Babylon Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 It is common sense to want to stay in the Premier League otherwise what is the point? They may as well have not bothered purchasing the club. They have said from day one that the target is to get to the Premier League and stay there, they said it before the season started. It's also common sense to run the company sensibly and not at a loss. Businessmen who run their companies at a loss are usually not businessmen for very long... unless they are a bank of course. That's why I'm saying it's not as easy to say stay in the premier no matter what. They could have decided some time ago they would not put any more money into the club, we cut back for FFP when others flouted the rules openly, that tells me they take that seriously. They came up knowing it would be very difficult to stay in the league, we all know that. With that in mind they may have taken the decision that they wouldn't spend too much in case we went down as that could have left us in a mess. We just don't know what their attitude is, you can't compare their attitude when first purchasing the club to the one they have now. We've seen them change and we've seen them learn some very expensive lessons. We've seen them reap the rewards of sticking with a man you no doubt wanted out a few seasons back. Talking of targets they have also said it's a long term thing, they have also said the club needs to run on it's own two feet. And just recently they said "it's very important that we maintain some perspective in the coming weeks." Something a lot of fans could do with.
MC Prussian Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 We have just truly been spoilt by a successful last year and start to Prem. We're spoilt by a portion of fans who can and will never be pleased and who lack a realistic outlook, living in the glory years forevermore.
Bayfox Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Nobody is saying he hasn't made mistakes, I've pointed out enough myself. I didn't think the diamond was the way forward and I don't think it's a fluke we've looked better going forward since that went away. I've always maintained that I'm happy to go down having a go like we did at QPR, than surrendering without a fight like we were in the Diamond. I think we have more chance picking up points playing our usual attacking way than trying to be something we aren't. this. and that's why if he sticks with 442 he stands a chance. with the diamond he's a goner.
MC Prussian Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 It is common sense to want to stay in the Premier League otherwise what is the point? They may as well have not bothered purchasing the club. They have said from day one that the target is to get to the Premier League and stay there, they said it before the season started. Football is a business based on results and if our current predicament doesn't improve they will sack Pearson. Business has no place for sentimentality and although I would not be pleased to see Pearson go, I wouldn't be particularly saddened either. For me staying in the Premier League is critical and far more important then sticking with Pearson for sentimental reasons. I've had enough of the Championship, I don't want to go back so if staying up at the expense of Nigel Pearson is what it takes then so be it. Of course it is a gamble whatever we do, stick or twist? Stick with Pearson and we gamble our Premier League status. Twist and replace him with another manager and it is the same outcome except the successor will probably have more experience in turning around a club like Leicester's fortunes in this league. If we are to replace him it needs to be before the transfer window so it's a matter of urgency for me. If Pearson is still in charge come January 1st then I would rather we stuck by him no matter what happens but at the moment I am edging towards getting Pulis in. If staying in the Premier League was only that easy as you're trying to make out. The owners have shown patience and common sense in allowing Nigel Pearson to work on the promotion plan over the course of several years, which doesn't suggest they're trigger-happy to sack him when things aren't working out in his first proper outing as a Premier League manager. We want to maintain the Premier League status by sportive success, not simply by throwing £££ around. Which I think is a pretty sensible strategy. You might be able to replace him with more "experience" in saving struggling teams for relegation (and we're not even remotely there), but it doesn't guarantee salvation.
