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[Monsell1976]

In what way did they have serious ego problems tonight? Im genuinely interested. Surely not just from arresting homophobes and lining the pitch as ordered?

No not the homophobic regards that is a criminal offence, but leaving the ground I saw and heard a few things that was arrogant and the attitude from the officers concerned wasn't warranted.

[BlueBoy1]

I personally didn't see any arrogance from the cops tonight. We can't expect them to walk around with big smiles all the time. I seen one having a photo with a group of kids which made their day. I then seen several fans shouting abuse at two coppers who were stood outside the Brighton concourse at the end which was astounding when you consider they had kids with them. I'm sure some were arrogant but the ones I seen were fine.

[GingerrrFox]

In what way did they have serious ego problems tonight? Im genuinely interested. Surely not just from arresting homophobes and lining the pitch as ordered?

One bloke stood between J3 and L1 had his hand on his baton and was staring at one fan near the chains at the bottom of the stand and mouthed "try it" to say I dare you to try and get on this pitch. Also the officer in charge with the fluorescent cap on was barking orders like he was on the frontline in WW1 and kept shouting "no one gets past".

[Larry_LCFC]

No not the homophobic regards that is a criminal offence, but leaving the ground I saw and heard a few things that was arrogant and the attitude from the officers concerned wasn't warranted.

Such as? How many cops did it involve. This is my point. You generalised every cop there tonight as having ego problems and bad attitude when in reality whatever you saw probably involved 1, maybe 2 out of 100? Even then do you know the full circumstances and lead up to what they were dealing with? Not having a dig, just wish people would think abit more.

[Collo73]

Buggsteam

Today, 11:21 PM

Collo73, on 09 Apr 2014 - 12:05 AM, said:

Buggsteam... You talk a good job pal but that's all it is. Using a kid getting home safe is a typical comment from you lot. The bottom line today was you lot were a total joke in numbers and attitude. Do you really think all the children there tonight really wanted to ask their parents why so many police were at a friendly football match?? Get a life.

The police want respect from the country? Well sorry but things like tonight just make the gap wider and wider

It's not the police fault that this country has gone PC mad and have so much red tape around it.

Being a fan myself would love to go to games without a heavy police presence, likewise for a night out on the town with out police there.

But in this day and age you need some control and order.

We as police get slated every day for a thankless job we do and I don't claim all police are perfect as I know they are not and yes I admit there are the power hungry ones out there.

But being a dad myself to two young kids, I would like to think they are being protected in all walks of life and daily things that happen.

Yes a heavy presence at a game may seem OTT a very disturbing for a young child but it better for that child to go home safe then be half crushed to death if fans were just allowed to invade the pitch as and when they see fit.

Now you may say that our excuse from our lot as you put it but that's the bottom line. I'm not there to try and spoil anyone's fun but I have to make sure the other thousands of fans around you don't come to any harm from your actions.

Whilst I agree to a point that it is not totally the police's fault for the PC brIgade and all of the red tape stuff I still maintain my point that the policing was way OTT tonight.

Now maybe the club did 'hire' so many of you but the way you made your presence known was unnecessary.

I walked to the ground with my usual clan and have not seen so many coppers probably all season and that goes for millwall! Now before the match there was nothing stopping you lot from

sitting in your vans like you normally do out the way was there?? But no, not tonight, you was all over the place. If you think thas the correct way of policing then so be it but for me it was ludicrous.

To conclude, as I have said in another post, both the club and police have lost a lot of respect tonight in the way you both handled things in what should have been a joyous occasion. At the very worst a sudden surge from the young lads onto the pitch from L1 and then everyone else that wanted to get on the pitch would have happened at a slower rate from different parts of the ground.

For the record I'm a bloke of 45!

[Larry_LCFC]

Buggsteam

Today, 11:21 PM

Collo73, on 09 Apr 2014 - 12:05 AM, said:

Buggsteam... You talk a good job pal but that's all it is. Using a kid getting home safe is a typical comment from you lot. The bottom line today was you lot were a total joke in numbers and attitude. Do you really think all the children there tonight really wanted to ask their parents why so many police were at a friendly football match?? Get a life.

The police want respect from the country? Well sorry but things like tonight just make the gap wider and wider

It's not the police fault that this country has gone PC mad and have so much red tape around it.

