theessexfox Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 And who says some of those players won't struggle? We will see tomorrow how we will cope, but all our players will be up against top players/World Class players week in week out, not Championship standard one's. I just don't get the signing of Upson, apart from experience what does he bring? The likes of Morgan & Moore are going into unknown territory, they could do an excellent job but as for Upson not so long ago he was playing in the Premier League & struggling in terms of performances. It's the fact that he has struggled in the Premier League before, which is why fans are having doubts, the rest of the squad for them it's unknown territory apart from the odd one like Konchesky & Nugent. Well they might struggle, so might Upson - they all excelled in the same league last year, so you can't use that argument against Upson and not Drinkwater, James, Vardy, Mahrez, etc - it is a better league, we shall see whether they struggle. Upson proved last year that he can be as capable a defender as any of ours by being in a better defence than ours, so he clearly brings talent as well as some know-how in the Premier League (which I think is overrated anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 I think we're 3 signings short of having a 'good enough' squad. A centre half (Virgil van Dijk), a defensive midfielder (Esteban Cambiasso or Leroy Fer) and a striker (Islam Slimani). That'd be an outlay of about £20m but I really think it's needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGLCFC Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 I think we're 3 signings short of having a 'good enough' squad. A centre half (Virgil van Dijk), a defensive midfielder (Esteban Cambiasso or Leroy Fer) and a striker (Islam Slimani). That'd be an outlay of about £20m but I really think it's needed. Yep - I tend to agree, but would also like Zeki Fryers at left back on loan too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImBlue Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 This is such a ridiculous argument. We also played in the Championship, which isn't the Premier League, so should we discount the performances of the likes of James, Drinkwater, Vardy and Mahrez? You can't have it both ways: Upson was in a defence which was better than Moore/Morgan/Wasilewski, so should we get rid of them too? After all we're not in the Championship anymore. Difference is, those are currently on our books, and if they don't make it, we move them on. Natural progression would mean getting BETTER players and no matter what you tell me, he is no better than Wes and Was. Our additions should compliment a relatively untested bunch of championship players with top players, not players that finished below them last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theessexfox Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 Difference is, those are currently on our books, and if they don't make it, we move them on. Natural progression would mean getting BETTER players and no matter what you tell me, he is no better than Wes and Was. Our additions should compliment a relatively untested bunch of championship players with top players, not players that finished below them last season. Okay well I think Upson is a good player and man to have around this year, we'll have this discussion about our additions on the whole when the window shuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfan92 Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 AKCJ, on 15 Aug 2014 - 6:41 PM, said: I think we're 3 signings short of having a 'good enough' squad. A centre half (Virgil van Dijk), a defensive midfielder (Esteban Cambiasso or Leroy Fer) and a striker (Islam Slimani). That'd be an outlay of about £20m but I really think it's needed. MGLCFC, on 15 Aug 2014 - 6:45 PM, said:MGLCFC, on 15 Aug 2014 - 6:45 PM, said:MGLCFC, on 15 Aug 2014 - 6:45 PM, said:Yep - I tend to agree, but would also like Zeki Fryers at left back on loan too would love these to happen - tempted to say I'd love Deeney too - I think he'd score more than Slimani - although I'd be happy with either However while I worry about the depth of our squad if we get injuries I don't worry too much about the quality we have or the signings made thus far I also trust the manager that took a team that was in the 3rd tier not so long ago - removed all the pre-madonna's from the ranks - installed a belief amongst the players that took them to break so many records last season I can see why he'd want to give some of these players a chance to prove themselves - you could argue they have deserved that chance - but I am hoping we get players in to cover any injuries - because we can give our lads the opportunity - but we need to account for worst case scenarios - i.e. injuries or the fact that some just don't make the grade at this level As for the fact some defenders are getting old - if they keep us up this year we can look to the future after - or in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 This is such a ridiculous argument. We also played in the Championship, which isn't the Premier League, so should we discount the performances of the likes of James, Drinkwater, Vardy and Mahrez? You can't have it both ways: Upson was in a defence which was better than Moore/Morgan/Wasilewski, so should we get rid of them too? After all we're not in the Championship anymore. I think the point is, whilst those players are unproven in the top league, Upson has played in the top flight and had to drop down a division. Plus he's old and there's no room for improvement, only regression. I too think Upson is a poor signing, as with Ulloa. These may be decent Championship players but I feel they're too slow for the top division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 Our survival in the Premier League won't depend on how they can deal with those players - almost no team outside the top 7 can. Why can't people realise this? I just dont know any players outside top 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHC Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 Leicester will maybe just survive by the skin of their teeth with the current squad and a bit of luck, but I'm