Guest MattP Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 Many players have commented he is the best manager they have worked for in football even Heskey said he was the best tactically and Martin O Neill was the worst. He can't be all bad surely? If I was an average Championship player and I ended up on 25k a week for four years he would be my favourite manager as well.
Jace Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 If I was an average Championship player and I ended up on 25k a week for four years he would be my favourite manager as well. Great point
Kitchandro Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 Many players have commented he is the best manager they have worked for in football even Heskey said he was the best tactically and Martin O Neill was the worst. He can't be all bad surely? And yet who did he win more trophies under? That view is just too contradictory I'm afraid. Sven was given a bunch of talented players and was tactically outmaneuvered throughout his England reign, whilst O'Neill has forged a career out of getting success out of less than fantastic resources. The facts tell you who is a better tactician.
Ric Flair Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 No choice? He could have tried not spending £2.5M on a player he apparently didn't think was good enough. Us fans were apoplectic that a striker hadn't been signed, if we'd not got Beckford that transfer deadline day it would have been carnage. Can't you remember the expectancy that summer? About 64 pages on Nicky Maynard, about 40 on Shane Long. We were animals and we needed feeder by Svennis the zookeeper.
Strokes Posted 6 November 2013 Posted 6 November 2013 Haha he beat a 'poor' german side 5-1, so poor they only went to the final of the world cup 9 months later. Come on i get you dont like him but dont distort things.
Vlad the Fox Posted 6 November 2013 Posted 6 November 2013 He had to go. He'd spent a lot of money on poor players that were never good enough to sustain a challenge at the top of table. Sometimes you can see when someone is worth a bit more time and when when someone isn't but it's not easy to judge. I feel that Vichai and Top got it spot on regarding sacking Sven and then not sacking Pearson.
Guest MattP Posted 6 November 2013 Posted 6 November 2013 Haha he beat a 'poor' german side 5-1, so poor they only went to the final of the world cup 9 months later. Come on i get you dont like him but dont distort things. They were bad though! Had the easiest run to a WC final ever, USA and Korea were the toughest they faced. Khan and Ballack were brilliant but Ramelow, Jancker, Kuranyi etc were awful. They got to a final but they ripped the side apart after it.
Dan Posted 6 November 2013 Posted 6 November 2013 So a successful signing was completely his idea and the bad one was one he actually didn't want. I mean who would have thought it? I suppose he didn't want Mills, Danns, Pantsil, Ball and Johnson either. Will this guy ever take some responsibility for anything that goes wrong? Our owners sounds crackers mind, no wonder he was crying, he ego must have been flattened by being sacked by a kid. That article for me sums it up. We had the most money to spend in the entire division and were allowed to get ourselves into a position where we were 'desperate' enough to sign a player that Sven himself wasn't even sure about. What an absolute joke.
Dan Posted 6 November 2013 Posted 6 November 2013 ''Sven Goran Eriksson accuses Leicester City bosses of "cowardly" sacking in new autobiography'' http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Sven-Goran-Eriksson-accuses-Leicester-City-bosses/story-20035114-detail/story.html Very interesting article I'd love to know how it was 'cowardly'. Didn't realise we were the first club to sack him. The story of his Mum is very sad and so ironic from my own point of view that the same weekend - the same happened to my Grandad. Very odd that is. Honestly think he should've just gone to see his Mum and let Fazackerley or someone take over for that game. Pretty sure everyone would've understood.
Finnegan Posted 6 November 2013 Posted 6 November 2013 I think we all know what's going on here, big Sven's quite clearly gone and pinched MattP's missus.
21st Century Fox Posted 6 November 2013 Posted 6 November 2013 I think we all know what's going on here, big Sven's quite clearly gone and pinched MattP's missus. Reading between the lines, I assume you mean Sven took Mattp's regular slot at the knocking shop
Guest MattP Posted 6 November 2013 Posted 6 November 2013 I think we all know what's going on here, big Sven's quite clearly gone and pinched MattP's missus. My Mrs was older than Sven at the time he was here.
