Sven's book

[The Horse's Mouth]

I'll hold my hands up!

I thought/think Pearson fooked up good and proper last season. To stick with Keane (weak) and Kane were two mistakes. I said so then, I'll say so now.

What I also said at the start of LAST season was it wouldn't be until THIS season that he started to over-turn some of Sven's mistakes, so actually, to get to the play-offs last season was a surprise, to me.

I feel vindicated..... THIS season we are starting to look the side that I thought we could. But, as I've said, I'm still taking every game one at a time.

I've got a good feeling this year and I hope our solid, hard-work performances continue to churn out results.

However, having reached the level of form we did last season, to somehow, inexplicably, let it slide in the way it did was bizarre.

Here's the rub.... I think Pearson has learnt from his errors last season. Nothing I see now makes me think otherwise. And THAT was the best I could hope for.

you're so full of crap

[pazzerfox]

Which doesn't really address the point, but thanks for trying.......

The point I was trying to make is that any dissent about current players or management is reacted to with venom and accusations of non support and personal insults - the same weapons used to rubbish most of what has happened in the past ten years except the NP era, however poor some of it has clearly been.

On SGE - it wasn't 'our' money he supposedly squandered, it was King Powers and I would suggest they went into that as all business men would, with an air of specualtion and ambition. This support for him was shown after a fairly impressive escape from relegation and near play off bid but abandoned before it could take any sort of shape and so we will never know what could have happened next.

It is part of the fun of supporting a football club, what will suprise me for ever though is the worship of NP who has done no more than what he has been told to do players contract wise by the bosses (and been vocally unhappy about it several times, suggesting he would spend as well if he had the chance) when really he has only received the same sort of criticism for previous failings in the past three seasons for us as any manager of any team would, including Arsene Wenger FFS.

That the first consistent run backed by a number of good displays is heralded as proof that King Power knew all along they were doing the right thing (not to mention the sycophantic nature of the threads dedicated to this) still winds me up (wum wummed eh?) and i remain baffled how NP managed to go through such a poor run last season and survive when bigger and better managers have paid for such mediocrity with their heads for much better performances.

Still, no one comes on a message board just to say how happy they are 20,0000 times do they?

Nothing would have taken shape with Beckford, Danns and Mills in the side, partly proven by the state of Bolton at the minute!

[Harry - LCFC]

Ta.

 

You did miss the bit where you thought Pearson should definitely go, but yeah otherwise....

[Guest Col city fan]

you're so full of crap

Nope.. Go back through the threads.. You'll see..

It's not my fault if I get it right.. No need to go all mardy about it is there..

[Mark_w]

Nothing would have taken shape with Beckford, Danns and Mills in the side, partly proven by the state of Bolton at the minute!

 

I'd just like to hold my hands up and say that I always knew those three were overrated.

[Guest Col city fan]

I'd just like to hold my hands up and say that I always knew those three were overrated.

No you didn't! You always loved Beckford!

[Guest Col city fan]

You did miss the bit where you thought Pearson should definitely go, but yeah otherwise....

Well even I can have a bad day. I must of been in a mood that day...

[Harry - LCFC]

Well even I can have a bad day. I must of been in a mood that day...

 

I'll let the great predictor have one mistake I suppose 

[Guest Col city fan]

I'll let the great predictor have one mistake I suppose

Bless ya...

[The Horse's Mouth]

Nope.. Go back through the threads.. You'll see..

It's not my fault if I get it right.. No need to go all mardy about it is there..

I'm not going to look through all your deluded drivel just to come up with nothing. 

[Dan]

According to Dortmund fans, he's actually gay.

 

Every time their PA bloke shouts Sven, they all shout 'BENDER'? 

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

Totally agree with Todgers post.

Total utter conman Sven is.

[Guest MattP]

I'd bet good money Sven has had a homosexual experience at some point in his life.

He'd be the receiver though, being the one time in his life he was the one being fcuked.

[Prospero]

I'm not going to look through all your deluded drivel just to come up with nothing. 

 

Show some respect won't ya. When you have made 11529 posts you will be in a position to be always right and will have offered so many opinions that whatever happens in the future you foresaw it in the past.

[seenitall]

And:

I think it comes down to you not understanding what hypocrisy is. Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing another, or saying/doing different things I appease different people- it isn't supporting one manager and not another.

The club absolutely isn't perfect, but it is a damn sight stronger now than it was under Sven. If you don't think this squad is stronger this season than it was last, which was stronger than the year before, then I don't know what game you're watching. If all you do is check the paper for our league position and use that to make your opinion, then what's the point?

