Richard Posted 29 May 2014 Posted 29 May 2014 I'd also take the cup win every time. As Dan said it's the one that we haven't won which a club of our size really should have. Now we've got the Premier League money we're in the best financial position of the club's history so even if we did go down then we'd be in a good position to come back again. In 20/30/40 years time nobody's going to remember us finishing 14th in the Premier League back in 2015 but they will remember that time when we won the FA cup for the first time.
LCCFox96 Posted 29 May 2014 Posted 29 May 2014 Unless we are going to cough up millions and buy our way into Europe progressing into the top 7 in the premiership will be nigh on impossible. We simply will not be able to catch those clubs up. Our best shot at achieving anything resembling Europe is to break into the Europa league through winning the cups. From there we can attract the players we need to build a squad that can challenge the top clubs (don't mean finish above them rather hold our own against them more regularly). Even then our chances or maintaining such rapid progress are unlikely. So yes, I think cup runs are important but I'd take survival and being knocked out early for the first season at least. Then we can build again to achieve more the year after.
Harry - LCFC Posted 29 May 2014 Posted 29 May 2014 I always think about the things I'll look back on fondly in the long term - what memories will I treasure most? Survival is very useful to the club but ultimately it's a short term thing. Eventually you have to get round to winning things so you can experience something of real value. The joy of being a football fan doesn't lie in continually treading water.
LCFC Rennie Posted 29 May 2014 Posted 29 May 2014 Yes I would. The fact we've never won it is absolutely criminal. You look at the list of football league clubs who have never won it and we're easily up there with the biggest. To be in 4 finals and have never actually won it is unreal. Whilst I'd be disappointed with relegation, it wouldn't be a disaster. If we were properly managed in the Championship both financially and tactically then we would be in a great position to go back up. The only chance of it crippling us financially is if we spend beyond our means this summer. Winning the FA Cup is a far bigger achievement than staying in the Premier League. The only way it isn't is if you're considering money, but I'm not a club accountant, I'm a fan. I can respect why Pearson would prioritise the league but the neglecting of the FA Cup by the majority of big sides has killed the competition and the buzz of it is dying off for me completely - but we NEED to add this to our trophy cabinet one day. Being in the league cup quarter final didn't do us any harm did it? Here's one for you all then - who do you think enjoyed the 2013/14 season more, Wigan fans or West Brom fans? I agree, plus it means a journey into Europe that a lot of our fans have been excited for. I live near a lot of wigan fans and they all say it was worth winning the FA cup and getting relegated.
Father Ted Posted 29 May 2014 Posted 29 May 2014 We will have 8 less league games and 2 less cup games (as we go into next rounds of League Cup and FA Cup compared to last season - not 100% sure on this though). So if we look at it that way, 10 less games compared to last season. I'd love us to go on a cup run, we genuinely could next season and an easy way to get into Europe.
Corky Posted 29 May 2014 Posted 29 May 2014 We did ok this season with a run to the League Cup quarter-finals (furthest Championship side in terms of progress), we had 52 games last season. One FA Cup run would give us a total (if no replays) of 44 games if we reached the final, I doubt we'll do well in both so possibly 46 at most, same as the league season this year. There are very few midweek games to contend with so tiredness should not be an issue with breaks in between games. I'd be livid if we aren't bothered about the cups, given that Pearson has delivered two quarter-finals as manager suggests he is interested. We can survive and have a cup run, it might also boost the confidence to win games.
Dan Posted 29 May 2014 Posted 29 May 2014 I agree, plus it means a journey into Europe that a lot of our fans have been excited for. I live near a lot of wigan fans and they all say it was worth winning the FA cup and getting relegated. Precisely. Wigan have hardly paid a huge penalty have they? Granted they've gone and over-achieved big time again this year by getting to the FA Cup Semis, but they hardly had a poor league campaign and they got to experience European football. The fact people would rather see us come 17th and not 'risk' a cup run is everything that's wrong with the modern game. We will have 8 less league games and 2 less cup games (as we go into next rounds of League Cup and FA Cup compared to last season - not 100% sure on this though). So if we look at it that way, 10 less games compared to last season. I'd love us to go on a cup run, we genuinely could next season and an easy way to get into Europe. I think it's one less as we'd enter the League Cup in round two (only the top 8 enter in round three I think) and the FA Cup remains the third game.
