MC Prussian Posted 9 January 2014 Posted 9 January 2014 I'm pretty sure murder has always been a criminal act, these laws allow stupid exceptions, a bit like the one that states the Gary Linekar can walk his sheep through Leicester town center because he has the key to the city. But In any case that's not really the point. Nobody has been found guilty of it and executed in 40 plus years it's pretty safe to say it's a law that's not being enforced and therefore, totally irrelevant to this discussion and it is not a reason why they shouldn't host a football tournament. Perhaps you could tell me what they actually do to the Sikhs, Buddists, and Hindu's who reside in Qatar then who also remain their willingly despite the fact they are free to go anywhere they want. For a rogue state the oppresses all that are not Islamic there seem to be quite a lot of non Muslims living there quite happily according to the population figures..... I never spoke of "oppression". All I did was state that "attacks" don't have to manifest themselves physically and that not all of those incidents are reported, be it within the families or to the police/the authorities. The recent news of how the Qatari treat their Nepalese workers (who are funnily enough mostly Buddhists) by either not paying them at all, forcing them to work way beyond overtime or preventing them from leaving the country altogether (thanks to the genius sponsorship laws) suggests that racism is still a (massive) issue in that region of the world, but not very widely reported. Do you consider a country that still relies on stoning as punishment as "advanced"?
Uncle Albert Posted 9 January 2014 Posted 9 January 2014 Prussian your opinion became invalid when you mentioned Matt Jarvis going to Brazil..
MC Prussian Posted 9 January 2014 Posted 9 January 2014 Prussian your opinion became invalid when you mentioned Matt Jarvis going to Brazil.. Dear Uncle Albert, Please do get back to me when you have anything substantial to add to this thread. Thank you. Yours sincerely, MCP
Manwell Pablo Posted 9 January 2014 Posted 9 January 2014 I never spoke of "oppression". All I did was state that "attacks" don't have to manifest themselves physically and that not all of those incidents are reported, be it within the families or to the police/the authorities. The recent news of how the Qatari treat their Nepalese workers (who are funnily enough mostly Buddhists) by either not paying them at all, forcing them to work way beyond overtime or preventing them from leaving the country altogether (thanks to the genius sponsorship laws) suggests that racism is still a (massive) issue in that region of the world, but not very widely reported. Do you consider a country that still relies on stoning as punishment as "advanced"? Dunno why you've quoted this post it wasn't even aimed at you. Yes, but that is the case in Qatar and the UK, and I was under the impression that the recent news regarding the Neaplease workers turned out to be a total falsity? I again don't know why you've put quotation marks around advanced, they certainly aren't that and I haven't called them advance merely capable of hosting a football tournament as long as they can make it cool enough and it takes place at the correct time. Stoning is obviously something should be internationally outlawed but for third time, no country is perfect and the fact they still use it as a method of capital punishment is not a reason to not have the world cup there is it? The use of Capital punishment didn't stop the States getting it did it? Weren't they still using the chair there in some states at the time? Hardly humane. EDIT: and to be fair to them there are calls from Qatar to stop stoneing anyway isn't there? EDIT EDIT: Ok just looked it up and whilst it is in there laws somewhere, no one has ever been stoned in Qatar, so again, what a pointless remark Alex
MC Prussian Posted 9 January 2014 Posted 9 January 2014 Dunno why you've quoted this post it wasn't even aimed at you. Yes, but that is the case in Qatar and the UK, and I was under the impression that the recent news regarding the Neaplease workers turned out to be a total falsity? I again don't know why you've put quotation marks around advanced, they certainly aren't that and I haven't called them advance merely capable of hosting a football tournament as long as they can make it cool enough and it takes place at the correct time. Stoning is obviously something should be internationally outlawed but for third time, no country is perfect and the fact they still use it as a method of capital punishment is not a reason to not have the world cup there is it? The use of Capital punishment didn't stop the States getting it did it? Weren't they still using the chair there in some states at the time? Hardly humane. EDIT: and to be fair to them there are calls from Qatar to stop stoneing anyway isn't there? EDIT EDIT: Ok just looked it up and whilst it is in there laws somewhere, no one has ever been stoned in Qatar, so again, what a pointless remark Alex As for the current situation of foreign workers in Qatar: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/opinion/qatars-showcase-of-shame.html?_r=0 I used the stoning example as a sort of counter measure, because from your rather enthusiastic posts, one could get the impression that things in Qatar are all nice and dandy.