Being a fan myself would love to go to games without a heavy police presence, likewise for a night out on the town with out police there.

But in this day and age you need some control and order.

We as police get slated every day for a thankless job we do and I don't claim all police are perfect as I know they are not and yes I admit there are the power hungry ones out there.

But being a dad myself to two young kids, I would like to think they are being protected in all walks of life and daily things that happen.

Yes a heavy presence at a game may seem OTT a very disturbing for a young child but it better for that child to go home safe then be half crushed to death if fans were just allowed to invade the pitch as and when they see fit.

Now you may say that our excuse from our lot as you put it but that's the bottom line. I'm not there to try and spoil anyone's fun but I have to make sure the other thousands of fans around you don't come to any harm from your actions.

Whilst I agree to a point that it is not totally the police's fault for the PC brIgade and all of the red tape stuff I still maintain my point that the policing was way OTT tonight.

Now maybe the club did 'hire' so many of you but the way you made your presence known was unnecessary.

I walked to the ground with my usual clan and have not seen so many coppers probably all season and that goes for millwall! Now before the match there was nothing stopping you lot from

sitting in your vans like you normally do out the way was there?? But no, not tonight, you was all over the place. If you think thas the correct way of policing then so be it but for me it was ludicrous.

To conclude, as I have said in another post, both the club and police have lost a lot of respect tonight in the way you both handled things in what should have been a joyous occasion. At the very worst a sudden surge from the young lads onto the pitch from L1 and then everyone else that wanted to get on the pitch would have happened at a slower rate from different parts of the ground.

For the record I'm a bloke of 45!

And the award for the most confusing post of 2014 goes to...

[BlueBoy1]

Such as? How many cops did it involve. This is my point. You generalised every cop there tonight as having ego problems and bad attitude when in reality whatever you saw probably involved 1, maybe 2 out of 100? Even then do you know the full circumstances and lead up to what they were dealing with? Not having a dig, just wish people would think abit more.

Exactly. The cops that seemed to be abused outside for no reason did not get high and mighty and remained professional.

They wre only in the ground en mass in the very last minute and god knows what was being shouted towards them. I'm not surprised if one told them to try it... I bet they didn't!

If people show a certain attitude towards anyone, then this gets reciprocated. Cops are no different if pushed.

[Monsell1976]

Such as? How many cops did it involve. This is my point. You generalised every cop there tonight as having ego problems and bad attitude when in reality whatever you saw probably involved 1, maybe 2 out of 100? Even then do you know the full circumstances and lead up to what they were dealing with? Not having a dig, just wish people would think abit more.

Like I say I have come into contact with many police, and not for the wrong reason, and yes my post did generalise my perception of the police I have come into contact with, but as a whole I have met very few especially at football that haven't had egos and arrogants, but in my opinion they generalise football supporters, and I have seen them escalate incidents that could be avoided.

Tonight's ego and arrogants wasn't as bad, it was more poor attitude when dealing with the public.

[Langley]

Yes a heavy presence at a game may seem OTT a very disturbing for a young child but it better for that child to go home safe then be half crushed to death if fans were just allowed to invade the pitch as and when they see fit.

This sounds scarily totalitarian to me.

"We are doing it for your own good." "You'll thank us in the end" "war is peace, ignorance is slavery" etc

[Buggsteam]

I have to agree more with ginger, I have travelled all over the country and have come into contact with many police, and the arrogants of the vast majority is quite astounding, especially at football matches, they appear to treat all fans as thugs, and at times they have looked more up for a fight than the supporters they are there to keep safe.

Tonight police had serious ego problems and dealt with the public they took an oath to serve, with little tolerance, but they need to get it in their heads that not all football fans are not thugs, and the vast majority are hard working people, who pay their taxes, which in turn pays for the police force, and have no criminal intent.

Football as a whole has got this stigma from years gone by and the amount of hooligans and violence at games between fans.

Yes football and clubs and proudly to say fans are growing out of that era and fans come to games now for the love of the sport and their team and not to cause trouble.

How ever as a police officer on patrol when trying to observe over 30k fans is a hard job and you have to be switched on at all times and have to portray the image that they are in control of the situation.