MrSpaM Posted 6 November 2013 Posted 6 November 2013 Not surprised players thought he was great, he let our squad get away with murder by the sounds of it. Players probably thought it was a right laugh!
Fox92 Posted 6 November 2013 Posted 6 November 2013 Not surprised players thought he was great, he let our squad get away with murder by the sounds of it. Players probably thought it was a right laugh! They must have, considering some of the performances.
seenitall Posted 7 November 2013 Posted 7 November 2013 What interests me here is the very thing the the Pro Pearson fellas go nuts over, that of berating a Leicester manager and how you can't be a real fan unless you believe in the manager and the team always, Leicester til I die etc you are a disabled/cvnt etc goes completely out of the window when it comes to any of the past ten managers. They don't really mean it do they, they mean they love Nige and everyone else has been crap and all our players have been crap until Nige came along. I think the word I am looking for is hypocritical and it will be interesting to see how these same guys react when Nige inevitably gets the elbow one day......will they support the club or all huff off and follow whatever Championship dross Nige goes to next? Cue hate mail......
Oxfordfox83 Posted 7 November 2013 Posted 7 November 2013 What interests me here is the very thing the the Pro Pearson fellas go nuts over, that of berating a Leicester manager and how you can't be a real fan unless you believe in the manager and the team always, Leicester til I die etc you are a disabled/cvnt etc goes completely out of the window when it comes to any of the past ten managers. They don't really mean it do they, they mean they love Nige and everyone else has been crap and all our players have been crap until Nige came along. I think the word I am looking for is hypocritical and it will be interesting to see how these same guys react when Nige inevitably gets the elbow one day......will they support the club or all huff off and follow whatever Championship dross Nige goes to next? Cue hate mail...... No hate mail, although I still think you're a WUM. Valid question though, if antagonistically phrased. Various people have argued that what NP and Sven achieved over the same time period as SGE's tenure were the same. I personally think that's ridiculous-Sven's team was a short term plan that failed a short term goal, where NP's was a long term plan that achieved too quickly and fell short of a revised goal. Which isn't to say the second half of last season wasn't awful, but it still left us in a position beyond where most of us expected. But that's a matter of opinion. What is not opinion is that Sven had more money to spend than any manager in our history, and spend he did. The return for this was he built a bang average side and left us with such debts and legacy contracts that we are still struggling to offload today. Was he worse than Taylor? No, clearly. But did he do more long term damage to the club than anyone since-I think so. That's not revisionism, but I don't think we appreciated the huge gambles he took with our club, its money and its future, most of which failed. When NP leaves, we will all support the club, obviously. How he leaves and what has gone on in the meantime will determine his legacy, but I expect the worst case scenario is that he'll be looked on as a fella who worked honestly and tirelessly to get us promoted while getting rid of the crap he inherited. Whether he gets us up or not, undoing Sven's work is a crucial step, and he appears to be doing a great job.
seenitall Posted 7 November 2013 Posted 7 November 2013 Which doesn't really address the point, but thanks for trying....... The point I was trying to make is that any dissent about current players or management is reacted to with venom and accusations of non support and personal insults - the same weapons used to rubbish most of what has happened in the past ten years except the NP era, however poor some of it has clearly been. On SGE - it wasn't 'our' money he supposedly squandered, it was King Powers and I would suggest they went into that as all business men would, with an air of specualtion and ambition. This support for him was shown after a fairly impressive escape from relegation and near play off bid but abandoned before it could take any sort of shape and so we will never know what could have happened next. It is part of the fun of supporting a football club, what will suprise me for ever though is the worship of NP who has done no more than what he has been told to do players contract wise by the bosses (and been vocally unhappy about it several times, suggesting he would spend as well if he had the chance) when really he has only received the same sort of criticism for previous failings in the past three seasons for us as any manager of any team would, including Arsene Wenger FFS. That the first consistent run backed by a number of good displays is heralded as proof that King Power knew all along they were doing the right thing (not to mention the sycophantic nature of the threads dedicated to this) still winds me up (wum wummed eh?) and i remain baffled how NP managed to go through such a poor run last season and survive when bigger and better managers have paid for such mediocrity with their heads for much better performances. Still, no one comes on a message board just to say how happy they are 20,0000 times do they?
