Should Big Nige be backed or sacked?

[Maybes]

Give him time. He's earn't that.

 

The guy has completely transformed our club and has brought in young hungry players who have something to prove at top flight level.

 

We should be proud of the side that he has build and should be sticking with our 2 times promotion winning manager.

[Monsell1976]

Good the majority are voting to stick with him, I'm very close wether in or out, and as said earlier just on the out.

Another half a dozen games, it's worth doing the poll again.

We would have turned it around and he gets 100 percent in, or we carry on as we are, and those voting stay, might have a change of heart.

A lot of my friends are hardened Pearson fans, and are saying keep him, but have admitted their faith is being tested, and could go either way if the results and performances carry on

[foxer]

He's been building something good for 3 years in preperation for the Premiership. I dont see any evidence to suggest that another year in the Championship would help at all?

Ok but how about a whole year in the prem before the championship? Experience is key and I'd stick with him for as long as we can

[Guest Col city fan]

Should stay, but he's gonna be in a massively difficult situation if we got into Christmas bottom.

The owners will probably want a change, and if they don't, who would join us in Jan, any better than what we have now?

The next few games are very big ones both for Pearson and the club. We need to win tomorrow to get some points and to instill some confidence in a squad that is dangerously near to caving.

IMO.

[inckley fox]

How many of the other teams that went down, did so with the same manager and kept him, they mostly change managers and struggle.

 

It doesn't prove anything about Pearson getting it wrong as we have no idea of budgets etc. Only the owners have that information.

 

I can't believe anybody is using what may or may not be better for us upon relegation as a reason for backing the manager.

 

Our aim is to stay up. That is what is best for our club's short AND long term future. I believe Pearson can do that, so I back him. If you don't, then I suggest you switch your allegiances and back the person you consider to be best for the club.

 

Of course, someone like Pulis has a pretty good record in the lower divisions too, so I hardly think that helps Pearson when it comes to a 'head-to-head' of who it would be best to go down with. And, as far as Pulis being a poor long-term choice is concerned, I seem to recall he got Stoke promoted in - what? - 2008, and they're still there now.

 

As for the point about clubs not sticking with their managers AFTER relegation, well no there are no guarantees either way. Some clubs, like West Brom and Newcastle, bounce back with a different manager. Others, like QPR, do it with the same boss. Some stick with the same boss and it goes wrong - Bolton and, you could argue, Reading. I certainly don't think you can plan now for having a guy in charge then!

[Jace]

Back Pearson, we havn't been 'overran' in any game this season, and to be honest not had a lot of luck, put that together with a lot of chances going begging Pearson isn't far off giving us a chance of staying up.

 

Its a very interesting stat under Pearson, we've never been beaten well in a league game other than Brighton I can think of? 

[Crinklyfox]

We're in a bad position right now but and opinion is divided as to how we can improve. Replacing the manager isn't a magic bullet - it fails as often as it succeeds..

A good manager gets the best out of the players at his disposal. This includes selecting the best players, the best tactics for a particular match and managing the players to help them achieve their potentials.

I don't have the knowledge or experience to determine if NP has been picking the best players. We have a Championship level team in the main, which you would expect from having been in the Championship last year. PL quality players rarely join Championship teams if they can get a place in a PL team. We don't know what the budget was in the summer and if it restricted the summer signings - it's apparent that the squad still needs strengthening, though, however we don't know if there is a budget for this in January. The owners have already put a lot of their money into the club.

We succeeded largely using 4-4-2 last season, a formation rarely used by PL teams, so no surprise really when trying different formations didn't produce the right results. NP is responsible for selecting those tactics, but would another PL manager have done differently?

I do believe that NP has instilled a positive culture into the club. We've lost too many matches but heads within the club don't appear to have gone down. If they had then I would be really worried, very little is achieved by people who believe that they aren't good enough to do a job.

I hate the idea of City going down this season but accept that it is a real possibility if improvements aren't made. But I spent a decade wondering if we were ever going to get back to the PL again, and was happy to see a manager and backroom staff that were able to take us there. The owners were happy enough too, giving NP a new contract. One thing I don't want to see is budget-breaking amounts of cash splashed on average players - if we did that and still went down that could cripple us for years. It's taken the owner's generosity and financial prudence to get us to where we are now and I don't want to see that thrown away.

So I voted to give NP more time.

[suffolk fox]

Its a very interesting stat under Pearson, we've never been beaten well in a league game other than Brighton I can think of?

This. A loss is a loss you get no points whether you lose 10 - 0 or 1 - 0? That's ok then is it? Dear oh dear .

[foxsake123]

Alan Pardew

Sam Allardyce

Like a Sun headline!

 

Let me fill in the blanks.

Both Pardew & Allardyce have a premier league track record with different Premier league teams.

 

DiMatteo promoted with WBA sacked in Prem. WBA survive.

Adkins sacked So'ton survive

Holloway resigns CP bottom of Prem, they survive.

Hughton sacked 1 month before season end. Norwich relegated.

Mcdermott gets sacked with 2 months before season end Reading relegated.

 

Leave it too late and its pointless to sack him.

The sooner the better as we have a fighting chance.

