read through you will see plenty of abuse from the man you are defending, I'm just sick of people coming on here spouting opinions without any reason to even have them. At least when I have a view I state why, this guy came on here with no reasoning as to why he stated his opinion. and avoided ALL questions as to why he has that view and what that view is based on.. Very simple. and could you please point out at what point I was deemed 'Desperate' Desperately trying to get an answer out of the person who is talking complete shlte... I.e telling everyone they are incorrect, and not stating why. You will notice also, I CLEARLY STATED, that whenever i have an opinion, right or wrong, I give reasons to my views. controversial? Yes. but you always get a reason, I could easily do what BNET has done and say "DT YOU ARE WRONG, YOU ARE AN IDIOT FOR THINKING THAT" then when you ask me why, avoid all answers. Maybe if i started posting unstructured and unreasoned comments on here you may defend me
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 Winning League 1 over 3 years ago does not make him a winner. He needs to improve on that, we're all hoping he does, just a few of us aren't that confident he will at which point a few would like to see the back of him. Hackney, Did he win a title? Yes. It doesnt make him a consistent winner, BUT HE WON. He's been here how long? A man takes over 7 years of poor football. debt, and problems. Deals with an owner who will not back the team. improves the team 10 fold, on smaller wages, with more potential. But fails to win back-to-back promotion (Because that is so simple and EVERYONE does it) So he is not a 'winner' ? this is mad, Ferguson took over one of the biggest clubs in europe, and how long did he have to win? I really cannot understand this! give someone 3 years and 'EXPECT' premiership football, even though we have been out of the premiership for 10 years? I wouldn't EXPECT anything.
hackneyfox Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 Hackney, Did he win a title? Yes. It doesnt make him a consistent winner, BUT HE WON. He's been here how long? A man takes over 7 years of poor football. debt, and problems. Deals with an owner who will not back the team. improves the team 10 fold, on smaller wages, with more potential. But fails to win back-to-back promotion (Because that is so simple and EVERYONE does it) So he is not a 'winner' ? this is mad, Ferguson took over one of the biggest clubs in europe, and how long did he have to win? I really cannot understand this! give someone 3 years and 'EXPECT' premiership football, even though we have been out of the premiership for 10 years? I wouldn't EXPECT anything. Which owner didn't back him? He's hardly been short of funds during his time here. Failed to win back to back promotions? We failed to go up last season, which wouldn't have been back to back, and that for me his biggest failing, that promotion was in the bag until that run which he failed to turnaround. Too long with low expectations, some of us rememeber our club being in and out of the top division on a regular basis, I don't have the patience to keep giving someone chances, if he fails this season then he goes imo. I would have sacked him last season with 12 or so games to go. He's here for this season so I hope he does well.
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 Which owner didn't back him? He's hardly been short of funds during his time here. Failed to win back to back promotions? We failed to go up last season, which wouldn't have been back to back, and that for me his biggest failing, that promotion was in the bag until that run which he failed to turnaround. Too long with low expectations, some of us rememeber our club being in and out of the top division on a regular basis, I don't have the patience to keep giving someone chances, if he fails this season then he goes imo. I would have sacked him last season with 12 or so games to go. He's here for this season so I hope he does well. Mandaric, And if you need reference, look at Sheff wednesday, We all know manderic buys clubs, gets promoted, sells. its business not passion, and he gives money to the club, then when he realises the value is dropping, they get no more. the low expectations come from other managers! Nige being in charge has given us the only reason for 'Expectation' because of the way he has turned our club around from a league 1 team in a poor league, to a championship contender. And I agree, if he fails this year, He goes. But we cannot say he is a 'Not a winner' after 3 seasons, The same was done to bale. £3m left back spurs flop, to the most expensive player in the world! Took him years to get going!! and for the record, I do realise it would not be back to back promotions, I'm just using that as an example, as people like BNET started slagging him after the first play-off failure! agree with promotion being in the bag, I put it down to the manager faults, and also the immature squad.
Fox92 Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 I'm loving this 'he isnt a winner' stuff. Literally, one of the the most pointless arguments I've heard.
hackneyfox Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 I slagged him after the first play-off failure, I think most did, he bottled it in the home leg.
Dan Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 Your not very bright are you ! as Mourinho ever won anything else ? as Pearson ? Let me explain, to be a winner you don't have to win every single thing, but you have to be capable of winning them and this capability comes from previously winning things, your great leader hasn't won anything. 15 years in the job and he's got division 3, with one of the biggest and richest clubs ever to be in that division. You are just talking like an idiot. Pearson is NOT a winner, its a fact , theres is proof, Mourinho is a winner he as trophies to prove it, please go away and google the word winner ffs. Newsflash, we're not a massive club, we are in no position to demand this 'winner' you crave so badly. Pearson's about as near to it as we'll get.
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 Newsflash, we're not a massive club, we are in no position to demand this 'winner' you crave so badly. Pearson's about as near to it as we'll get. Voice of reason
indierich06 Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 You appear desperate after having your cage rattled, and becoming abusive. Otherwise known as the 'DANGEROUS TIGER' special.
hackneyfox Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 Newsflash, we're not a massive club, we are in no position to demand this 'winner' you crave so badly. Pearson's about as near to it as we'll get. 8th biggest city in the country means we can have certain expectations and as a club we have spectacularly underachieved for 10 seasons.