Mark_w Posted 7 November 2013 Posted 7 November 2013 What interests me here is the very thing the the Pro Pearson fellas go nuts over, that of berating a Leicester manager and how you can't be a real fan unless you believe in the manager and the team always, Leicester til I die etc you are a disabled/cvnt etc goes completely out of the window when it comes to any of the past ten managers. They don't really mean it do they, they mean they love Nige and everyone else has been crap and all our players have been crap until Nige came along. I think the word I am looking for is hypocritical and it will be interesting to see how these same guys react when Nige inevitably gets the elbow one day......will they support the club or all huff off and follow whatever Championship dross Nige goes to next? Cue hate mail...... That's all I've ever said.
indierich06 Posted 7 November 2013 Posted 7 November 2013 What interests me here is the very thing the the Pro Pearson fellas go nuts over, that of berating a Leicester manager and how you can't be a real fan unless you believe in the manager and the team always, Leicester til I die etc you are a disabled/cvnt etc goes completely out of the window when it comes to any of the past ten managers. They don't really mean it do they, they mean they love Nige and everyone else has been crap and all our players have been crap until Nige came along. I think the word I am looking for is hypocritical and it will be interesting to see how these same guys react when Nige inevitably gets the elbow one day......will they support the club or all huff off and follow whatever Championship dross Nige goes to next? Cue hate mail...... Who, post-Adams, hasn't been a complete failure at this club? I like Pearson, but eve. He should have done a bit better than he has. The rest were all abject failures. Sven had the best chance in years to take us back to the big time and he frittered money away on players who are now propping up the league with teams like Bolton. To be fair though, he signed a few good ones in Schmeichel, Nugent and Konchesky. Anyway, by your criteria, surely Pearson should have been greeted with vitriol after he left last time? He certainly wasn't and a lot of people were disappointed, seeing all he'd done for the club when we were at our lowest ebb. It's funny how all the managers who get slagged off were ones who were absolute crap at this club, isn't it?
Oxfordfox83 Posted 7 November 2013 Posted 7 November 2013 Which doesn't really address the point, but thanks for trying....... The point I was trying to make is that any dissent about current players or management is reacted to with venom and accusations of non support and personal insults - the same weapons used to rubbish most of what has happened in the past ten years except the NP era, however poor some of it has clearly been. On SGE - it wasn't 'our' money he supposedly squandered, it was King Powers and I would suggest they went into that as all business men would, with an air of specualtion and ambition. This support for him was shown after a fairly impressive escape from relegation and near play off bid but abandoned before it could take any sort of shape and so we will never know what could have happened next. It is part of the fun of supporting a football club, what will suprise me for ever though is the worship of NP who has done no more than what he has been told to do players contract wise by the bosses (and been vocally unhappy about it several times, suggesting he would spend as well if he had the chance) when really he has only received the same sort of criticism for previous failings in the past three seasons for us as any manager of any team would, including Arsene Wenger FFS. That the first consistent run backed by a number of good displays is heralded as proof that King Power knew all along they were doing the right thing (not to mention the sycophantic nature of the threads dedicated to this) still winds me up (wum wummed eh?) and i remain baffled how NP managed to go through such a poor run last season and survive when bigger and better managers have paid for such mediocrity with their heads for much better performances. Still, no one comes on a message board just to say how happy they are 20,0000 times do they? In haste as off to work: it may not have been 'our' money, but it was our debt to them, and our club tied to overpaid failures. And there is more to it than results (there really is). If you're paying vast sums to loanees and PL journeymen and still achieving mediocrity, and there was no sign at any stage that thigs were coming together under Sven, then you're judged more harshly. When you're bringing through youth, buying cheap and selling expensive dross, you get more time. Also helps if the fans appreciated your fine work the previous stint and felt you shouldn't have been pushed then...
