kingfox Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 Interesting..........a proven Polish International with more than sixty caps for his country, but not good enough for the Premiership? You are plainly wrong. Did I say he isn't good enough for the Prem? No I didn't, if I thought that I would of said don't bother with a new contract. The pace of the Premiership, could well be too much for him at times, he will be 34 when next season starts. Yes the likes of Vidic & JT are that age as well, but let's face it Wasilewski is no Nemanja Vidic or John Terry, regardless how much we love him. There's two positions for me where Premier League experience is key, central defence & central midfield, and I would strengthen both areas.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 A DM!! I like this thread.. Wasa though... no I don't think so. Adapting to Prem league football is enough, let alone a complete change of position.
fuchsntf Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 Interesting..........a proven Polish International with more than sixty caps for his country, but not good enough for the Premiership? You are plainly wrong. Agree Its plain to see that some fans forget whats in front of them.Wasy brings the experience and has already done it at an higher level. Wes Morgan, Wasyl, Moore and a couple we have on the back burner, at present I see no reason to spend millions on the defence, unless EOS contracts means we have to.
fleckneymike Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 Does anyone have an opinion as to whether Wasyl could play a Makelele role, as central defensive midfielder, for LCFC in the Premier League, IF we go up? I reckon we'd have to play 3 central midfielders. Drinkwater and James are up to it (probably King, too, at least as a squad player). However, as we'd be under the cosh more and less able to dominate games against superior opposition, I do think we'd struggle playing 2 central midfielders and 2 wide-ish players. I also wonder whether we yet have a Premier League centre-back combination. At that level, if you played either Wasyl or Wes, you'd want a very mobile, intelligent centre-back partner. Liam Moore might be that man in due course, but he's still very inexperienced. So, how about Wasyl as a central defensive midfielder? He's physically strong, decent in the air, reads the game very well, tackles well - and his distribution is absolutely outstanding for a centre back. His big downside (apart from the odd rash tackle) is his lack of pace - not ultra-slow, but certainly slow by Premier League standards. He also seems to be a strong personality - useful if times get harder than the younger lads are used to. Today he was ordering other players about - and they moved! Can anyone see Wasyl playing a Makele role in the PL next season or am I talking out of my arse?! Nope. Firstly he is actually a right back, he's started playing CB for us but he is a RB. Secondly playing in midfield is infinitely more difficult than playing CB. His passing accuracy is 74, that is lower than Morgan and considerably lower than Drinkwater, James and King. I would imagine that should we wish to play a Makele (there's a clue in the name that perhaps since 2008 no one else really does this that perhaps it's not the most effective system) we might actually sign someone who can naturally play that position rather than convert an ageing Polish right back This is a terrible idea.
Bryn Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 We should be looking to sign a quality cb on going up. Marcin and Moore will be squad players. No to the idea of him at dm, anyone who has played football will k know how different the two positions are.
fuchsntf Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 Did I say he isn't good enough for the Prem? No I didn't, if I thought that I would of said don't bother with a new contract. The pace of the Premiership, could well be too much for him at times, he will be 34 when next season starts. Yes the likes of Vidic & JT are that age as well, but let's face it Wasilewski is no Nemanja Vidic or John Terry, regardless how much we love him. There's two positions for me where Premier League experience is key, central defence & central midfield, and I would strengthen both areas. One has to find the how and with whom, players of ..THE NEXT CALIBRE is not easy available. All supporters know the logic of a good backbone. Discovering, creating the good ol BB, means dont forsake what you already have for change sake....Lets look at the possibilities and whats out there, willing to come to the KP, then look again at the possibilities.
Dan Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 Can definitely see the thinking behind this but I think with the money we'd have to spend, we'd be more sensible to buy a natural defensive midfielder - and a younger one.
MooseBreath Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 We should just stick with 442 imo. Easily our best formation. Makes no sense to change unless we make wholesale changes to the playing squad and even then, I'd rather we went out and tried to beat teams playing our game than setting out just to accommodate the opposition.
Witch Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 Nope. Firstly he is actually a right back, he's started playing CB for us but he is a RB. To be precise Wasyl played CB in Anderlecht and in Polish National Team a lot of times. And he himself admitted he feels now better as centerback. He used to be a damn good rightback, and he started his career as a striker, but that is the past.