Manwell Pablo Posted 9 January 2014 Posted 9 January 2014 As for the current situation of foreign workers in Qatar: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/opinion/qatars-showcase-of-shame.html?_r=0 I used the stoning example as a sort of counter measure, because from your rather enthusiastic posts, one could get the impression that things in Qatar are all nice and dandy. Not at all. Show me a country where they are though Alex? (Bar possibly your own) It just seems the whole Qatar is evil thing has been blown out of proportion by the media/football fans to me. They aren't an evil Arab dicatorship like Iran there closer to a Kuwait or a Bahrain.
Captain... Posted 9 January 2014 Posted 9 January 2014 Mate of mine sometimes works in Qatar on archealogical digs, he's an atheist, he's never had any problems out there with regards his religion, and is permitted to drink in designated areas, such as hotels and tourist spots. He quite enjoys it. Doesn't mean it is ready to host a World Cup, but it is not as backwards as some are making out here, to be honest my greatest problem with it is its lack of footballing history and the logistical issues of hosting the Wolrd Cup in Qatar.
MC Prussian Posted 9 January 2014 Posted 9 January 2014 Not at all. Show me a country where they are though Alex? (Bar possibly your own) To come some sort of full circle is that Qatar should have never been awarded a World Cup in the first place. I would have loved FIFA to go the sensible route and give it to Australia, for instance. There are tons of countries better suited to host a World Cup tournament and who have a much more logical connection to and history with football. I'm not saying Qatar is bad per se, I just find the whole procedure between them and FIFA as well as the latest news stories astounding and somewhat shocking.
Manwell Pablo Posted 9 January 2014 Posted 9 January 2014 To come some sort of full circle is that Qatar should have never been awarded a World Cup in the first place. I would have loved FIFA to go the sensible route and give it to Australia, for instance. There are tons of countries better suited to host a World Cup tournament and who have a much more logical connection to and history with football. I'm not saying Qatar is bad per se, I just find the whole procedure between them and FIFA as well as the latest news stories astounding and somewhat shocking. Oh I agree, it's a silly choice, all things taken into account, doesn't mean they can't do a job if they sort out cool stadiums. I don't really see why Australia are seen as a such a fantastic alternative because they have some sort of fictional great footballing history, they call the game soccer ffs. But it overall would of been a more logical choice. Lets not forget I was arguing the toss with someone who described Qatar as a "terrible country" which it is far from. Not that it was the perfect choice for the World Cup.
Uncle Albert Posted 9 January 2014 Posted 9 January 2014 Dear Uncle Albert, Please do get back to me when you have anything substantial to add to this thread. Thank you. Yours sincerely, MCP And you're safely in the landing net..
bovril Posted 9 January 2014 Posted 9 January 2014 Not at all. Show me a country where they are though Alex? (Bar possibly your own) It just seems the whole Qatar is evil thing has been blown out of proportion by the media/football fans to me. They aren't an evil Arab dicatorship like Iran there closer to a Kuwait or a Bahrain. Iran Arab? That's Farsi-cal.