Some officers come across as seeming rude or abrupt but they have a job to do and need things done quickly and safely and it only takes a minority of people to cause a disturbance, weather that be, not going the correct way to which they have been told to being offensive or creating a public disturbance and that takes the officer away from what he's meant to be doing and that is making sure that everyone is safe.

When I've policed games or out on patrol I treat those how they treat me. I give everyone the same respect unless they cross the line.

Every police officer is different and there tolerance levels are not all the same so some will jump the gun quicker then others but at the end off the day we are human aswell and police can make mistakes aswell. It's weather they learn from it.

[Langley]

One bloke stood between J3 and L1 had his hand on his baton and was staring at one fan near the chains at the bottom of the stand and mouthed "try it" to say I dare you to try and get on this pitch. Also the officer in charge with the fluorescent cap on was barking orders like he was on the frontline in WW1 and kept shouting "no one gets past".

Biggest gang in the country. Can't stand them.

[Dan]

Whilst we're at it, another point, did I dream we got promoted on Saturday?!

 

Because I didn't see/hear any recognition of it by the club tonight. Of course all week I saw their "buy your tickets now for the promotion party" and their #starttheparty through social media but nothing inside the ground tonight.

 

Shouldn't a promotion party you've waited a decade for still go ahead even if toned down a little when you've lost?

 

Instead, nothing. All the players off, a lot of riot police, buy your tickets for the next match now, thanks for your money, see you later.

 

10 years we've waited to get promoted and the first home game after achieving it we had... nothing. Worst party I've ever been to... #boycottheparty

 

It's absolutely sad but I suppose that's what Leicester City of today is.

 

I really am fuming with tonight's shite from LCFC. Further proof of what I've been saying for ages but of course I'm just a paranoid child.

[Harry - LCFC]

One bloke stood between J3 and L1 had his hand on his baton and was staring at one fan near the chains at the bottom of the stand and mouthed "try it" to say I dare you to try and get on this pitch. Also the officer in charge with the fluorescent cap on was barking orders like he was on the frontline in WW1 and kept shouting "no one gets past".

 

Drunk on power. There's a problem when human beings feel they have a right to dominate others.

[Guest MattP]

#starttheparty

 

Sit down, don't get drunk, clap when we say, stay off the pitch, no rude chanting, just be quiet and enjoy yourselves.

 

#starttheparty

 

Can you imagine Kev Barclay's 60th? Fcuking hell, I bet it's like a holocaust memorial.

[leftbackinthechangingroom]

As I said before I dont get the fascination with going on the pitch. For me it's like walking on a local park just a bit of grass I ain't gonna be jumping and running around like a loon on it just because something good happened. Granted these are special circumstances being we haven't been in the prem for so long. But think of it this way say you did get onto the pitch then what? The club stop all the celebrations planned because a minority wanted to run around on some grass.

How is that fair on the old timers or the kiddies that ain't seen city win promotion or lift a trophy. I'm all for going nuts and having fun, just don't ruin it for others who don't want to celebrate the same way as you

[Monsell1976]

Football as a whole has got this stigma from years gone by and the amount of hooligans and violence at games between fans.

Yes football and clubs and proudly to say fans are growing out of that era and fans come to games now for the love of the sport and their team and not to cause trouble.

How ever as a police officer on patrol when trying to observe over 30k fans is a hard job and you have to be switched on at all times and have to portray the image that they are in control of the situation.

Some officers come across as seeming rude or abrupt but they have a job to do and need things done quickly and safely and it only takes a minority of people to cause a disturbance, weather that be, not going the correct way to which they have been told to being offensive or creating a public disturbance and that takes the officer away from what he's meant to be doing and that is making sure that everyone is safe.

When I've policed games or out on patrol I treat those how they treat me. I give everyone the same respect unless they cross the line.

Every police officer is different and there tolerance levels are not all the same so some will jump the gun quicker then others but at the end off the day we are human aswell and police can make mistakes aswell. It's weather they learn from it.

To be fair you present well and I am sure you are a decent person and police officer, but unfortunately in my many contacts with police, I haven't had the pleasure of meeting somebody like yourself, who would treat people as they find them.

You comment on the fact that football violence has virtually grown out of the game, therefore the football fan has changed but is it not time for the police mentality towards the supporters to change.

