Sven's book

[Dan]

Which doesn't really address the point, but thanks for trying.......

The point I was trying to make is that any dissent about current players or management is reacted to with venom and accusations of non support and personal insults - the same weapons used to rubbish most of what has happened in the past ten years except the NP era, however poor some of it has clearly been.

On SGE - it wasn't 'our' money he supposedly squandered, it was King Powers and I would suggest they went into that as all business men would, with an air of specualtion and ambition. This support for him was shown after a fairly impressive escape from relegation and near play off bid but abandoned before it could take any sort of shape and so we will never know what could have happened next.

It is part of the fun of supporting a football club, what will suprise me for ever though is the worship of NP who has done no more than what he has been told to do players contract wise by the bosses (and been vocally unhappy about it several times, suggesting he would spend as well if he had the chance) when really he has only received the same sort of criticism for previous failings in the past three seasons for us as any manager of any team would, including Arsene Wenger FFS.

That the first consistent run backed by a number of good displays is heralded as proof that King Power knew all along they were doing the right thing (not to mention the sycophantic nature of the threads dedicated to this) still winds me up (wum wummed eh?) and i remain baffled how NP managed to go through such a poor run last season and survive when bigger and better managers have paid for such mediocrity with their heads for much better performances.

Still, no one comes on a message board just to say how happy they are 20,0000 times do they?

 

What clubs? What clubs have made sackings that have resulted in far better for their club in the past year?

 

If we couldn't get anyone better than Pearson, then why sack him? Sentiment? Bullshit to it. You strike me as someone who'd be happier if we were currently 8th under a different manager than what we've actually got, simply because in that scenario we'd have punished Pearson for his failure.

[seenitall]

What clubs? What clubs have made sackings that have resulted in far better for their club in the past year?

 

If we couldn't get anyone better than Pearson, then why sack him? Sentiment? Bullshit to it. You strike me as someone who'd be happier if we were currently 8th under a different manager than what we've actually got, simply because in that scenario we'd have punished Pearson for his failure.

 

 

That is how I strike you but couldn't be further from the truth so I will have to work on my credentials for you.......

 

The revisionism goes on though from a large number of fans and like I keep saying, the hypocrisy is frightening

 

Who the hell said we should sack Pearson at the moment - ideally he would have walked at the end of last season or ideally for me (and this was just personal) at the end of the season before - if he fails this season get rid, if he gets us up at last we will be moving forward and if and when he goes then might be able to benefit from Prem status when getting his replacement so all good right now - there is only one thing worse than revisionism (and the entire period up to the play offs last year is constantly under revision it seems) and that is people answering the point they have in their head rather than read the actual post which was........ (in a nutshell)

 

How come its OK to slag off all the previous managers and players with as much venom and prejudice as you like but unforgiveable to do it to the current regime/team/owners and how does this make you a better fan than someone who perhaps preferred an earlier regime/owner/manager (that might even include Nige managing under Mandaric) to the current one and therefore must be a disabled/cvnt etc etc?

[Guest MattP]

Who the hell said we should sack Pearson at the moment - ideally he would have walked at the end of last season or ideally for me (and this was just personal) at the end of the season before -

 

 

I can vaguely understand wanting rid last season even though I don't agree but the season before? wtf.

 

He had been in the job about eight months and had a huge rebuilding job to do, only signings he had made were Morgan, Marshall and Drinkwater whilst offloading cow pat after cow pat.

 

When things were so clearly looking up and heading towards some sort of squad that had some financial stability as well as getting young talent in over old has beens how could you want rid?

 

It is clearly personal with you. He's doing a magnificent job and I'm sure most of us hope he is given a new contract ASAP, even if we lose in the play offs again I'm desperate to see him stay here for as long as possible.

[Harry - LCFC]

 Which goes back to the point that it is OK to slag of what we don't like about the club when it suits us but not alright when it doesn't = hypocrisy, which was the point I was making

 

It's not hypocrisy though.

 

Pearson is praised because he's taking the club forward. Sven is criticised because he dragged the club down. This has little to do with 'backing the club' or whatever, it's about people seeing someone who they believe is doing the right thing and backing him throughout the rough patches.