Monsell1976 Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Not At All. But in his first spell he did nothing wrong. In his second spell he had one bad spell and fans wanted him out for him to come back and prove everyone of them wrong. He is now in the top division for the first time like many of our players. He like most of our fans thought we would rip this up. (some did not) To start with people would have been happy with 2pts from the first 6 games and he got 8. So because we did people were talking europe and him going to Newcastle or even England. People that kept a little level headed knew it would not last and would end at some point. Just a shame that people can not give it time 1pt of 17th and we are not getting battered week in week out. Going into Jan Nige will know what he needs and wants he's seen the short comings of this squad. But hey lets sack him bring in a new guy and let him sort out a squad he don't know. Then we end up getting battered and going down heavy so lets sack him then a new guy and more squad destruction and so it goes. By getting rid we risk 10yrs like the last 10 and the only high spots in all 10yrs were given us by Nigel not the other 10 managers we had. Not including this summer nige has not spent the most money even. If we were getting dicked 3, 4, or 5-0 every week yes I would want him gone. He also seems to have learnt as he seems to have finished with his diamond. Since the Man U game we have picked up two points, losing 1-0 or 10-0 we are getting zero points.Ok let's stick with him, let's say we get 2 points in the next say 10 games, shall we stick with him, he did win the championship, and then say we carry on till the end of the season in the same form, shall we keep him, like as some are saying we are nailed on for promotion if or when we go down. He gets us promoted again, and we end up being in the same state, keep him he's got us 3 titles. Wether a fan or not, he has got to start producing results, because whatever anyone thinks he is paid millions to do that. All this talk about January, the summer was the window to do the best buisness, not panic buys in January, and I for one, for many reasons, including we are bottom, cannot see us getting quality in. Look I'm not bothered about Pearson at all, all I want is someone who can get us results, and give us at least a chance of staying up, early season I thought it was Pearson, but since Man U I am very much doubting it. Over to Pearson now, he keeps talking about fine margins, needing better performances, he's confident of changing things round, I say crack on, he is saying all the things we need to see. He has to get some points soon, or he will go
MHC Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 It's also common sense to run the company sensibly and not at a loss. Businessmen who run their companies at a loss are usually not businessmen for very long... unless they are a bank of course. That's why I'm saying it's not as easy to say stay in the premier no matter what. They could have decided some time ago they would not put any more money into the club, we cut back for FFP when others flouted the rules openly, that tells me they take that seriously. They came up knowing it would be very difficult to stay in the league, we all know that. With that in mind they may have taken the decision that they wouldn't spend too much in case we went down as that could have left us in a mess. We just don't know what their attitude is, you can't compare their attitude when first purchasing the club to the one they have now. We've seen them change and we've seen them learn some very expensive lessons. We've seen them reap the rewards of sticking with a man you no doubt wanted out a few seasons back. Talking of targets they have also said it's a long term thing, they have also said the club needs to run on it's own two feet. And just recently they said "it's very important that we maintain some perspective in the coming weeks." Something a lot of fans could do with. A lot of food for thought there cheers. My only objection is that you stated I no doubt wanted Pearson out during our last bad run towards the end of the 2012/13 season. That's just not the case, I have never had any doubts about Pearson until now. In the Championship there wasn't a single manager who I believed could do a better job, and now we're in the Premiership I feel like I'm seeing Nigel Pearson vulnerable for the first time ever. It's not the Championship where I knew he would turn it around its the unfamiliar territory of the Premier League where I am truly worried he won't. Don't get me wrong, I may rant about him from time to time and that is normally post match when I am frustrated or angry, but I appreciate Nigel Pearson very much, I was devestated when he left to join Hull. I just doubt he is up to the Premier League, of course I would love him to prove me wrong, but I doubt he will which is a shame really because I've never doubted him before.
gosfox Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Got to be given the chance. If we finish 17th then job done, and a years experience for next season to push on. Rome wasn't built in a day
MC Prussian Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Don't care about what other clubs are doing or like. Comparing us to anyone at the moment is a joke we are BOTTOM get it BOTTOM. Blaming our position on if's and maybes and bad luck won't wash. We are not talking a few matches into the season where such things can make a difference . We are where we are because the team is not good enough and the team is not good enough because either Pearson or the owners did not buy any quality in the close season. They had the golden opportunity to make sure we would at least survive the first season , but instead chose to stack all their chips on the squad being good enough. They are not and will not stay up under this manager. I know it and despite what the poll on here shows most city fans know it. I bet you said we were good enough at the start of the season, in particular after sending out a message following the Manchester United game. We're not losing by large margins, sometimes we've been lucky (the win at Stoke, you could argue - or the 5-3 ManU result), other times unlucky (headers hitting the bar, two disappointing own goals). We are bottom now - for the very first time this season. If we're still bottom a few games away from the end of the season, then I'd sort of understand your stance. But right now, with 1/3 gone, with so many teams so close to one another, panic like yours is way over the top and unwarranted. You cannot plan ahead for safety in this division if you want to avoid relegation. You have to earn your right to stay in this league, and I don't think from what I've seen that we're not trying.