Guest Col city fan Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 8th biggest city in the country means we can have certain expectations and as a club we have spectacularly underachieved for 10 seasons. Can't argue with that. God, the expectation of some of our fans and posters on here is amazingly small. People seem content to drift around in the Championship for over a decade and 'slowly build' . Well if ten years ain't slowly I dunno what is. However, I do generally rate Nige and am still happy he's improving things.
sylofox Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 Can't argue with that. God, the expectation of some of our fans and posters on here is amazingly small. People seem content to drift around in the Championship for over a decade and 'slowly build' . Well if ten years ain't slowly I dunno what is. However, I do generally rate Nige and am still happy he's improving things. Well said col
Harry - LCFC Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 Can't argue with that. God, the expectation of some of our fans and posters on here is amazingly small. People seem content to drift around in the Championship for over a decade and 'slowly build' . Well if ten years ain't slowly I dunno what is. However, I do generally rate Nige and am still happy he's improving things. I know what you mean, the club has definitely under achieved but the thing is we haven't actually been building for most of those ten years. We started in late 2008, had the process interrupted, and then started again in 2012. This makes it easy to think that 'building slowly' hasn't worked given that we haven't been in the PL for such a long time when really it does work, it's just that we've only been doing it for a short period of time.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 Hackney, Did he win a title? Yes. It doesnt make him a consistent winner, BUT HE WON. He's been here how long? A man takes over 7 years of poor football. debt, and problems. That 7 years of poor football, includes Pearson himself. You indicate that three years is not long enough to be good enough to be a winner. Mon was a genius in that case, and Sven didn't have enough time to do the business. This is what your statement infers. Deals with an owner who will not back the team. improves the team 10 fold, on smaller wages, with more potential. But fails to win back-to-back promotion (Because that is so simple and EVERYONE does it) So he is not a 'winner' ? this is mad, Ferguson took over one of the biggest clubs in europe, and how long did he have to win? I really cannot understand this! give someone 3 years and 'EXPECT' premiership football, even though we have been out of the premiership for 10 years? I wouldn't EXPECT anything.
hackneyfox Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 Can't argue with that. God, the expectation of some of our fans and posters on here is amazingly small. People seem content to drift around in the Championship for over a decade and 'slowly build' . Well if ten years ain't slowly I dunno what is. However, I do generally rate Nige and am still happy he's improving things. That's the big split though isn't it, for most on here Pearson has been the most successful manager they have seen. I've been lucky enough to see us get promoted under Wallace, Milne, Little, O'Neill & Adams and to see the last season under Bloomfield. I've been unlucky enough to see us under McLintock, Pleat, Taylor, Bassett & Adams plus the motley crew we;ve had to endure over last 10 seasons.
hackneyfox Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 I know what you mean, the club has definitely under achieved but the thing is we haven't actually been building for most of those ten years. We started in late 2008, had the process interrupted, and then started again in 2012. We've only been moving forward in the right manner for around two years rather than ten. This makes it easy to think that 'building slowly' hasn't worked given that we haven't been in the PL for such a long time when really it does work, it's just that we've only been doing for a short period of time. We haven't voluntarily chosen not to build so let's not use that as an excuse. It doesn't matter what the reasons are and we shouldn't be held back by bullshit about how poor previous managers are, we are not where we should be and haven't been for 10 seasons.
Harry - LCFC Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 We haven't voluntarily chosen not to build so let's not use that as an excuse. It doesn't matter what the reasons are and we shouldn't be held back by bullshit about how poor previous managers are, we are not where we should be and haven't been for 10 seasons. Yes I agree with that, we should have done better than we have done, much better. I was just trying to make the point that building up gradually does work and that we hadn't really been doing that until five years ago. What if it Pearson had been here for all of those ten years and been allowed to do what he's doing now?
Guest Col city fan Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 That's the big split though isn't it, for most on here Pearson has been the most successful manager they have seen. I've been lucky enough to see us get promoted under Wallace, Milne, Little, O'Neill & Adams and to see the last season under Bloomfield. I've been unlucky enough to see us under McLintock, Pleat, Taylor, Bassett & Adams plus the motley crew we;ve had to endure over last 10 seasons. I do think it's probably an age thing. Most of us 'older' guys have seen success whereas the younger guys haven't really.We've seen continuous success under Little and obviously Martin, whereas the last ten years or so, by comparison have been dross. A great example of this was all the excitement about Sven, which was hugely apparent at the time. Then he went and fooked it up and those who had seen genuinely good City teams, really weren't that surprised. It's time now for some more success for the club. We've been average, or worse, for long enough.
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 October 2013 Posted 16 October 2013 Can't argue with that. God, the expectation of some of our fans and posters on here is amazingly small. People seem content to drift around in the Championship for over a decade and 'slowly build' . Well if ten years ain't slowly I dunno what is. However, I do generally rate Nige and am still happy he's improving things. I do agree, but not with the amount of years, we spent 7 years declining.. then under nigel improving
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