If your 'shooting for the stars' involves signing nomarks for massive wages and hoping we turn into Chelsea, then you're a (wait for it) moron, and welcome to your opinion.

Finally:

You think people shout you down because they are blindly loyal to the club and refuse to admit to themselves that SGE is 100 times the man that NP is?? The real answer is that your opinion is facile, and they disagree with it. You make wild leaps of logic in your argument, and post smugly.

There are all kinds of opinion on here, many of which I don't particularly agree with, but you always seem to be wrong, vague, provocative and smug. Please take it personally. It isn't that you "went there" as we can't bear it-it's just that you're wrong.

I'm not bothered about being shouted down, its a message board FFS but you epitomise the kind of poster that drags the board down for me, rather than be able to countenance an opinion that differs to yours you have to go mardy and insult me......do you hit people in the pub when you don't agree with them?

So 'wrong' means 'don't agree with you', 'vague' means you are struggling to understand me as I am anything but, 'provocative' means I don't agree with the sycophants and 'smug', well wouldn't you be if you were proved right so many times in a row

[seenitall]

A complete contrast in style. It boils down to a big opinion split between me and you here but I've always rated Pearson.

 

It isn't hypocrisy. It's simply preferring Pearson to the others. I personally think it's extremely harsh to completely lay into Pearson given that he really hasn't done that badly here

 

I never spoke badly of Pearson after he'd gone.

But this isnt really about Nige is it.....it is about his following demanding total respect and belief from everyone on here and damning anyone who dare criticise him with the aforementioned insults. Our opnions differ but I generally read your posts along with a few others because you see things differently but in my opinion sometimes wrongly, as I am sure your opinion would be of me.

The hypocrisy of which I speak is that which can see no wrong in the current set up, is aghast at any criticism and decries it as anti fan but is comfortable, in this thread particularly, slagging team, owners, manager and fans from previous incarnations off. They effectively have appointed them selves 'real fans' and somehow their version of events must be adhered to at all times...

It is usually followed by some tripe about 13th, spending millions etc etc, or not spending enough, or Holloway was crap, Megson was crap, Sven was crap, Adams was nearly crap etc etc

I am comfortable criticising the team and the set up in the board room and always will be if it deserves it, equally comfortable lavishing praise where it is deserved. Nige is finally living up the job, I felt for the first time in the Watford game and there seems to be a belief in the players that was missing for most of the past 2 seasons. Previous to this we have been poor almost every time I have seen us, which admittedly is not asmuch as I used to.

However, to suggest any idiot could have kept us up post Sousa is plainly wrong and to suggest that any manager could integrate numerous new players in a quarter of a season is also wrong, what you might call revisionist.

Finally, I followed City closely during the Little- Adams period, season tickets most seasons and even a box for three seasons. I consider our placing in this division a travesty and believe we are more than capable of being a mid table Prem club. We a not and I'll be cheering us on/moaning about lack of ambition until we are - you don't half get slagged off on here for believing that

[Guest Col city fan]

I'm not going to look through all your deluded drivel just to come up with nothing.

Ah.. Another poster who favours the term 'deluded'...

Do you know what it even means? Give us your layman's definition.

[Dickov22]

It's unbelievable how highly regarded he was as an England manager. The best squad we'd had for generations and he's lauded for reaching three consecutive quarter-finals. If ever there were a manager who refused to changed the team based on reputations, it's him. "Scholes out-wide" has been done to death, but justifiably so. All so he could fit in his favourites.

Absolute conman, still living off winning the league with Lazio in 2000. His spell with Man City was praised after finishing 8th with a squad built on millions of Shinawatra's supposed money. Spending £40m on 3 players he'd never seen play. An 8-1 thrashing at Middlesbrough was quickly ignored by his disciples.

He did a poor job here like Man City, Mexico and in my opinion England. He wasn't deluded, he knew full well he wasn't a good manager and conned every foreign owner he could, based on managing Benfica, Lazio and England. The only hope he had was spunking millions upon millions of pounds. Even Hartlepool saw right through him

Spot on. Let's not forget how utterly gutless we were as a side under his leadership. How we lacked ANY width, how we were filled with high earning, poor players. I remember Ipswich away in the snow- Sven cuddled up, cowering in the dug out whilst his opposite number Roy Keane practically in shorts and t shirt next to him, stood up pacing up and down the touch line. Just a pathetic man.

