Did we use McArthur?

[Larry_LCFC]

Meh, life is a bitch and some people wont always get what they want.  Just the name of the game.

[roger the dodger]

not happy at all would rather of had Mcarthur instead. think Cambiasso has come for a last big  pay day 

[Jordan]

Dave Whelan after our initial bid.....

"We recieved a bid from Leicester and we've given them our reply this morning - he's not for sale at that price.

Our number one priority is the club, the second is the player, and we always look at things in that order.

I wouldn't stand in the way of anybody wanting to play in the Premier League though, so we'll see how much Leicester want him."

He knew what he was doing.

Right, he damn well did.

If Leicester decided to be dicks about the transfer, then good, I'm glad Whelan got hustled. That's what you get for running your mouth.

But really, Leicester didn't use McArthur; Whelan tried to use Leicester. He ran his mouth in the press to put pressure on Leicester to finish the deal and create urgency for other clubs that were interested (ahem, Palace) to get their own bids in before it was too late. Leicester City don't play that shit.

The talk about not wanting to stop McArthur from playing in the Premiership is bullshit; if a Championship side called Whelan and offered a £7m bid, Whelan would be all ears.

[Maybes]

Balls up on Wigan's side not ours.

 

They are the ones who have acted unprofessionally, judging by that article.

[buzzy]

we dont know what the truth is but if some of you think whelan is a shit i also think terry robinson also comes into that catagory .thats my opinion

[sylofox]

Bad Taste lol Who gives a fvck.

 

You think we are the only ones in the history of the game to do this.

Just as clubs release details about a supposed sale so they can create a bidding war.

 

 

As long as our club are doing nothing illegal I don't care what tactics they use.

At the end of the day it is LCFC that count not a player or some sad fat chairman at another club.

 

Given the chance every club would do it to us so fvck em.

[Babylon]

we dont know what the truth is but if some of you think whelan is a shit i also think terry robinson also comes into that catagory .thats my opinion

You can see the difference between forming an opinion on someone thanks to years of gobshite comments, comments about this transfers and actual facts. And forming opinions on Terry Robinson, who as far as I know hasn't made a single comment since he arrived, a man who nobody barely talks about, nobody has said anything bad about, a man who we have absolutely no idea about, or what instructions from above he is working under.

We can all have opinions, but if you base them on nothing but guess work and rumour then they aren't really worth much.

[johnny the fox]

Whelan played poker and lost... now Wigan are bellyaching..

[Biggus]

McArthur is now not worth as much to us because we have Cambiasso.

So now is the time to put in a lower bid for McArthur. Let's see if a premiership opportunity is desirable for him and if Whelan was bluffing.

[Fox Ulike]

So you think it's right to take a pop at the club when you don't know the full story?

Whether its this or anything else I'm sick of people using everything to beat the manager, the DOF etc with.

There are a certain group who I don't think understand the concept of 'benefit of doubt'. I would have thought the nonsense about Pearson and his "fall outs" would have made a few people realise that they know only a fraction of the detail.

People were saying they wanted rid of him because of that. That he was making us lose out on great players like Danns, Mills and Beckford because of his ego, because he couldn't work with "big name" players etc. Stuff like that can be poisonous and damaging.

Thankfully they were all made to look stupid, but a bit of brain engagement before taking the knife out and it wouldn't have happened to start with.

Now posing a question, and wondering if there is a problem there is one thing. Using it as categorical fact to beat people with us something else.

Jeez that's an uncharacteristic over-reaction has your account been hacked?

The question was: have we used McArthur?

Answer: A bit, probably.

Are we bovvered about it?

Answer: no, not really.

Everyone then just acknowledges we live in an imperfect world and moves on. No-one's died.

[Babylon]

Yes, said as much yesterday.

Oh well there is a surprise. Who would possibly think you'd moan about the club in some capacity.

[Babylon]

Jeez that's an uncharacteristic over-reaction has your account been hacked?

The question was: have we used McArthur?

Answer: A bit, probably.

Are we bovvered about it?

Answer: no, not really.

Everyone then just acknowledges we live in an imperfect world and moves on. No-one's died.

As I stated it's not just about this point, and tried not to point it at the all at the OP. It's a general point about this board and a certain few people who do nothing but slate the club on virtually everything with zero to back it up half the time.

[Micky]

Who gives a ****.

[buzzy]

You can see the difference between forming an opinion on someone thanks to years of gobshite comments, comments about this transfers and actual facts. And forming opinions on Terry Robinson, who as far as I know hasn't made a single comment since he arrived, a man who nobody barely talks about, nobody has said anything bad about, a man who we have absolutely no idea about, or what instructions from above he is working under.

