Metal studs installed in London to deter rough sleepers

[sphericalfox]

I guess.

Lambys bellend installed in london streets to keep homeless of streets.

 

Would be difficult sleeping on acorns, but probably less uncomfortable than some spikes methinks.

[Steven]

Heartbreaking. Used to work for a young peoples homeless charity and seeing these makes my blood boil. Where is the heart in people?!

There forces out there that want to take us back to the Middle Ages.

[Stadt]

Lamby, you'll be homeless one day so stop moaning

[notnow john]

And how many volts are they talking about?

[Haydos]

I'd love it if Lamby had to live on the streets. By the sounds of things he's not far off.

[Vacamion]

Morally, a locked door is just as much of a tramp deterrent as floor studs. 

 

You don't see people up in arms about folk locking their doors.

[Rincewind]

How about metal spikes to the face? Most are just creepy alcoholics, if they are truly homeless then how could they afford a Dog?

Nice one. if it was not for your parents giving you free board and lodging over the last 6-7 years you would not be able to afford to live the lifestyle that you do. Look up the definiyion of 'homeless' on the Shelter website and see what criteria before being deemed homeless and in need of accommodation.

 

Not looked at the yet but it seems anothether idea to hide and dismiss some things that are going on. A victory for the NIMBY brigade.

If rough sleepers are forced to move from visible places the homeless figures will appear to go down and add more bragging points to councils housing departments and whichever party is in government st the time.

Baker11 said all that needs to be said.

 

Glad to see Leicester closing hostels to spend their money on worthwhile causes.

 

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-City-Council-pays-pound-35-000-experts/story-21207021-detail/story.html?ito=email_newsletter_leicestermercury

[Rincewind]

I'm sure they would rather be sleeping inside a house.

[Carl the Llama]

Morally, a locked door is just as much of a tramp deterrent as floor studs. 

 

You don't see people up in arms about folk locking their doors.

If those studs were inside your house perhaps that analogy would work, but here we're talking about actively seeking to make it harder for homeless people to find shelter in public areas.  If a particular location is such a hotspot for homeless people that you feel the need to stick spikes in the ground to drive them away, perhaps a better solution would be to install a hotline to a homeless shelter.

[ozleicester]

Fvckin hell!

 

Its bad enough that committees and councils think this is a reasonable thing to do, but then to realise so many ...people?... human beings? would agree with the idea.  

 

Cvnts!

[Haydos]

Fvckin hell!

Its bad enough that committees and councils think this is a reasonable thing to do, but then to realise so many ...people?... human beings? would agree with the idea.

Cvnts!

Very idealist as per.

[Voll Blau]

Good idea, but I'm amazed that they are permitted in this PC health and safety world!

 

Back in my day you could call a metal stud a metal stud. Nowadays you have to call it a "metal male with severe sexual addiction issues".

 

YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP.

[Buce]

Very idealist as per.

Yeah, how dare he be compassionate and have a social conscience.

[Haydos]

Yeah, how dare he be compassionate and have a social conscience.

 

I'm sure he'd be really sympathetic if he had homeless people sleeping against his house and pissing next to his front door.

 

Obviously I don't know the guy but if he's anything like half the people that I have seen commenting on the issue on facebook they don't give two shits. It's easy to say "Oh, that's terrible, what a disgrace". If you believe it's so terrible what are you doing about it?

[Buce]

For anybody who cares enough to make their voice heard:

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/life-residential-and-boris-johnson-remove-the-anti-homeless-spikes?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=75660&alert_id=ndVnakSGAz_pE%2FTuaVmpvRA0ejmLxk7EgZCx611A5PaIa2UwQl0LtI%3D

[Guest MattP]

It's all a bit base-mechanical, though, isn't it?

 

You'd think that the tools for social apartheid would be a bit more high-tech these days.

 

Voice recognition software could be deployed. So, if someone came up my street going "Yah! Yah! Incentives for business... Chavs, Romanians...Flexible Pay....White Dee...Underclass...We're all in this together! Yah!", the software would recognise the accent and/or key words, triggering an ejector panel in the pavement, which would fire the fvckers back off to a privet hedge in suburbia or a landed estate in the shires where they could "Yah! Yah!" till the cows came home.

 

Some might consider that a little divisive. So, instead, maybe a contact-free scanner implanted in the wall could scan the microchips of bank cards in people's wallets, a secure online consultation of bank records could take place - and if they had a lot of money, then an automated transfer could be made to the account of a local homeless charity. Britain could be at the forefront of a new cutting-edge industry, exporting automated wealth redistribution and inclusiveness to the world.

 

What do you reckon, Matt?

 

My sarcasm really doesn't come across well does it these days? (though you shoudn't have tarred 'Romanians' in with those other things there, I like most, are quite welcoming to any skilled Romanian who would want to come here, work hard and make a living)

 

As for the policy, I think we already have enough policy in place that takes people's money off them, I don't think we shoudl encourage anymore, they'll be nobody left in the country earning any at the rate some want to tax if we keep going the way we do.