Guesty Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 I doubt it, he has a good pass for a defender, but there's a big difference between playing the ball from the back and from the midfield. At the back all he has to worry about is people infront of him, he can take his time look up and play a nice ball. In defensive midfield when he gets the ball he will be closed down from all directions - he won't be used to it. A bit like how Bamba struggled. If he was good enough to do it a manager from earlier in his career would probably have tried it. Square-pegs round-holes - much better to play him in his best positions than try something out for the first time in one of the best leagues in the world.
fleckneymike Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 To be precise Wasyl played CB in Anderlecht and in Polish National Team a lot of times. And he himself admitted he feels now better as centerback. He used to be a damn good rightback, and he started his career as a striker, but that is the past. He began playing CB at age 31 because he was too slow to play RB. The key point is that in no way is he good enough to play in central midfield in the Premier League.
LC/FC Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 We've tried this before. Patrick Kisnorbo played DM position during his early City career of the Levein years. It did not go well. Sometimes a defender is just a defender.
The Doctor Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 He's not really a midfielder, he's more a defensive brick-wall, and frankly there's no point taking that out of the defence.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 15 March 2014 Posted 15 March 2014 Sometimes DM's have to fill in for advanced full backs. I repeat, that's Wasyl at full back.
ozleicester Posted 16 March 2014 Posted 16 March 2014 Watching yesterdays stream, thought Wasyl's positioning was superb, his timing was terrific, whether he is up to prem..im not sure, id give him a year and let him try though
Tom's Pasta Posted 16 March 2014 Posted 16 March 2014 People said this about Sol Bamba I seem to remember. CB and CDM are very very very very different positions, an emphatic no from me. Wasyl is a centre half end of story
foxfanazer Posted 16 March 2014 Posted 16 March 2014 Absolutely no chance. We need to be playing players in their best positions to stand a chance in the prem
CPW22 Posted 16 March 2014 Posted 16 March 2014 Delph played in that role for Villa yesterday, I can't see Wasyl being anywhere near that standard.
Alf Bentley Posted 16 March 2014 Author Posted 16 March 2014 Just to clarify my (highly speculative) thinking.... I wasn't for a minute suggesting that Wasyl could become some sort of box-to-box midfielder, so criticisms on the grounds that he couldn't get up and down the pitch are irrelevant. The potential role that I had in mind was purely defensive midfield - as played by Makelele a few years ago. Delph was in the Chelsea box scoring a goal yesterday, so he clearly wasn't playing that role. Makelele would've got a nosebleed if he'd crossed the halfway line! I imagined Wasyl sitting in front of the defence, protecting the centre backs, covering the full backs and feeding the likes of Drinky, Matty, Mahrez & Knocky, who'd do the creative work. The point someone made that you rarely see anyone in that Makelele role these days is a good one, though. Maybe, at the highest level, systems have moved on so that all midfielders need to have a degree of mobility and flexibility that Wasyl would lack. I'm thinking on the hoof as (a) I don't think we could just play Drinky & James/King in central midfield in the Premier - certainly not against the better teams - as we'd get over-run; (b) I'm not confident that any 2 of Wes, Wasyl & Moore could handle Premier attacks - the first 2 lack pace/mobility; Moore lacks experience, though he might be able to make the step up; © De Laet & Schlupp are better as attacking, not defensive full-backs (I can't see Konch as a 1st choice in the Premier - too slow now). Of course, if we go up, NP will look to strengthen in certain positions. If he brings in a mobile Premier standard centre back and a third central midfielder, maybe a defensively-minded one, my speculation becomes irrelevant. My guess is that he won't want to bring in too many new players as he's built a good squad here - maybe just 3-4 (LB, CB, CM & Striker?) - and that's my hope, too.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 16 March 2014 Posted 16 March 2014 You cannot go into the most difficult league in Europe, and suddenly expect players to change their roles. That is a certain recipe for disaster. He is a fine footballer and hopefully will sign as a back up player, in his current role.
LAprice_ Posted 16 March 2014 Posted 16 March 2014 At the moment, Wasilewski is in Anderlecht with some guy called Vincent - apparently plays for some Manchester club - maybe our Polish tank could put in a good word and persuade this Vincent guy to sign for us. He sounds decent. Then, yeah, if his mate Vincent signs, I would happily play Wasyl in midfield. In fact I'd even play him up front.
muzzycomeback Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 Put his wang in defensive mid It already is when he's playing at centre back!
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