RowlattsFox Posted 29 May 2014 Posted 29 May 2014 Probably depends on the fixture list and who we play directly after cup ties, particularly the league cup. We will rest players no doubt, but as a premier league side the squad should be good enough to beat lower league sides. Will be disappointed if we go out both cups with a whimper.
Foxes Blue Blood Posted 29 May 2014 Posted 29 May 2014 By the time we play our first FA Cup Tie (early January) we will have played about 20 games so we will have a feeling as to how we are doing in the league. interesting to look at the bottom of the table on 1/1/2014 :- 11 Aston Villa 12 Stoke City 13 Swansea 14 WBA 15 Norwich 16 Fulham 17 Cardiff 18 Crystal P 19 West Ham 20 Sunderland none of the bottom 3 were relegated.
Bert Posted 29 May 2014 Posted 29 May 2014 Would anyone take an FA Cup win if it meant we were relegated?Yep. It's a no brainer for me. To have our name permanently etched on the oldest cup in our game?
promised land Posted 29 May 2014 Posted 29 May 2014 Yep. It's a no brainer for me. To have our name permanently etched on the oldest cup in our game? Technically the newest cup as they remade it for this year, but the bottom plinth with the names on is still the original.
Finnaldo Posted 29 May 2014 Posted 29 May 2014 Technically the newest cup as they remade it for this year, but the bottom plinth with the names on is still the original. Really? What's happened to the original cup then?
promised land Posted 29 May 2014 Posted 29 May 2014 Really? What's happened to the original cup then? http://www.thefa.com/news/the-fa-cup/2014/may/new-third-fa-cup-arsenal-hull-city-thomas-lyteThe previous one was from 1992, so only lasted 21 seasons, the one before that and the first in this design was from 1911. The original cup was different and first used in the 1871-72 season, apparently it got stolen and the current design was then used.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 1 June 2014 Posted 1 June 2014 Would anyone take an FA Cup win if it meant we were relegated? YES!
Guest Col city fan Posted 1 June 2014 Posted 1 June 2014 Balls to all this 'The Cup's a distraction' bollox. What are we in football for? Just to make money or to try for Trophies and brilliant Cup days? Both.
whetstonefox Posted 1 June 2014 Posted 1 June 2014 As long as we dont do what southampton and newcastle did last season, safe in the top half and still play a weakened team in the cup.
Clever Fox Posted 1 June 2014 Posted 1 June 2014 Agree fully, the real pleasure for Fans is winning Trophies. As to the premier league we have to learn to walk first before we can challenge. which is why I trust in nigel to get it right. He's building a legacy here and that takes time no matter how much money you have to spend.
Dan Posted 1 June 2014 Posted 1 June 2014 Balls to all this 'The Cup's a distraction' bollox. What are we in football for? Just to make money or to try for Trophies and brilliant Cup days? Both. As a fan, categorically the latter. I can respect why the manager would prioritise the league but that doesn't mean it's any less of a negative indictment of modern football.
Harry - LCFC Posted 1 June 2014 Posted 1 June 2014 As long as we dont do what southampton and newcastle did last season, safe in the top half and still play a weakened team in the cup. I'd be disgusted if Leicester were to do something like this. Safe in mid-table with nothing to lose, both clubs chose to go out of the FA Cup for seemingly no reason. It wasn't talked about much but I thought it was pretty damn poor from both.
leicesterseddon Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 I'd be disgusted if Leicester were to do something like this. Safe in mid-table with nothing to lose, both clubs chose to go out of the FA Cup for seemingly no reason. It wasn't talked about much but I thought it was pretty damn poor from both. Absolutely. It just seems to have become the norm over the last decade or so for a growing number of Premier League teams. I was stunned by how little Stoke fans seemed to care about the cup when we played them last year, and how few of them bothered to turn up. To be quite honest, I was also mildly peeved by the fact we too played a weakened team - although I can understand why Pearson did it. Putting together a decent cup run is one of the things I'm looking forward to most next season. We have a real chance to progress to a decent stage if we take the thing reasonably seriously. Unfortunately I think it just isn't a priority for the owners and I can see Pearson picking under-strength sides this year again.
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