He wasted England's best chance since 66 to win anything- just look at the players we had in their prime. He was utterly useless. Remember him once describing Michael Owen pre a tournament ' he's absolutely on fire, playing the best I've ever seen him' Now.... Is that really the best way to describe a striker- a) it puts pressure on him to deliver b) if he is playing so well and is 'on fire' in training- why are you telling everyone (including opposition managers) about it! Brainless. Remember him making an absolute mockery of friendlies- he once subbed off ALL ELEVEN players at half time in one game. Thus proving he had no idea what it meant to play for England, and for the supporters. We were pathetic in all tournaments we played in under him.

He's a total football cretin. I cannot put into words my dislike for him. Hated him at England and was devastated when he turned up here. Knew exactly how it'd turn out, and he didn't disappoint.

He has no loyalty either; got caught by the papers when England boss having dinner with Peter Kenyon about the Chelsea job. Can you imagine Hodgson behaving in this manner?! Sven is a snake.

I'ts my opinion that he was a bigger disaster for us than Peter Taylor was. We are still feeling the pain financially of his poor signings and the fact he just couldn't say no to a player agent.

Delighted we now have a proper football manager at the club. He's done a brilliant job sorting out Sven's mess, it's almost a miracle that he's done so whilst turning us into a bloody good side.

[Oxfordfox83]

I'm not bothered about being shouted down, its a message board FFS but you epitomise the kind of poster that drags the board down for me, rather than be able to countenance an opinion that differs to yours you have to go mardy and insult me......do you hit people in the pub when you don't agree with them?

So 'wrong' means 'don't agree with you', 'vague' means you are struggling to understand me as I am anything but, 'provocative' means I don't agree with the sycophants and 'smug', well wouldn't you be if you were proved right so many times in a row

Nope.

You haven't dealt with your misunderstanding of the word hypocrisy. You haven't addressed the fact that we don't call ALL our former players/managers crap, just those we believe to be crap. And you haven't shown yourself capable of offering NP any praise whatsoever. The very few times you've made positive comments, there is always sarcasm or a barb in it.

I don't hit people, ever, and frankly I quite enjoy your posts. It's like trying to discuss religion with a true believer, whose argument shifts according to the time of day. And similar in levels of smugness "when you feel the touch of God, you'll know I was right..."

"wrong", in this instance, means someone who thinks two teams in the same league position are by definition equally good. "vague" means never being clear enough in your arguments to ever be held to account. "provocative" means you post primarily to wind people up, and "smug" means you seem very satisfied with yourself.

There you go, point by point, and no abuse. I can't wait for the equally clear and reasoned reply.

[indierich06]

How come its OK to slag off all the previous managers and players with as much venom and prejudice as you like but unforgiveable to do it to the current regime/team/owners and how does this make you a better fan than someone who perhaps preferred an earlier regime/owner/manager (that might even include Nige managing under Mandaric) to the current one and therefore must be a disabled/cvnt etc etc?

 

As I said before - look at the bigger picture, what this manager has done for the club in the past, what he's doing for the club right now and ask yourself why anyone would WANT to slag him off? Yeah, we had a shite run last season but he got absolute dog's abuse on here for it, so don't act like no-one ever criticises him, because he gets plenty of it.

 

As for the rest of them, yeah, I'm not surprised they get criticised! Craig Levein, Rob Kelly, Martin Allen, Gary Megson, Ian Holloway, Paulo Sousa and Sven Goran-Eriksson... what a list! Pearson's not even gotten us promoted, but he's head and shoulders above that sorry bunch. A complete collection of clowns.

[indierich06]

He has no loyalty either; got caught by the papers when England boss having dinner with Peter Kenyon about the Chelsea job. Can you imagine Hodgson behaving in this manner?! Sven is a snake.

 

And now he's saying he signed a contract to take over at Man United while he was England boss as well. The man is, like you said, a complete snake. He'd sell his own mother for a few more quid in his bank account.

[Dickov22]

As I said before - look at the bigger picture, what this manager has done for the club in the past, what he's doing for the club right now and ask yourself why anyone would WANT to slag him off? Yeah, we had a shite run last season but he got absolute dog's abuse on here for it, so don't act like no-one ever criticises him, because he gets plenty of it.

As for the rest of them, yeah, I'm not surprised they get criticised! Craig Levein, Rob Kelly, Martin Allen, Gary Megson, Ian Holloway, Paulo Sousa and Sven Goran-Eriksson... what a list! Pearson's not even gotten us promoted, but he's head and shoulders above that sorry bunch. A complete collection of clowns.

Spot on!

