cjslcfc Posted 10 November 2014 Posted 10 November 2014 Stupid thread. Why? It's not a "blame cambiasso" thread. It's a good discussion as to whether we are trying too hard to accommodate a big-name talented player, or whether it's a case of Pearson just trying too hard to change his approach to the league. As Pearson would say, "don't like it, don't come!".
cjslcfc Posted 10 November 2014 Posted 10 November 2014 King's best position is at the head of a diamond but he hasn't delivered. If NP wants to persist with Cambiasso, Drinkwater and James, why not have Mahrez at the top of the diamond, in a free role if you like, where he can be creative for Ulloa and Vardy. He's not a Dyer-esque winger, who merely relies on pace to unsettle players (with very limited end product it has to be said), Mahrez has bags of skill as well. Or play Mahrez and Knocky out wide with Ulloa on his own. It's proving tough for NP to find the right blend but I don't think the players have helped themselves at times. I think everyone wants to see Mahrez start again as he is wonderful to watch and can certainly unlock a defence like none of our other players can. I reckon the tip of the diamond would suit (if Pearson persists with this) and gives him the opportunity to float around and influence play a lot more. Just get him back in, Nige!
Mike Oxlong Posted 10 November 2014 Posted 10 November 2014 I'm simply asking the question. Others have suggested this may be the case, so I've put it out there. If you don't want to constructively contribute, move on... Personally, I feel Cambi has performed no worse than anyone else, but does he 'fit'? I dunno. Is he epileptic?
Guest ttfn Posted 10 November 2014 Posted 10 November 2014 King's best position is at the head of a diamond but he hasn't delivered. If NP wants to persist with Cambiasso, Drinkwater and James, why not have Mahrez at the top of the diamond, in a free role if you like, where he can be creative for Ulloa and Vardy. He's not a Dyer-esque winger, who merely relies on pace to unsettle players (with very limited end product it has to be said), Mahrez has bags of skill as well. Or play Mahrez and Knocky out wide with Ulloa on his own. It's proving tough for NP to find the right blend but I don't think the players have helped themselves at times. The head of a diamond is definitely not King's best position. The only time we'd tried it before this season was 11/12 under Sven when we succeeded in entirely neutering the goal threat of somebody who'd got 15 in a 2-3 man midfield the previous year. He's best as the box-to-box man in a 3 in my view. I think King's game is far more suited to being one of the two on the sides of the diamond than at the tip.
MattGamble92 Posted 10 November 2014 Posted 10 November 2014 King's best position is at the head of a diamond but he hasn't delivered. If NP wants to persist with Cambiasso, Drinkwater and James, why not have Mahrez at the top of the diamond, in a free role if you like, where he can be creative for Ulloa and Vardy. He's not a Dyer-esque winger, who merely relies on pace to unsettle players (with very limited end product it has to be said), Mahrez has bags of skill as well. Or play Mahrez and Knocky out wide with Ulloa on his own. It's proving tough for NP to find the right blend but I don't think the players have helped themselves at times. I like this idea. Mahrez gets a lot of criticism for not tracking back enough and by giving him a free role at the top of a diamond we have 3 midfielders behind him (whether it be Hammond, drinkwater, king or James) to do defensive work without being over run.
foxinsocks Posted 10 November 2014 Posted 10 November 2014 King's best position is at the head of a diamond but he hasn't delivered. If NP wants to persist with Cambiasso, Drinkwater and James, why not have Mahrez at the top of the diamond, in a free role if you like, where he can be creative for Ulloa and Vardy. He's not a Dyer-esque winger, who merely relies on pace to unsettle players (with very limited end product it has to be said), Mahrez has bags of skill as well. Or play Mahrez and Knocky out wide with Ulloa on his own. It's proving tough for NP to find the right blend but I don't think the players have helped themselves at times.this would be my choice too - however, I fully expect NP to bring back Nugent before backtracking on Mahrez!