Babylon Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 A lot of food for thought there cheers. My only objection is that you stated I no doubt wanted Pearson out during our last bad run towards the end of the 2012/13 season. That's just not the case, I have never had any doubts about Pearson until now. In the Championship there wasn't a single manager who I believed could do a better job, and now we're in the Premiership I feel like I'm seeing Nigel Pearson vulnerable for the first time ever. It's not the Championship where I knew he would turn it around its the unfamiliar territory of the Premier League where I am truly worried he won't. Don't get me wrong, I may rant about him from time to time and that is normally post match when I am frustrated or angry, but I appreciate Nigel Pearson very much, I was devestated when he left to join Hull. I just doubt he is up to the Premier League, of course I would love him to prove me wrong, but I doubt he will which is a shame really because I've never doubted him before. Apologies in that case, I'm so use to the same people who have wanted out for a long time jumping on his back again I lumped you in with them!
Harry - LCFC Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Just goes to show again the silent majority should never be underestimated. Those who shout loudest often don't represent the majority. Indeed. Seeing the thread title I expected at least a third would want him gone.
whoareyaaa Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Give him till the end of the season, relegated or not, hes the best manager we've had for years, plus if we do go down I would rather go down with Pearson as he knows how to get out the championship having destroyed every record the club had last year. Think we would stay up though if they don't sack him with a few additions in January, I think they will give him a chance as they are loyal people and I think they will tell him to spend big in January.
Buzzell Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 I'd say keep him until the end of the season atleast but knowing football nowadays if things don't improve within the next 5 games I wouldn't be surprised if the owners decide to make a change in manager.
oohaahmustafa Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 He's not going to get sacked as the Thais have there heads screwed on correctly, unlike some of you reactionary idiots. Some of the stuff I read on here and Fb is embarrassing. Do you not remember last time? Glad to see the poll shows its just the stupid people shouting the loudest. Blue Army.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 We're spoilt by a portion of fans who can and will never be pleased and who lack a realistic outlook, living in the glory years forevermore. This Those who shout loudest often don't represent the majority. And this
Karljohn Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Can help his case by getting his big white trainers and himself to the dugout from the kick off tomorrow. Its easy to call for the guy to go but don't think the board backed him to the hilt. My take on it is they were unwilling to give serious cash to a manager unproven at this level. Theyll find out the hard way, now the chequebook will need to come out in January.
veezeeblue Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Let's all do The Pardew Let's all do The Pardew La Laaa La La La Laaa La La
ImBlue Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Keep him. I can't see any manager coming in and rescuing us now. Do you realise how stupid that sounds? You can't see anyone rescuing us, At the start of December, when it finishes in May? Then you say because we are doomed anyway, keep the manager that made the team and keeps putting the losing side out week in week out? Some people...
ImBlue Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Let's all do The Pardew Let's all do The Pardew La Laaa La La La Laaa La La Difference is, I'd love to bet pardew will be in the premier league next year and we won't. Difference was Newcastle were a team with quality not picking up results as opposed to a team lacking in quality that had a decent start..
ImBlue Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 He's not going to get sacked as the Thais have there heads screwed on correctly, unlike some of you reactionary idiots. Some of the stuff I read on here and Fb is embarrassing. Do you not remember last time? Glad to see the poll shows its just the stupid people shouting the loudest. Blue Army.You were obviously one of those that thought it was an outrage and a stupid decision for Southampton to sack Adkins too? You're not always right, only time tells that. But if you have the right man in charge, that gives you the best chance. The question is, is there a man better suited to helping us avoid relegation? Is it not? And well, with every passing week, those that believe Pearson is the man are starting to look more daft. Blind faith it seems. And it's funny that the Pearson lovers started saying '17th is good enough' and now it's 'we are where expected'. Then 'it's a long term plan' to 'he's the best man to get us up when we do go down'. A lot on here change there stance, and I can't remember anyone saying after 5 games that we should be 20th in the league with the squad, but it's funny when crap hit the fan with results how I'm the reactionary.