[chapero82]

the performance on saturday was not poor and it could have gone either way, I'm hoping pearson knows that we need some new additions, so I think we should give him more time and hopefully he will sort it out in January

[inckley fox]

The performances have been OK given the restrictions placed on the team by the manager’s strange team formations.

 

To only lose 1-0 to WBA despite playing no wide players and Konchesky as a wing-back was a good performance.

 

To only lose by one goal to QPR despite allowing them 32 attempts on goal thanks to our gung-ho approach was a good performance.

 

To draw with Sunderland despite having no attacking midfielders was a good performance.

 

To me, this indicates that the players are actually a good bunch. No-one gives up and so we are not easy to thrash. We are easy to beat though.

 

Most teams just get a goal or two up and then try and close the game out. Not us, we go 2-1 up against Burnley and bring on Knockaert!!

 

I think some of the things you are pointing out must be managerial error, then. E.g. doing well despite having no wingers.

 

But I'd prefer to see Nigel learn, get better, and make the necessary tweaks. On another thread someone said he needs a bit less of the 'we lost honourably' mentality and a bit more of the 'look, if we want to stay up then we have to do better', specifically as regards full backs (it seems everyone apart from them gets the blame). Other than that I'd broadly agree that there's quality in the squad.

[tylesta]

He's been building something good for 3 years in preperation for the Premiership. I dont see any evidence to suggest that another year in the Championship would help at all?

building for the premiership? he come in got rid of overpaid idiots and bought in younger hungry players to comply with ffp, so it wasnt the easiet start for nigel coming back here. it's a new experience for 95% of the playing squad this season management team aswell. i'm sure all will learn from there mistakes!

 

west brom are in there 4th season after droping in and out of the league for so many years. sven built for the prem buying overpriced premiership players, look were that nearly ended up! 

[tylesta]

This. A loss is a loss you get no points whether you lose 10 - 0 or 1 - 0? That's ok then is it? Dear oh dear .

Hate to say it nottingham forest 5 leicester 1

[lestajigs]

Why are we the only club in the country where the fans love the manager more than the club. Posts suggesting we are happy to go down as long as we keep Pearson etc are beyond belief. Have you all forgotten the Holy Grail of English football is to reach and stay in the Premiership. What is all this nonsense about going down with pearson for the stability of the club. Wake up people - going down does not provide stability. Staying the Premiership and receiving near 100 mill extra next season as a result provides stability and further funds to improve the team.

Pearson got us promoted after a couple of attempts - that is fact and well done for that althought many would argue if he had chopped and changed we would have been promoted in 2nd place the season before.

Past is past and now we are a struggling premiership side and the manager carries the can. Pearson is currently failing in the Premiership - fact. So he needs to go and be replaced with someone who has a chance of keeping us up. Staying with Pearson will all but guarantee relegation and these clowns talking about bouncing straight up - what planet are you on - no team has a devine right to bounce straight back up and we know that more than anyone. Bounce up with Pearson and what? same disaster and thick team / sub choices and thick arrogant tactical nonsense.

We could do with a poll covering real fans who have supported home and away for the last 30 years then you will see a different poll result. Having all the recent glory boys posting on here doesn't help matters as they do not realise the club who we support and not a single manager as managers come and go. Are these Pearsonites the same clowns who wanted Peter Taylor to be given more time - I am sure they are.

You are a disgrace to our great club and the club would be better off without such arrogant Pearsonites.

Come on owners sack this clown in charge and then hopefully his arrogant followers can follow him to the next club in the lower divisions as they clearly don't give a damn about Leicester City.

Accepting relegation in Nov/Dec is a pathetic joke from these clowns and saying we want to keep the manager and not care about relegation - unbelievable.

So where does it end clowns. Relegation to League One - you will keep him them for long stability, or is it Non League Football but still give him time.

You can not debate with brainless nitwits and we have several in the Pearsonite sect which is a shame.

Real fans want Pearson out as he is bad for our future - fact and end of debate so all the Pearsonites just jog on chumps and leave real football debate to the fans who go home and away.

I thought we were the only club in the country who dosnt like our manager, think iv heard his name sang twice all season

I thought we were the only club in the country who dosnt like our manager, think iv heard his name sang twice all season

Oh Newcastle, and West Ham

[UpTheLeagueFox]

You can not debate with brainless nitwits and we have several in the Pearsonite sect which is a shame.

 

Real fans want Pearson out 

 

There are plenty of 'brainless nitwits' amongst the Pearson Out brigade as well. The majority of 'real fans' I suspect are in the middle ground - not blindly supporting the manager but not demanding immediate change. (I'm in that group). The extreme views at either end of the debate aren't desperately pretty.

[Dickov22]

Like a Sun headline!

Let me fill in the blanks.

Both Pardew & Allardyce have a premier league track record with different Premier league teams.

DiMatteo promoted with WBA sacked in Prem. WBA survive.

Adkins sacked So'ton survive

Holloway resigns CP bottom of Prem, they survive.

Hughton sacked 1 month before season end. Norwich relegated.

Mcdermott gets sacked with 2 months before season end Reading relegated.