Captain... Posted 10 November 2014 Posted 10 November 2014 The head of a diamond is definitely not King's best position. The only time we'd tried it before this season was 11/12 under Sven when we succeeded in entirely neutering the goal threat of somebody who'd got 15 in a 2-3 man midfield the previous year. He's best as the box-to-box man in a 3 in my view. I think King's game is far more suited to being one of the two on the sides of the diamond than at the tip. Agree, his goal scoring comes from the fact he can get a good shot away quickly and is a decent header of the ball, he is not a "creative" player, he is a finisher a ball winner, and a pass and move player. He doesn't have the vision and that killer pass like Mahrez or Knocky, a typical King goal comes from him winning the ball with an interception, passing the ball to a player near by, getting forward to receive the ball in the area and get a quick shot away. The tip of the diamond should be playing that killer ball, collecting it from the ball winners, running with it drawing in defenders and releasing the forwards when the defender commits themselves, that isn't King, the fact he scores goals and wears number 10 doesn't make him an attacking midfield or a diamond tip. I would like to see Powell given a full game there as he seems the only one capable of playing there, Nugent has done alright there, and Mahrez and Knocky could play there, but it isn't a natural position for any of them, so I would prefer us not to play it, but if we are going to persist with it, play Powell there.
LCFC Rennie Posted 10 November 2014 Posted 10 November 2014 Why? It's not a "blame cambiasso" thread. It's a good discussion as to whether we are trying too hard to accommodate a big-name talented player, or whether it's a case of Pearson just trying too hard to change his approach to the league. As Pearson would say, "don't like it, don't come!". To be honest, it does sound like a 'blame Cambiasso' thread.
cjslcfc Posted 10 November 2014 Posted 10 November 2014 To be honest, it does sound like a 'blame Cambiasso' thread. I suppose you could read it that way, but the OP was worded carefully and sensibly to discuss how he fits into the side and whether it is to our detriment. Some people will take it as a "blame Cambiasso" thread. Then again some are sometimes too quick to judge before they properly read. Considering the size of the name involved and our form, I'd say it's a very good question to ask. My honest opinion: he does fit and he's actually been one of the better midfielders. We're just playing poorly as a team and Nige hasn't changed the style to accommodate him but seemingly out of fear of premiership opposition. Which is strange considering our first few games.
LCFCSOULBOY Posted 10 November 2014 Posted 10 November 2014 Actually think he as been our best player. In every game that he as not started we get run over in the middle. When he came on in the second half of games we looked better. He cannot use his ability on the filed when all we do is lob the ball up to the opposing box for Vardy. He needs it on the ground to make the passes. Our other midfielders have forgotten how to pass lately. They seem so slow on the ball and then give it away. He can see the space where to play the pass but we don't have anybody there. With his qualities he must be so frustrated right about now.
Dan Posted 11 November 2014 Posted 11 November 2014 King's best position is at the head of a diamond but he hasn't delivered. If NP wants to persist with Cambiasso, Drinkwater and James, why not have Mahrez at the top of the diamond, in a free role if you like, where he can be creative for Ulloa and Vardy. He's not a Dyer-esque winger, who merely relies on pace to unsettle players (with very limited end product it has to be said), Mahrez has bags of skill as well. Or play Mahrez and Knocky out wide with Ulloa on his own. It's proving tough for NP to find the right blend but I don't think the players have helped themselves at times. Don't agree with that. He's always been far better a bit deeper as he defends well and is harder to mark when he ghosts forward. The rest however I fully agree with. If we're going to persist with the diamond (god forbid) I'd at least like Mahrez there a bit like what Liverpool did with Sterling.
Sooper Steve's shin Posted 11 November 2014 Posted 11 November 2014 King's best position is at the head of a diamond but he hasn't delivered. If NP wants to persist with Cambiasso, Drinkwater and James, why not have Mahrez at the top of the diamond, in a free role if you like, where he can be creative for Ulloa and Vardy. He's not a Dyer-esque winger, who merely relies on pace to unsettle players (with very limited end product it has to be said), Mahrez has bags of skill as well. Or play Mahrez and Knocky out wide with Ulloa on his own. It's proving tough for NP to find the right blend but I don't think the players have helped themselves at times. Completely agree with this. We have the players to play different formations, but I don't think we've put the right ones in. If you play a diamond then I'm fine with Cambiasso at the base, James and DD in the middle - but you need some good movement and running from the top. Mahrez or Nugent are better options for coming out wide from that role and compensating the lack of width. Equally, you want quick and mobile full backs supporting that formation, so I agree with Schlupp coming in for Konch. And while I think Moore is great, I also see the value of an experienced head at the back if you're going to have both full backs pushing on. It seems to me like we are getting there through fine tuning and Pearson clearly wants to have a more deep-lying midfield player in this league, so we are adjusting the formation accordingly. Whether that's the right way, I don't know - last season we looked strong (in a lower league) with a pretty straightforward 4-4-2 and a flat midfield. I wouldn't be unhappy if we went back to that (or used it as an alternative), but for balance I think it has to be two from DD, James and Cambiasso (King and Hammond in reserve) in the middle and two from Mahrez, Knockaert and Albrighton out wide.