Oxfordfox83 Posted 7 November 2013 Posted 7 November 2013 Who, post-Adams, hasn't been a complete failure at this club? I like Pearson, but eve. He should have done a bit better than he has. The rest were all abject failures. Sven had the best chance in years to take us back to the big time and he frittered money away on players who are now propping up the league with teams like Bolton. To be fair though, he signed a few good ones in Schmeichel, Nugent and Konchesky. Anyway, by your criteria, surely Pearson should have been greeted with vitriol after he left last time? He certainly wasn't and a lot of people were disappointed, seeing all he'd done for the club when we were at our lowest ebb. It's funny how all the managers who get slagged off were ones who were absolute crap at this club, isn't it? Beat me to it...
seenitall Posted 7 November 2013 Posted 7 November 2013 Who, post-Adams, hasn't been a complete failure at this club? I like Pearson, but eve. He should have done a bit better than he has. The rest were all abject failures. Sven had the best chance in years to take us back to the big time and he frittered money away on players who are now propping up the league with teams like Bolton. To be fair though, he signed a few good ones in Schmeichel, Nugent and Konchesky. Anyway, by your criteria, surely Pearson should have been greeted with vitriol after he left last time? He certainly wasn't and a lot of people were disappointed, seeing all he'd done for the club when we were at our lowest ebb. It's funny how all the managers who get slagged off were ones who were absolute crap at this club, isn't it? Which goes back to the point that it is OK to slag of what we don't like about the club when it suits us but not alright when it doesn't = hypocrisy, which was the point I was making
Corky Posted 7 November 2013 Posted 7 November 2013 What interests me here is the very thing the the Pro Pearson fellas go nuts over, that of berating a Leicester manager and how you can't be a real fan unless you believe in the manager and the team always, Leicester til I die etc you are a disabled/cvnt etc goes completely out of the window when it comes to any of the past ten managers. They don't really mean it do they, they mean they love Nige and everyone else has been crap and all our players have been crap until Nige came along. I think the word I am looking for is hypocritical and it will be interesting to see how these same guys react when Nige inevitably gets the elbow one day......will they support the club or all huff off and follow whatever Championship dross Nige goes to next? Cue hate mail...... They will support the club, I don't remember people buggering off when Sousa was conceding 6 at Portsmouth and Sven was wasting millions of pounds in home defeats to Bristol City and Millwall. Pearson's not a God, he should've done better last season and there are no excuses if it happens again. I'll be pretty annoyed and have to take my Pearson posters off the walls if that occurs. Pearson has been closest to getting us out of this division at the top end, the rest conspired to have us towards League One (apart from Sven, who was happy enough in 13th, two points from the play-offs), so yeah, he gets a bit more leeway at the moment. If he fails this year then that will probably change and he will go. The fans will still be here, no man is bigger than the club, and I'm not particularly interested where he goes if the next bloke takes us to new heights. But for now, he's with us, winning games, scoring plenty of goals and being nice to Stringer in interviews. Keep the Faith.
Babylon Posted 7 November 2013 Posted 7 November 2013 Which goes back to the point that it is OK to slag of what we don't like about the club when it suits us but not alright when it doesn't = hypocrisy, which was the point I was making Who the hell has ever said you can't slag the club off? Nobody. Just because people don't agree with half of your comments, doesn't mean they think you have to think everything the club does is ok.
Dan Posted 7 November 2013 Posted 7 November 2013 What interests me here is the very thing the the Pro Pearson fellas go nuts over, that of berating a Leicester manager and how you can't be a real fan unless you believe in the manager and the team always, Leicester til I die etc you are a disabled/cvnt etc goes completely out of the window when it comes to any of the past ten managers. They don't really mean it do they, they mean they love Nige and everyone else has been crap and all our players have been crap until Nige came along. I think the word I am looking for is hypocritical and it will be interesting to see how these same guys react when Nige inevitably gets the elbow one day......will they support the club or all huff off and follow whatever Championship dross Nige goes to next? Cue hate mail...... I stood up for Pearson when he got pathetically shafted in a non-football related move the first time and continue to stand up for him now.
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