Leave it too late and its pointless to sack him.

The sooner the better as we have a fighting chance.

You're really comparing Pearson to the likes of Hughton and Holloway? Check his record at our club. It's fantastic. I find it disgraceful that fans can be so so fickle. I bet you wanted him out two seasons ago too when we went on that horrific run. Let's sack a manager on the back of 8 games rather than 5 years? Ridiculous.

Can't wait for him to prove people wrong (again)

[Corky]

Why are we the only club in the country where the fans love the manager more than the club. Posts suggesting we are happy to go down as long as we keep Pearson etc are beyond belief. Have you all forgotten the Holy Grail of English football is to reach and stay in the Premiership. 

 

It is no Holy Grail. The best part of football is winning trophies, not finishing 17th. You don't have open top bus tours for that, or put it on your honours list. 

 

How do you know that we are alone? Do you read every club messageboard? I could tell you that Burnley fans would want Dyche to stay even if they went down. I reckon Steve Bruce would still be popular in Hull. So we aren't alone on what would be a redundant point as I don't think the owners would keep him if relegated. Fans are entitled to their opinions though.

 

I'd rather stay up than go down as we'd have a better chance to build and there's no guarantee we'd return immediately but Holy Grail? Never.

[Babylon]

I can't believe anybody is using what may or may not be better for us upon relegation as a reason for backing the manager.

Who is?... I can't believe that somebody wouldn't take it into consideration though whilst planning ahead for ALL eventualities.

 

Like how people seemingly don't care that Pulis just walked out of Palace one day before the season. Utter cockish actions of a man only concerned about himself. Alarm bells would be ringing if I was the person looking at potential replacements.

[MHC]

The only opinion that matters is that of the owners and I can categorically guarantee that ensuring our status as a Premier League club will be of paramount importance to them this season. If we don't win one of the next two I fear for Nigel I really do.

[Babylon]

I can categorically guarantee that ensuring our status as a Premier League club will be of paramount importance to them this season.

But you can't guarantee it though, we had all this before when we went on a bad run. "The owners haven't spent all this money to finish 6th" stuff, they stuck with him knowing very well it might not get any better than that. Especially as he had to cut costs to comply with FFP.

 

The owners to my eyes have placed particular importance on running the club on a sound financial footing. Sacking managers and their team, bringing in managers who will no doubt want to rip everything up and bring in their own men doesn't really sit with that. They got their fingers burnt before sacking managers and throwing money at things, chasing a dream and it cost them to the tune of £100m.

 

So I'm not so sure it's as cut and dry as they being your average ruthless foreign owner.

[foxsake123]

You're really comparing Pearson to the likes of Hughton and Holloway? Check his record at our club. It's fantastic. I find it disgraceful that fans can be so so fickle. I bet you wanted him out two seasons ago too when we went on that horrific run. Let's sack a manager on the back of 8 games rather than 5 years? Ridiculous.

Can't wait for him to prove people wrong (again)

And this is the crux of the Keep NP camp's argument.

Emotional blackmail that those who want him out are fickle/unrateful.

[Dickov22]

And this is the crux of the Keep NP camp's argument.

Emotional blackmail that those who want him out are fickle/unrateful.

I bet you did want him out though a couple of seasons ago. I'm not a blind 'Pearsonite' , he's made some big errors this season in my opinion. We gifted the points to WBA, the diamond was a total disaster and baffling, he didn't sign enough quality defenders in the summer, for some reason he keeps giving Nugent game time. But, he's also the man behind us storming the championship last season, behind us getting some great results this season, and it's clear watching tunnel cam to me that the players love him. I just think he deserves time, he's learning a new Division just like the players are. We've been much better the last two games. I hope he stays

[kingfox]

So if it comes to it, people would rather be embarrassingly relegated as long as Pearson stays in charge.

 

Rather stay up and build on something in the Premier League, go back down it could take years to go back up.

 

Villa game is crucial for me, don't pick anything up from our next two games, he will be gone.

[dogadug]

I thought we were the only club in the country who dosnt like our manager, think iv heard his name sang twice all season

Oh Newcastle, and West Ham

 

Even when losing on Saturday, NP had his name chanted a few times and rightly so.

[Babylon]

So if it comes to it, people would rather be embarrassingly relegated as long as Pearson stays in charge.

 

Rather stay up and build on something in the Premier League, go back down it could take years to go back up.

 

Villa game is crucial for me, don't pick anything up from our next two games, he will be gone.

Of course people want to stay up, but it's not just a choice of get rid and we stay up, keep him and we go down.

 

I imagine the view point is that things are very close at the minute. We're not getting routed, we're 1 point worse off than Hull, QPR and Burnley, sacking him guarantees nothing (just as keeping him doesn't). So give him a go at keeping us up, give him and the players a chance to learn the league, give him a January window to add players to his squad now we can see who is and isn't working out. If the worst happens you still have a great set of Championship players and management.

 

Is that really such a ridiculous view point?

 

Personally without knowing what the owners know it's impossible for me to make the call. As certain information would swing me one way or the other. The way the owners have acted over the last couple of years I have a lot of faith in them to do what's right for them and to try and do what's right for the club.