ImBlue Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Seen a few posts on Cambiasso in match thread etc. How do you think he has done so far? Does his style of play affect the way the team plays?
Master Fox Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 His pace is dragging the team down. Every week he's two yards off the opposing player. It's so frustrating watching him trudge around the field. I'd much rather revert to Drinkwater & James and hope it works as well as last season.
Stevosevic Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Think he has been fine personally - more disappointed with Drinkwater and James.
Guest ttfn Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Hes been a tad dissapointing given the hype What exactly were you expecting? He's 34 and playing in a new league and yet he's been one of our better players (although as CCF said that's not much of an accolade). As the poster above says I've been more disappointed with James and especially Drinkwater.
Tommy G Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 What exactly were you expecting? He's 34 and playing in a new league and yet he's been one of our better players (although as CCF said that's not much of an accolade). As the poster above says I've been more disappointed with James and especially Drinkwater. Just expected him to be better. Age doesnt really come into it look at Lampard. Just my opinion, I also agree Drinkwater has been very poor so far
westernpark Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Some of his passing is 5 or 6 steps above our team, which may the problem. Doesn't need pace, as usually knows where the ball is going to fall. IF we can utilise him properley, could be a real match winner.
Benji Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Don't you just love opinions. Personally think he's been our best player for the past couple of games. Other than the odd counter-attack where clearly he's not going to keep up with play all the time, I genuinely don't notice him looking slow or behind the pace. Quite the opposite, I think he's very smart in thinking ahead of the game and compensating for his legs with his brain/positioning - he's always just nipping infront of players before they have the chance to get away. His vision and passing is just at a different level and there's no coincidence that he's already scored two goals - he just knows where to be all the time. We really should be looking elsewhere in the team for places to improve.
Thracian Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 The problem with Cambiasso is not what he does but what he doesn't do. He has two major probolems in English football. a) He's useless in helping to defend anything in the air and we need supp;lementary help at set pieces like every other team. b) He marks space rather than tracking runners and that space has cost us dearly at times. Coupled with his not really having the legs to be a fully functioning key midfielder and you've got a weakness that, with the bloke's undoubted skills and deft passing, can look like a strength. Despite what some might think, I don't see King as being all the answers - and certainly not without his being given a specific role that he can reasonably be expected to master - but his loss as defensive supplement and his loss as an accurate passer and potential goalscorer is considerable. I actually think Kind should leave for his career's sake and have believed this for a while. He needs to be playing at a club like Swansea where they really do try to pass and move. King's having to involve himself in too much at Leicester and he just doesn't have the energy levels and pace necessary to do so much. He needs to have a much more defined role - probably as a fulcrum like Neil Lennon - and with someone like Schlupp outside him so there's a full-range of passing options.
ianormondroyd Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Don't you just love opinions.Personally think he's been our best player for the past couple of games. Other than the odd counter-attack where clearly he's not going to keep up with play all the time, I genuinely don't notice him looking slow or behind the pace. Quite the opposite, I think he's very smart in thinking ahead of the game and compensating for his legs with his brain/positioning - he's always just nipping infront of players before they have the chance to get away.His vision and passing is just at a different level and there's no coincidence that he's already scored two goals - he just knows where to be all the time. We really should be looking elsewhere in the team for places to improve. I agree with this. Maybe as well if he plays regular we should try him as captain as he appears to be talking and encouraging constantly, more than Wes seems to anyway!
Riot Van Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 This thread is ridiculous. He basically got us two goals against QPR, one being his goal and the other an extremely delicate volley to Albrighton, which most players would have snatched at.
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