 

I love the phrase 'wealth redistribution' and how it's even managed to be used to describe creating a fairer society- who invented that? Let's call it what it really is shall we?, 'extortion and theft of peoples money to try and keep different richer people in power'. As amusing as the term 'positive discrimination' when used in a way to try and convince people it's for the good of all.

 

Point stands about the spikes though, I'd want them if I had paid good money to live in a nice place and had to go out in the morning and see that leaning up against your building.

 

I'm sure they would rather be sleeping inside a house.

 

Then they should sign the relevant forms shouldn't they and they will get access to some accomodation.

 

I'm on Ilikena Lasarusa Talebulamainavaleniveivakabulaimainakulalakebalau radio tomorrow (Boko Haram hour) doing a sonnet about a homeless man and his pigeon. He has to send the pigeon out to get food as people will throw food at a pigeon but not on a homeless guy. We'll also be discussing if George Osborne is paying the bedroom tax, he said he doesn't as he bought his own house, he would say that wouldn't he.

 

Some say as a organisation that is supposed to help the homeless that we should actually be out helping the homeless, I say to those people there are none as blind as those who can't see. An eye for a eye and the whole World goes blind. Pack of Rice Krispies.

 

It's my birthday so I'm bringing in sweets, got a tin of Quality Street, posh one. 75p from my local corner shop, bargain, guy in pub told me that's probably as they are out of date but the nice muslim man in the shop told me they weren't, don't get that customer service from a white Briton I bet, can't actually see the date on the box as it's been scratched off by someone at the distribution centre.

[Guest MattP]

Bread not Bombs.

 

Homes not Spikes.

[Alf Bentley]

My sarcasm really doesn't come across well does it these days?

[...]

Point stands about the spikes though, I'd want them if I had paid good money to live in a nice place and had to go out in the morning and see that leaning up against your building..

 

At its best your wit is at a much higher level than sarcasm - witness the Radio Boko Haram sonnet about the homeless man and his pigeon. I pissed myself, and I'm not even a homeless wino yet! Reminded me of that awful Peter Shelley song from the 1970s, "Love me, love my dog"..... "Love me, love my pigeon, we've been in the spare room too long to break up!" 

 

I always assume that your posts are pretty tongue-in-cheek, but based on sincerely-held reactionary beliefs. Are you saying that you wouldn't really like to have anti-homeless spikes outside Mansion Matt, you bleeding heart liberaI?!  

 

I try to adopt a similar approach - a firm pizza base of anarcho-socialist opinion topped with tasty lashings of humour. You're a Poujadist, I'm a soft-left commie; Different perspectives, similar methodology? 

 

I've got work deadlines today and tomorrow, so can't launch into a debate on wealth distribution just now, but here are Strummer/Jones to keep you company   :

"All over people changing their votes, along with their overcoats;

If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway;

White youth, black youth, better find another solution;

Why not phone up Robin Hood and ask him for some wealth distribution"

[Alf Bentley]

Bread not Bombs.

 

Homes not Spikes.

 

Bread pudding, not cherry bombes.

 

Home helps, not housing benefit spooks.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

Heartbreaking. Used to work for a young peoples homeless charity and seeing these makes my blood boil. Where is the heart in people?!

 

How many homeless young kids you got sleeping at your house Mr All heart ?

[MooseBreath]

I rightly said before that I were down but not out

We'll soon sort that out said the governmental louts

Went round and put spikes outside every bleeding house

Now where am I supposed to rest my head when I'm pissed and pranging out?

Can't even sit and count my daily begging money now

It's hard to find my way about with coins weighing me down

It were all so much better under that blair and brown

All the homeless ran the show, had the freedom of the town

But what about now?

Can't even say I'm down

Just out

Not down

Just out

[Merging Cultures]

I'm surprised this is news. I'm pretty sure I've seen things like this for years.

Given it looks like it is directly outside the front door of the building I can see why it's there. Imagine coming home late at night and someone is sleeping outside your front door. It could be very intimidating.

[Buce]

I'm surprised this is news. I'm pretty sure I've seen things like this for years.

Given it looks like it is directly outside the front door of the building I can see why it's there. Imagine coming home late at night and someone is sleeping outside your front door. It could be very intimidating.

You must be very easily intimidated if you feel threatened by someone who is asleep.

[Merging Cultures]

You must be very easily intimidated if you feel threatened by someone who is asleep.

Imagine... It could be...

I wouldn't want my wife to come home and have to pass people lying or sitting down, asleep or not, by the door way to where we lived.

You must be so compassionate.

Rincey, Buce says everyone can kip in his doorway.

[Buce]

Imagine... It could be...

I wouldn't want my wife to come home and have to pass people lying or sitting down, asleep or not, by the door way to where we lived.

You must be so compassionate.

Rincey, Buce says everyone can kip in his doorway.

The thing is, Baltimore, I don't need to imagine or speculate: I wasn't always lucky enough to live where I do now. As a young man, I lived in one of the more run-down areas of Leicester, and walking past rough sleepers was commonplace; not once did I experience any trouble, or feel threatened in any way. Most of them were just normal people, down on their luck, and were no less moral than you or I.