davieG Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 Influential football figures have backed proposals that could see the Qatar 2022 World Cup clash with the Winter Olympics. BBC Sport understands that talks at Fifa headquarters in Zurich resulted in support for a tournament held in January and February. No final decision was taken and, in theory, all options remain open. Fifa is adamant the tournament cannot take place in June and July because of extreme temperatures in Qatar. The world governing body's secretary general, Jerome Valcke, said January and February or November and December 2022 are the most likely dates for the tournament, but added there had been a request from the clubs "to consider May 2022". Fifa president Sepp Blatter and his International Olympic Committee counterpart Thomas Bach have previously agreed that their respective major events should not clash. Play media Jump media player Media player help Out of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Pundits debate Qatar 2022 alternative dates The 2022 Winter Olympics will be held in either Almaty, Kazakhstan or the Chinese capital Beijing. No date has been set for the Games, though the 2014 Winters in Sochi ran between 7-23 February. A Fifa taskforce has been charged with finding a solution to moving the World Cup from its traditional June and July schedule and is looking at the entire international fixture calendar between 2018 and 2024. Monday's meeting was attended by Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore and Football Association general secretary Alex Horne, along with the head of the Qatar 2022 organising committee Hassan Al Thawadi and representatives from domestic leagues and regional confederations. Fifa sees November and December as a viable option and has pressed the case for that date in recent months. But football officials from Africa, South America, North and Central America, Asia and Europe are believed to have expressed they are open to January and February at Monday's meeting - with several expressing support for that option over November/December. Five separate proposals were considered, but BBC Sport understands Fifa insisted that only winter dates could be considered. Despite that, the European Clubs Association - consisting of 214 of the continent's biggest teams - put forward its plan for April and May,while Uefa raised the idea of holding the tournament in January and February 2023. Play media Jump media player Media player help Out of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Archive: Qatar win right to host 2022 World Cup The big European leagues are thought to want to see all summer options exhausted before they will consider a winter date. However, Fifa general secretary Jerome Valcke is said to have nullified that plan, stating that the World Cup contract decrees games must be played within the calendar year of 2022. A compromise solution put forward by the Association of European Professional Football Leagues for late May and June is thought to have attracted some support and remains under consideration. Scudamore is understood to have questioned Qatar's representatives about why they could not host the tournament as they originally intended. He - along with a representative of Spain's La Liga - are thought to have voiced their opposition to a winter date. The Premier League is believed to oppose a winter tournament given the disruption it would cause to the title run-in and the hole it would create in the schedules of its broadcast partners. While Qatar's response to Scudamore's question is unknown, the organising committee has always maintained it is prepared to host the World Cup at any time of year. Fifa previously stated it expected the taskforce to make a recommendation by March 2015, with a further meeting of the group expected to be held early next year.
Super_horns Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 What will the BBC do if such a situation arose?
Nalis Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 The Australian and US campaigns should sue FIFA as they wasted millions on a campaign based on the fact it would be held in the summer. Australian would have been a pain in the ass for match times but they were probably the natural choice of the countries who haven't hosted it before. Random point but I'm surprised China hasn't got it yet.
Guest Posted 3 November 2014 Posted 3 November 2014 What will the BBC do if such a situation arose? Multiple red button and online streams like London 2012 I'd imagine
davieG Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 Qatar 2022 World Cup: Michel Platini wants winter staging http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29915166
Guest ttfn Posted 13 November 2014 Posted 13 November 2014 FA brings FIFA into disrepute. Qatar cleared of all wrongdoing. Got to leave that organisation now, I'm afraid. It's jumped the shark.
Vacamion Posted 13 November 2014 Posted 13 November 2014 I would respect a decision to walk away from Fifa but with so much money committed to our continuing acquiescence with the great den of corruption, there's zero chance of it happening. I'm not sure it is even worth trying to change Fifa from within. Shame.
Jon the Hat Posted 13 November 2014 Posted 13 November 2014 Only FIFA could pulish such a shite report that it criticised England on sone minor issue because we fully co-operate, but completely overlook millions in Bribes paid by Qatari businessmen who did not speak to the enquiry at all, on the basis of a statement that he was not involved in the bid. Any other organisation would be ****ing ashamed to release such a load of utter bollocks with their name on it. I would fully support England leding a breakaway competiton. FIFA are a ****ing Joke. If we got even 2-3 of the major European nations on board FIFA would be ****ed.
Benji Posted 13 November 2014 Posted 13 November 2014 Hilarious. These guys are on a different planet.
MooseBreath Posted 13 November 2014 Posted 13 November 2014 They're not even trying to be subtle about it. Blatter might as well post a picture of himself in some Qatari private members club surrounded by Arab bombshells while smoking a cigar rolled with Qatari riyal and arranging a set of solid gold letters to form the words "**** you England loool".
VLC86 Posted 13 November 2014 Posted 13 November 2014 The problem is bribes are perfectly normally within FIFA and the fact we probably didn't bribe anyone is why they think we have done wrong?
Dan Posted 13 November 2014 Author Posted 13 November 2014 The whole thing is so ridiculous you can hardly even laugh anymore. I've never known anything so consistently hypocritical and downright ridiculous. England should do the decent thing but we won't.
J.Lisemore Posted 13 November 2014 Posted 13 November 2014 Really, really hoping nations pull out of this.
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