[The Horse's Mouth]

I think SGE is a good manager, but you have to be a certain type of manager and have to have experience in this division to be able to get out of it. The transfer policy Sven had was completely awful and was always going to end in tears. I think I compared it with Middlesborough a few seasons before with the vast signings of every SPL player known to man. The article was interesting and about the mother story, I would bet all the money in the world if that game wasn't against Man City and was against some team like Scunthorpe then Derek Faz would've been in charge for it. I honestly don't see how people can hate Pearson and I do find it hilarious how everyone loves him now. 

[Mark_w]

or ideally for me (and this was just personal) at the end of the season before.

 

Where did he touch you?

[Dan]

That is how I strike you but couldn't be further from the truth so I will have to work on my credentials for you.......

 

The revisionism goes on though from a large number of fans and like I keep saying, the hypocrisy is frightening

 

Who the hell said we should sack Pearson at the moment - ideally he would have walked at the end of last season or ideally for me (and this was just personal) at the end of the season before - if he fails this season get rid, if he gets us up at last we will be moving forward and if and when he goes then might be able to benefit from Prem status when getting his replacement so all good right now - there is only one thing worse than revisionism (and the entire period up to the play offs last year is constantly under revision it seems) and that is people answering the point they have in their head rather than read the actual post which was........ (in a nutshell)

 

How come its OK to slag off all the previous managers and players with as much venom and prejudice as you like but unforgiveable to do it to the current regime/team/owners and how does this make you a better fan than someone who perhaps preferred an earlier regime/owner/manager (that might even include Nige managing under Mandaric) to the current one and therefore must be a disabled/cvnt etc etc?

 

So what you're basically trying to say (or imagine), is that I spent the reigns under Sven, Sousa, Levein, Kelly etc... all absolutely up their arse because they happened to be Leicester's manager?

 

Wrong.

 

If you'd seen a single comment I made under any of the named managers that is blindly supporting what they do, then go ahead and quote it now.

[seenitall]

So what you're basically trying to say (or imagine), is that I spent the reigns under Sven, Sousa, Levein, Kelly etc... all absolutely up their arse because they happened to be Leicester's manager?

 

Wrong.

 

If you'd seen a single comment I made under any of the named managers that is blindly supporting what they do, then go ahead and quote it now.

 

 

No I'm not - I am saying.....

 

 

How come its OK to slag off all the previous managers and players with as much venom and prejudice as you like but unforgiveable to do it to the current regime/team/owners and how does this make you a better fan than someone who perhaps preferred an earlier regime/owner/manager (that might even include Nige managing under Mandaric) to the current one and therefore must be a disabled/cvnt etc etc?

 

If it is not OK then go with that - if it is OK then it is hypocrisy.

Where did he touch you?

 

Same place as Ulrika

[Happy Fox]

seenitalll is a women who would of thought it.

[seenitall]

It's not hypocrisy though.

 

Pearson is praised because he's taking the club forward. Sven is criticised because he dragged the club down. This has little to do with 'backing the club' or whatever, it's about people seeing someone who they believe is doing the right thing and backing him throughout the rough patches.

 

Which is revisionist. We were no further forward at the end of last season than the season under Sven or the few games at the beginning of his second season - still entrenched in Div 2

 

And it is your opinion whether it is the 'right thing' isn't it? based on your theory then Man City, Chelsea, Spurs and even Man Utd were wrong to use their owners money to try and build something glorious - there is a huge risk but that is what I follow football for, the excitement of shooting for the stars not the dullard safety of no name mid table plodders in a mid (Div 2) league...

 

Why does wanting something more exciting make me a cvnt or a WUM - being happy with mediocrity doesn't lead me to label you thus.

seenitalll is a women who would of thought it.

 Well that took a long time to work out..........

[Guest MattP]

Which is revisionist. We were no further forward at the end of last season than the season under Sven or the few games at the beginning of his second season - still entrenched in Div 2

 

Do you really believe football teams and where they are should be judged solely by this?

 

Do you not think Burnley are further forward than they were last year? Do you not think Arsenal look a bit further forward than they were last season.

 

The view of Leicester City/what division are we in = everything is the same is so black and white I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

[Dan]

No I'm not - I am saying.....

 

 

How come its OK to slag off all the previous managers and players with as much venom and prejudice as you like but unforgiveable to do it to the current regime/team/owners and how does this make you a better fan than someone who perhaps preferred an earlier regime/owner/manager (that might even include Nige managing under Mandaric) to the current one and therefore must be a disabled/cvnt etc etc?