I have done my riot training and crowd control training, and yes you have to have a certain mind set, and when in crowd control situations you have to be alert, and switched on, but unless it's kicking off, could a lot of these officers be more approachable, less arrogant, and use more verbal reasoning, and de-escalate certain situations rather than be heavy handed, and in the case ginger was referring to, come across as threatening, or provoking.

[Buggsteam]

Drunk on power. There's a problem when human beings feel they have a right to dominate others.

The power as you call it is getting more and more taken away each day to the red tape and PC policies etc.

I have never once felt I have the right to dominate anybody and I am no better then you, joe blogs or the little old man down the road.

Most people who seem to have such hatred for the police have obviously had a run in with them in the past and now label all of us the same.

police don't get to pick and choose who we turn up to when a house has been robbed or domestic violence is happening or some crazy idiot is drink driving with no license or insurance and ends up crashing into you.

Somebody has to do the thankless job we do otherwise there would be anarchy in the world.

Police don't always get it right.

Ie the disturbing heavy presence at the game tonight as some felt it was.

We as officer don't get to say how many are out on the streets and where. We have our briefing and follow the orders as were told to.

I'm sorry you have such negative feelings towards us. Maybe you would prefer life with no law and order.

[Guest MattP]

As I said before I dont get the fascination with going on the pitch. For me it's like walking on a local park just a bit of grass I ain't gonna be jumping and running around like a loon on it just because something good happened. Granted these are special circumstances being we haven't been in the prem for so long. But think of it this way say you did get onto the pitch then what? The club stop all the celebrations planned because a minority wanted to run around on some grass.

How is that fair on the old timers or the kiddies that ain't seen city win promotion or lift a trophy. I'm all for going nuts and having fun, just don't ruin it for others who don't want to celebrate the same way as you

 

It's not really though is it?

 

The pitch isn't just a lump of grass like a local park that people walk a dog across to shit on, it is a hallowed piece of turf. Moments of magic happen on it that affect us, it's our team's place, we pay fortunes to watch people perform skills on it because it's the place where we see our dreams come true.

 

Of course a fan would want to celebrate on it, in the same way a tennis fan would love to wander onto centre court at Wimbledon or a cricket fan would love to run onto the ground at Lords.

 

I actually have no idea how a fan of any football team could compare his club's pitch to what he wanders across in his local park.

[Dan]

#starttheparty

 

Sit down, don't get drunk, clap when we say, stay off the pitch, no rude chanting, just be quiet and enjoy yourselves.

 

#starttheparty

 

Can you imagine Kev Barclay's 60th? Fcuking hell, I bet it's like a holocaust memorial.

 

[jamfox]

 

 

First point, I really did not feel like invading the pitch after getting hammered, if we had needed a point and won or drawn the game then maybe I would have loved it and I’m not a hooligan I don’t want to beat anybody up or stab some players or smash the place up. guys you can stuck your health and safety up your arse.

To those wombles whose arse checks are so tightly clenched together going on like someone was going to die if people got on the pitch , I can actually smell your sense of smug self-righteousness.

Why invade the pitch? Because it’s a special moment people want to celebrate and they want to feel part of the club, just think about it..  If that’s not your thing then fine don’t do it. Its people on some grass! , get over yourselves! 

Health and safety has morphed from a sensible idea to the enemy of the people, a pariah. Last weekend people broke through police lines to run the half marathon and through Unity of people and it had a special felling for that fact

So moving forward no way was I wanting to go on the pitch tonight, but the police kind of made me want to so if we win the title and the moment is right I say

[Harry - LCFC]

As I said before I dont get the fascination with going on the pitch. For me it's like walking on a local park just a bit of grass I ain't gonna be jumping and running around like a loon on it just because something good happened. Granted these are special circumstances being we haven't been in the prem for so long. But think of it this way say you did get onto the pitch then what? The club stop all the celebrations planned because a minority wanted to run around on some grass.

How is that fair on the old timers or the kiddies that ain't seen city win promotion or lift a trophy. I'm all for going nuts and having fun, just don't ruin it for others who don't want to celebrate the same way as you

 

Man City were still presented with the trophy. You have to remember that a pitch invasions don't prevent anything from happening, they just delay it. If the presentation is cancelled you should be blaming self important administrators who seek to victimise pitch invaders by turning others against them.