fuchsntf Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Babylon...has just posted the 3 best posts on this subject, and I am happy to see that the voting and quite a few other posters, are 'Pearsonites' as one negative user labelled the pro manager campagners. Not all for the same reasons, not all because its just about the man individually, and not because they consider him untouchable, but realise what the whole package across the whole club brings. I am sure even between the so called Pearsonites, opinions will differ within the spectrum. I for one believe the negative posters, who use 'he is tactically inept at this level' is just phrase dropping for the sake of it. Hes 13 games into a 1st season of the PL, with a squad, who are having their 1st real taste at this level. We started this season with injuries, our power house from last year not had too many of those 13 games together. Until now not one player, or small duo or trio of players linking up on any consistent level. Our best forward from last year not finding the net, when in excellent positions. Our better players not even getting their basic individual skills under control.Many too hectic, when moving forward, losing the ball too easy to the opposition.Our holding of the ball quite frankly has been pathetic. Drinkwater and James from last year, with the addition of Cambiasso, should of been our backbone of success, throwing in Mahrez and Vardy into that mix would have given a rollover of a decent amount of goal chances converted. Pearson trying different set ups and grouping is not a weakness but what you do at this level. Even if he had kept to single idea of style or tactic, our players have not yet proven that they themselves are good enough at this level, if just 4 of them could put in a couple of 90 minute performances, then how we judge team and Pearson, the whole experience and playing ethic would give us a totally different view point.
sylofox Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Beat Liverpool and he'll be in the running for England manager AGAIN But beat villa he will have the job.
sylofox Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 A surprisingly well thought out, insightful post! Fvck off. (Had not been on the cider but don't tell anyone)
Reg Vardy Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Most of our squad are 25 or under, we won the championship at a canter with this squad, Nigel got the best out of the players, we signed well to complete the job. We get promoted, we are one win away from the whole mood lifting......if it were my money, I would leave Nigel in situ until at least this time next year......I accept to stay up we need to win, but Sunderland and QPR was a return to passionate football after Swansea, WBA and Southampton....we have good young players, Moore,James, Drinkwater,Vardy, iSchlupp, Knocky,Wood, will all improve.....(Harry Kane anyone? Couldn't hit a barn door, here, now looks unplayable) have faith, stick with Nigel and the team and avoid the revolving managers door / squad demolition that will surely follow, not to mention old replacements (experienced?) that only come for the money.......really really hoping for a win tomorrow, think we can beat Villa on Sunday.....6 points would make a world of difference........
Marmite Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 We are trying to build something here and Pearson is and should be part of that. If we win the next 2 games we will be out of the relegation zone and he will be a king again. Football fans have very short memories and I am sure we are all (including me) been guilty of that at some time
sylofox Posted 1 December 2014 Posted 1 December 2014 Since the Man U game we have picked up two points, losing 1-0 or 10-0 we are getting zero points. Ok let's stick with him, let's say we get 2 points in the next say 10 games, shall we stick with him, he did win the championship, and then say we carry on till the end of the season in the same form, shall we keep him, like as some are saying we are nailed on for promotion if or when we go down. He gets us promoted again, and we end up being in the same state, keep him he's got us 3 titles. Wether a fan or not, he has got to start producing results, because whatever anyone thinks he is paid millions to do that. All this talk about January, the summer was the window to do the best buisness, not panic buys in January, and I for one, for many reasons, including we are bottom, cannot see us getting quality in. Look I'm not bothered about Pearson at all, all I want is someone who can get us results, and give us at least a chance of staying up, early season I thought it was Pearson, but since Man U I am very much doubting it. Over to Pearson now, he keeps talking about fine margins, needing better performances, he's confident of changing things round, I say crack on, he is saying all the things we need to see. He has to get some points soon, or he will go Yeah why not like if we had 2 pts now lets keep him. Where the fvck did I say that. At the moment we are one point off of survival we have had a bad run and the last 2 games have been better. I am just so glad you don't own the club and our owners have a little more patience than you. But then again it is not your money you would be pissing up the wall every time you booted a boss.
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