 

If it is not OK then go with that - if it is OK then it is hypocrisy.

 

Same place as Ulrika

 

A complete contrast in style. It boils down to a big opinion split between me and you here but I've always rated Pearson.

 

It isn't hypocrisy. It's simply preferring Pearson to the others. I personally think it's extremely harsh to completely lay into Pearson given that he really hasn't done that badly here

 

I never spoke badly of Pearson after he'd gone.

[Harry - LCFC]

Which is revisionist. We were no further forward at the end of last season than the season under Sven or the few games at the beginning of his second season - still entrenched in Div 2

 

And it is your opinion whether it is the 'right thing' isn't it? based on your theory then Man City, Chelsea, Spurs and even Man Utd were wrong to use their owners money to try and build something glorious - there is a huge risk but that is what I follow football for, the excitement of shooting for the stars not the dullard safety of no name mid table plodders in a mid (Div 2) league...

 

Why does wanting something more exciting make me a cvnt or a WUM - being happy with mediocrity doesn't lead me to label you thus.

 Well that took a long time to work out..........

 

 

 

I'm on your side here, but you're not. Pearson is the one acquiring what you seek - excitement, promotion, glory - Sven was the one taking it away from you, leading us backwards, making it harder to progress. Maybe it is revisionist but looking back on what happened it's clear that this is the case, hindsight open's your eyes to things you couldn't see before.

[Oxfordfox83]

The revisionism goes on though from a large number of fans and like I keep saying, the hypocrisy is frightening

Who the hell said we should sack Pearson at the moment - ideally he would have walked at the end of last season or ideally for me (and this was just personal) at the end of the season before - if he fails this season get rid, if he gets us up at last we will be moving forward and if and when he goes then might be able to benefit from Prem status when getting his replacement so all good right now - there is only one thing worse than revisionism (and the entire period up to the play offs last year is constantly under revision it seems) and that is people answering the point they have in their head rather than read the actual post which was........ (in a nutshell)

How come its OK to slag off all the previous managers and players with as much venom and prejudice as you like but unforgiveable to do it to the current regime/team/owners and how does this make you a better fan than someone who perhaps preferred an earlier regime/owner/manager (that might even include Nige managing under Mandaric) to the current one and therefore must be a disabled/cvnt etc etc?

And:

"Which is revisionist. We were no further forward at the end of last season than the season under Sven or the few games at the beginning of his second season - still entrenched in Div 2

I think it comes down to you not understanding what hypocrisy is. Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing another, or saying/doing different things I appease different people- it isn't supporting one manager and not another.

The club absolutely isn't perfect, but it is a damn sight stronger now than it was under Sven. If you don't think this squad is stronger this season than it was last, which was stronger than the year before, then I don't know what game you're watching. If all you do is check the paper for our league position and use that to make your opinion, then what's the point?

If your 'shooting for the stars' involves signing nomarks for massive wages and hoping we turn into Chelsea, then you're a (wait for it) moron, and welcome to your opinion.

Finally:

How come its OK to slag off all the previous managers and players with as much venom and prejudice as you like but unforgiveable to do it to the current regime/team/owners and how does this make you a better fan than someone who perhaps preferred an earlier regime/owner/manager "

You think people shout you down because they are blindly loyal to the club and refuse to admit to themselves that SGE is 100 times the man that NP is?? The real answer is that your opinion is facile, and they disagree with it. You make wild leaps of logic in your argument, and post smugly.

There are all kinds of opinion on here, many of which I don't particularly agree with, but you always seem to be wrong, vague, provocative and smug. Please take it personally. It isn't that you "went there" as we can't bear it-it's just that you're wrong.

[Brenfox]

I think Sven was a great manager but lost it towards the end of his England reign. Calling up Walcott having never seen him play was ridiculous especially when Robbie Fowler had just returned to Liverpool & was scoring for fun at the time.

[Guest]

Is seenitall endearing himself/herself to the masses again?

[Guest Col city fan]

I'll hold my hands up!

I thought/think Pearson fooked up good and proper last season. To stick with Keane (weak) and Kane were two mistakes. I said so then, I'll say so now.

What I also said at the start of LAST season was it wouldn't be until THIS season that he started to over-turn some of Sven's mistakes, so actually, to get to the play-offs last season was a surprise, to me.