 

I repeat, pitch invasions do not prevent trophy presentations. Decision-makers do.

 

The power as you call it is getting more and more taken away each day to the red tape and PC policies etc.

I have never once felt I have the right to dominate anybody and I am no better then you, joe blogs or the little old man down the road.

Most people who seem to have such hatred for the police have obviously had a run in with them in the past and now label all of us the same.

police don't get to pick and choose who we turn up to when a house has been robbed or domestic violence is happening or some crazy idiot is drink driving with no license or insurance and ends up crashing into you.

Somebody has to do the thankless job we do otherwise there would be anarchy in the world.

Police don't always get it right.

Ie the disturbing heavy presence at the game tonight as some felt it was.

We as officer don't get to say how many are out on the streets and where. We have our briefing and follow the orders as were told to.

I'm sorry you have such negative feelings towards us. Maybe you would prefer life with no law and order.

 

At no point did I say that I thought all police were like this. However I make no apologies for what I said, the officers Ginger described sound like very unpleasant individuals. I'd go further and say they actually have a mental deficiency, it isn't at all healthy to think as they do.

[leftbackinthechangingroom]

It's not really though is it?

The pitch isn't just a lump of grass like a local park that people walk a dog across to shit on, it is a hallowed piece of turf. Moments of magic happen on it that affect us, it's our team's place, we pay fortunes to watch people perform skills on it because it's the place where we see our dreams come true.

Of course a fan would want to celebrate on it, in the same way a tennis fan would love to wander onto centre court at Wimbledon or a cricket fan would love to run onto the ground at Lords.

I actually have no idea how a fan of any football team could compare his club's pitch to what he wanders across in his local park.

Ok that's a fair point but thing is though as much as I would love to get on the pitch I would like there to be a valid reason like for example winning a chance to play on it not just to be on the pitch for the sake of it like a pitch invasion.

I think my posts may have caused some confusion I did not mean to compare it to a local park on the sense of it just being grass etc as i know special things happen there what I meant to say was the fact that in my opinion its no different to doing the same thing at the local park. So my apologies for that

[leftbackinthechangingroom]

It's not really though is it?

The pitch isn't just a lump of grass like a local park that people walk a dog across to shit on, it is a hallowed piece of turf. Moments of magic happen on it that affect us, it's our team's place, we pay fortunes to watch people perform skills on it because it's the place where we see our dreams come true.

Of course a fan would want to celebrate on it, in the same way a tennis fan would love to wander onto centre court at Wimbledon or a cricket fan would love to run onto the ground at Lords.

I actually have no idea how a fan of any football team could compare his club's pitch to what he wanders across in his local park.

Ok that's a fair point but thing is though as much as I would love to get on the pitch I would like there to be a valid reason like for example winning a chance to play on it not just to be on the pitch for the sake of it like a pitch invasion.

I think my posts may have caused some confusion I did not mean to compare it to a local park on the sense of it just being grass etc as i know special things happen there what I meant to say was the fact that in my opinion its no different to doing the same thing at the local park. So my apologies for that

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Is it the club's choice though? I would have thought the police ultimately choose what they're going to do, I'm not sure they can be privately hired by a football club. Either way it seems massively unbalanced.

The club pay for policing inside the ground.

[deejdeej]

It was an absolute disgrace.

Let's have some perspective here: people wanted to walk down some steps, step over an advertising hoarding and walk on some grass.

Does that really warrant 60 police lining two sides of the stadium in riot gear and on overtime?!

How about the club spends that money on free travel to Huddersfield for the fans or a free pint for everyone versus Doncaster as a thank you for all the support they've had from us over the years?!

Who cares what you think of a pitch invasion whether it's tinpot, co-ordinated or embarassing. The way the club approached tonight was disgraceful.

Talking of perspective, how about you read your 2nd paragraph again and ask yourself if it's really as good as you kids are making it out to be. I'm 24 by the way and enjoy a laugh and crazy night as much as anyone, running on a pitch does not constitute this. I'd rather see the players that have earned this reward parade around the pitch than you lot in your nike air max's on the pitch looking utterly clueless what to do next.