[Manwell Pablo]

But this isnt really about Nige is it.....it is about his following demanding total respect and belief from everyone on here and damning anyone who dare criticise him with the aforementioned insults. Our opnions differ but I generally read your posts along with a few others because you see things differently but in my opinion sometimes wrongly, as I am sure your opinion would be of me.

The hypocrisy of which I speak is that which can see no wrong in the current set up, is aghast at any criticism and decries it as anti fan but is comfortable, in this thread particularly, slagging team, owners, manager and fans from previous incarnations off. They effectively have appointed them selves 'real fans' and somehow their version of events must be adhered to at all times...

It is usually followed by some tripe about 13th, spending millions etc etc, or not spending enough, or Holloway was crap, Megson was crap, Sven was crap, Adams was nearly crap etc etc

I am comfortable criticising the team and the set up in the board room and always will be if it deserves it, equally comfortable lavishing praise where it is deserved. Nige is finally living up the job, I felt for the first time in the Watford game and there seems to be a belief in the players that was missing for most of the past 2 seasons. Previous to this we have been poor almost every time I have seen us, which admittedly is not asmuch as I used to.

However, to suggest any idiot could have kept us up post Sousa is plainly wrong and to suggest that any manager could integrate numerous new players in a quarter of a season is also wrong, what you might call revisionist.

Finally, I followed City closely during the Little- Adams period, season tickets most seasons and even a box for three seasons. I consider our placing in this division a travesty and believe we are more than capable of being a mid table Prem club. We a not and I'll be cheering us on/moaning about lack of ambition until we are - you don't half get slagged off on here for believing that

 

You don't just criticize though you post ill informed, over dramatic, poisonous crap, and had we be doing poorly you'd be lapping it up much in the way that you're currently having your face rubbed in it. So drop the martyr act, you deserve everything you get. 

[seenitall]

Nope.

You haven't dealt with your misunderstanding of the word hypocrisy. You haven't addressed the fact that we don't call ALL our former players/managers crap, just those we believe to be crap. And you haven't shown yourself capable of offering NP any praise whatsoever. The very few times you've made positive comments, there is always sarcasm or a barb in it.

I don't hit people, ever, and frankly I quite enjoy your posts. It's like trying to discuss religion with a true believer, whose argument shifts according to the time of day. And similar in levels of smugness "when you feel the touch of God, you'll know I was right..."

"wrong", in this instance, means someone who thinks two teams in the same league position are by definition equally good. "vague" means never being clear enough in your arguments to ever be held to account. "provocative" means you post primarily to wind people up, and "smug" means you seem very satisfied with yourself.

There you go, point by point, and no abuse. I can't wait for the equally clear and reasoned reply.

 

 

Hypocrisy in relation to my post means.....decrying anyone who dares to criticise the current set up whilst similarly decrying almost all previous managers. players and owners.  Couldn't be clearer and I'm not sure I could use smaller words.

 

"wrong", in this instance, means someone who thinks two teams in the same league position are by definition equally good. = Amazing - by what criteria do you  get your football success stories - were the league champions last year really Arsenal because they played more attractive football than Man Utd?

 

Vague - Nice and clear then, and consistent over the past 3 years (and please bear in mind you are reading these with hindsight) Sven sacked too early, Nige incapable off turning things around season 1 so we may have well continued with Sven - Nige starts well but ends up total dog shit with some of the worst players replacing 'over hyped and overpaid' players most of who would have done a better job than Kane et al, throws away promotion opportunity for a second season, Nige starts well points wise and last week in one of the admittedly few games I get to see, gets the lads to play well and so we are happy (me too, it was great). These have been my points - you don't have to read them or agree but you don't have to be rude either.

 

Provocative - there are two schools of thought on FT - one is the everything is better than it was and Nige is a God and the others - i am one of the others - I think that someone writing consistently 'In Nige We Trust' and having a smiley waving a scarf is pretty provocative to someone who is yet to trust him so by your standards everyone is provocative - its a message board

 

Smug - that is just another insult really - if by smug I think I have a valid point and won't have it beaten out of me by the truly smug (the NP brigade have got the award at the moment TBH) then I am neither more or less smug than anyone on here = you just want to vent your frustrations at someone who doesn't agree with you = welcome to FT

[seenitall]

You don't just criticize though you post ill informed, over dramatic, poisonous crap, and had we be doing poorly you'd be lapping it up much in the way that you're currently having your face rubbed in it. So drop the martyr act, you deserve everything you get. 

 

You have always been a bit contentious Manwell so there is no need to be nasty as well....why is my face rubbed in it?????? I love City winning as much as anyone (or is this the real fan stuff again). What a spiteful little man