I feel vindicated..... THIS season we are starting to look the side that I thought we could. But, as I've said, I'm still taking every game one at a time.

I've got a good feeling this year and I hope our solid, hard-work performances continue to churn out results.

However, having reached the level of form we did last season, to somehow, inexplicably, let it slide in the way it did was bizarre.

Here's the rub.... I think Pearson has learnt from his errors last season. Nothing I see now makes me think otherwise. And THAT was the best I could hope for.

[Mark_w]

I'll hold my hands up!

I thought/think Pearson fooked up good and proper last season. To stick with Keane (weak) and Kane were two mistakes. I said so then, I'll say so now.

What I also said at the start of LAST season was it wouldn't be until THIS season that he started to over-turn some of Sven's mistakes, so actually, to get to the play-offs last season was a surprise, to me.

I feel vindicated..... THIS season we are starting to look the side that I thought we could. But, as I've said, I'm still taking every game one at a time.

I've got a good feeling this year and I hope our solid, hard-work performances continue to churn out results.

However, having reached the level of form we did last season, to somehow, inexplicably, let it slide in the way it did was bizarre.

Here's the rub.... I think Pearson has learnt from his errors last season. Nothing I see now makes me think otherwise. And THAT was the best I could hope for.

 

Well done for holding your hands up and admitting you got everything right.

[sylofox]

I'll hold my hands up!

I thought/think Pearson fooked up good and proper last season. To stick with Keane (weak) and Kane were two mistakes. I said so then, I'll say so now.

What I also said at the start of LAST season was it wouldn't be until THIS season that he started to over-turn some of Sven's mistakes, so actually, to get to the play-offs last season was a surprise, to me.

I feel vindicated..... THIS season we are starting to look the side that I thought we could. But, as I've said, I'm still taking every game one at a time.

I've got a good feeling this year and I hope our solid, hard-work performances continue to churn out results.

However, having reached the level of form we did last season, to somehow, inexplicably, let it slide in the way it did was bizarre.

Here's the rub.... I think Pearson has learnt from his errors last season. Nothing I see now makes me think otherwise. And THAT was the best I could hope for.

I think your correct we play different systems even with the same players.

He also seems to be using his subs better.

 

Hope he stays in the stands too then we don't see so much of his trainers

[Guest Col city fan]

Well done for holding your hands up and admitting you got everything right.

Ta.

[RonnieTodger]

It's unbelievable how highly regarded he was as an England manager. The best squad we'd had for generations and he's lauded for reaching three consecutive quarter-finals. If ever there were a manager who refused to changed the team based on reputations, it's him. "Scholes out-wide" has been done to death, but justifiably so. All so he could fit in his favourites.

 

Absolute conman, still living off winning the league with Lazio in 2000. His spell with Man City was praised after finishing 8th with a squad built on millions of Shinawatra's supposed money. Spending £40m on 3 players he'd never seen play. An 8-1 thrashing at Middlesbrough was quickly ignored by his disciples. 

 

He did a poor job here like Man City, Mexico and in my opinion England. He wasn't deluded, he knew full well he wasn't a good manager and conned every foreign owner he could, based on managing Benfica, Lazio and England. The only hope he had was spunking millions upon millions of pounds. Even Hartlepool saw right through him

[Corky]

Well done for holding your hands up and admitting you got everything right.

 

In fairness to Col I also thought we'd win League One at the first attempt, nearly get promoted again the next season, finish mid-table for a couple of years with a cup run thrown in and a play-off in the fourth season back. And before this campaign I thought everything was prime for a top two place after three months or so.

 

I also hold my hands up.

[pazzerfox]

Personally ... Hoddle yes far better ....

 

Sir Bobby .... No, never ..... a gentleman, a scholar, a winner, an honest and true Englishman ..... Noone ever beats Sir Bobby.

Do you base your judgment of a manager on how nice he is?

[Guest]

Do you base your judgment of a manager on how nice he is?

Everyone knows how white his trainers are is the most important yardstick

[Guest Col city fan]

In fairness to Col I also thought we'd win League One at the first attempt, nearly get promoted again the next season, finish mid-table for a couple of years with a cup run thrown in and a play-off in the fourth season back. And before this campaign I thought everything was prime for a top two place after three months or so.

I also hold my hands up.

Ooooooh old mr Grumpy....