greedy and I want more so I say get some players in of actual quality, that are a step forward and not a side step and aim for lower mid table. The defence is average at Championship level but was made to look better then it was by our sheer ruthless attacking last season. I'm under no illusions about our attack, I know a Premier League quality attacking move when I see it, and last season I seen it hundreds of times. The likes of Vardy, Knockaert, Mahrez, Drinkwater and Co are all of Premier League standard. We need defenders quite desperately in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theessexfox Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 I think the point is, whilst those players are unproven in the top league, Upson has played in the top flight and had to drop down a division. Plus he's old and there's no room for improvement, only regression. I too think Upson is a poor signing, as with Ulloa. These may be decent Championship players but I feel they're too slow for the top division. Fair enough but I don't think Upson has been brought in as a starter (he definitely won't be now) and he's a good member to have in the squad, both as cover and as an experienced head around the place. It's been said before but pace isn't the be all and end all of success in the PL, look at Mertesacker for CB and Lambert for a striker. They're both better than the two you name but a lack of pace isn't necessarily a problem for them. They've both made careers without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImBlue Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 Fair enough but I don't think Upson has been brought in as a starter (he definitely won't be now) and he's a good member to have in the squad, both as cover and as an experienced head around the place. It's been said before but pace isn't the be all and end all of success in the PL, look at Mertesacker for CB and Lambert for a striker. They're both better than the two you name but a lack of pace isn't necessarily a problem for them. They've both made careers without it. World Cup winner mertesacker? Good comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theessexfox Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 World Cup winner mertesacker? Good comparison.Wasn't a comparison, was an example of a defender who has coped without pace in the Premier League. Huth a better example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImBlue Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 Wasn't a comparison, was an example of a defender who has coped without pace in the Premier League. Huth a better example? But Upson DIDNT COPE. that's just the point. Huth younger and quite frankly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theessexfox Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 Upson coped for a long while - I'm not saying that anyway, I'm saying a lack of pace isn't always terminal in the prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMELcfc Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 Hi, all a bit foreign to me this forum stuff, but why has the Cambiasso thread been locked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox 4 Life Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 From England confirmations of the transfer of Esteban Cambiasso to Leicester are arriving. According to the Leicester Mercury the Argentine has already carried out the medical examinations and at the moment he’s in a well-known hotel in Leicester waiting for his move to the Premier League and Leicester to become official. Source: fcinternews.it http://www.sempreinter.com/2014/08/15/leicester-mercury-cambiasso-has-already-carried-out-the-medical-transfer-to-leicester-official-soon/ Have they been reading foxestalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagofox Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 I'd rather we tried harder to sign our targets I doubt we did/are doing anything other than trying as hard as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 Hi, all a bit foreign to me this forum stuff, but why has the Cambiasso thread been locked? I'd suspect because more than usual on this forum the posts added pages and pages of nothing new to the thread topic. My 3 or 4 included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMELcfc Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 I'd suspect because more than usual on this forum the posts added pages and pages of nothing new to the thread topic. My 3 or 4 included. I see, thought that might be the case... still, it was the quickest way of finding anything new out, whether it was BS or not. Now I have to trawl through Twitter, Facebook, Sky Sports Transfer Centre, this forum... I really need to get out more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Walsh5 Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 StanSP, Qwerty, PWII, you know anything about any likely transfers #ITK #InsideInfo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanchy Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 Can't help but feel this transfer window will prove expensive for us. 3 very difficult fixtures before will put pressure to react quickly. Waggy for 3m territory only worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakey Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 It's quite frustrating that the last signing was 24 days ago and we start the season tomorrow with only 8 first team defenders 1 being bakayogo and the other being upson on the medical table. Really hope there are more deals to be struck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 Needs to be more deals, but we have always tended to do well when there hasn't been a major overhaul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULCFC Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 See how we get on with what we have....Then PANIC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich77 Posted 15 August 2014 Share Posted 15 August 2014 Frimpong available good defensive midfield and kalou looking to come back to premier too could be worth a punt both got top flight experience and both free transfers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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