We can all have opinions, but if you base them on nothing but guess work and rumour then they aren't really worth much.

so are you saying i talk gobshite

[Babylon]

I stated it doesn't look good/cover us in glory. Which I stand by, I don't think the article does.

Yes I understand the structure had to be agreed on payment but the valuation was agreed between the clubs, very similar to suarez/Barcelona. I'm assuming we didn't agree a structure on the £5m bid either but that constituted a bid, it had to have done because we returned. And because it suits us, the £7m wasn't because it wasn't agreed how we pay it.

I agree there is legs in that he should have announced it until it was done and dusted but my point is a side of dave whelan. we agreed to meet a valuation for a player, so the player would obviously be told, in my opinion, just to push cambiasso which I think is slightly poor form on the player.

I don't think anyone would like it if one of our players were used like that.

Insightful. Muppet.

They can't accept a bid if they don't agree the payment terms. Agreeing a fee and accepting a bid are two different things.

If we submitted a bid, with the payment terms we wanted, which they then turn down (as they freely admitted) then we are very much within our rights to not go back and change how we want to pay if we don't want to.

Wigan made the mistake of presuming we were going to do it the way they wanted (knowing our need for players), they jumped the gun, informed the player he was off and blabbed to the press.

To use him we'd have needed to have no intention of ever signing him, which just makes no sense, but we don't know for sure. We didn't know Cambiasso would change his mind, if he hadn't then we'd have probably signed the guy from Wigan.

That's not using him, that's just circumstances changing.

[Collymore]

I don't understand why he said good bye to his team mates before even negotiating a contract, let alone the clubs agreeing payment structure.  

[Babylon]

so are you saying i talk gobshite

I'm saying what facts, comments, articles, information etc have you used to come to your conclusion on Robinson and what he's doing or not doing for us?

[Monsell1976]

Fault lays at wigans door, give Pearson his due, he never talks about individuals, like he says, for this exact reason.

If Wigan have jumped the gun like it's a done deal, leaves them open to getting egg on their faces.

I think their anger comes from not getting a hefty fee, and shopping and doing deals on the back of the fee, assuming the monies in the bank.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

Who used who here?

 

Our club have made no public comment on the player.

 

As the Cambiasso situation dragged on (and he was always the number one target), Leicester had to sound out other options just in case it didn't happen - and they did this privately.

 

Whelan on Wednesday then said they'd accepted our bid for McArthur - repeated by most media outlets, local and national. My information (and information also subsequently given to the Mercury) was that Leicester strongly disagreed with Whelan's assessment of the situation. (And that's putting it lightly.) 

 

One might argue Whelan spoke publicly to hurry us along and/or circulate the availability and price of a player he was keen to offload.

 

I don't see how we used McArthur at all. I do think Wigan used us a bit.

 

A lot of transfers are conducted privately - some happen, some don't - but you don't get all this bitching from one club to another. Wigan made it public, their manager now has to back his chairman.

 

It could've played out very differently - and without fuss - had it not been brought into the public domain. And it wasn't us who did that.

[sylofox]

To right Mr RS.

Mr fat boy slim used it to provoke a bidding war and lost.

 

Had we spoke to the player agreed terms then pulled yes we used him but we never.

[Tom's Pasta]

I'd like to think that MacArthur was the back up plan if cambiasso didn't work out. The cambiasso deal looked in doubt so we put a bid in to ensure we definitely at least signed the back up option, then it turned out cambiasso could go ahead so we pulled out of the MacArthur deal. I don't see anything wrong with that, it's just business.

[Carl the Llama]

I came on here expecting a ton of hyperbolic morons shouting at each other about how we are/aren't shit at transfers, so it's nice to see the usual suspects talking sense as normal but instead of this rationality provokinh a flame war, a general consensus seems to have been agreed that yeah, this is all down to DW's gobshite behaviour.

 

I'm proud of you all today(one until recently obscure shit-spout excepted - school holidays?).

[gazfox9]

Leicester never confirmed anything, Whelan started making announcements in public, not us.

If we had agreed a price but not a pay structure then Whelan hadn't accepted our offer and shouldn't have announced that he had.

We have released zero information about Mcarthur it has all come from Whelan, I suspect Whelan knew it wasn't quite all confirmed but announced it as being so, and praising our conduct to ensure it went through as we were massively over valuing the player.

Geoff Peters said repeatedly on Twitter and on here that our offer hadn't been accepted.

Well said.

[scinnell]

aha. It is part and parcel of the game, you have to have a series of transfer targets to not miss out on a selected position that needs covering. Simples!

[Trav Le Bleu]

The article says, and I quote...

 

I feel sorry for James. I think James got used in a way.

 

 

Rosler, doesn't say "who" it was that used McArthur though.

 

Capisce?