Stay or Go

[MooseBreath]

The thing that's making me want him to stay in that we've barely spent anything in the last three years. Even Ulloa, in the context of the premiership, was not a huge signing. I get the sense that we held back on spending in the summer so that we could assess how well the current players would do first, before committing to serious investment.

That's quite a sensible strategy if you're planning long term, even if it means being cut adrift in the relegation places before January and ultimately going down. It means we'll have a much better idea of what is required next time.

If the owners have been thinking along those lines then they'll keep Pearson and give him funds to improve the team in January. They won't give up on the plan because this scenario would have been foreseeable.

[veezeeblue]

The thing that's making me want him to stay in that we've barely spent anything in the last three years. Even Ulloa, in the context of the premiership, was not a huge signing. I get the sense that we held back on spending in the summer so that we could assess how well the current players would do first, before committing to serious investment.

That's quite a sensible strategy if you're planning long term, even if it means being cut adrift in the relegation places before January and ultimately going down. It means we'll have a much better idea of what is required next time.

If the owners have been thinking along those lines then they'll keep Pearson and give him funds to improve the team in January. They won't give up on the plan because this scenario would have been foreseeable.

 

and seems to fit with the way the owners approach the game - hoping for big spend in Jan and some prem class playmaker

[Captain...]

Remember what happened last time we had a big Pearson out thread/poll?

Erm that's right, we stuck with him and the next season won the league and got promoted to the premier league for the first time in 10 years.

Don't be so quick to pull the trigger. Will people NEVER learn that sometimes you can't solve everything by just sacking the manager.

If we stick with him then we have a great chance of winning the league again next year...

It's obviously a stay from me.

[Mark_w]

So we've been waiting for Premier League football for 10 bloody years, not one, not two, TEN!

 

But fans wouldn't mind if we get relegated, as long as Pearson stays as manager; however there is no guarantee we will go straight back up.

 

Bizarre. 

 

Did you not read the post I was replying to?

[Babylon]

Were we not below these two teams this time last season??

Yes... Pearson should have been sacked last December. I think there is a serious problem with peoples expectations, not just our performances.

The only opinion I can't stomach is 'I'd rather us go down with Pearson than stay up without him'. That seems like pure insanity to me.

An opinion I've literally not seen on here, apart from when it's trotted out by people saying it's been said by others.

[Guest Col city fan]

The point that i made about Pearson staying with us even if he took us down was really about the owners.

I suggested that the owners stop any speculation dead in its tracks by publically stating that Nigel Pearson will remain our manager for the next two years regardless of our Premier League credentials. A public assertion that he will have the time he needs to develop us into a reputable Premiership side.

Wasn't one of the 'shouts' that was aimed at Nige at he Liverpool game 'you're all going to lose your jobs'? To my mind, a public statement by the Thais might have stopped shite like this being said, managed the expectations of the fans and got them off of Nige's back. Just a thought, but this definitive 'right...two years Nigel...however we do' might have helped all this bloody speculation. If its this bad now, it will be unbearable if we lose to Villa.

Edit..this two years would have been initially..ie after two years, a further decision is then made.

[Corky]

Just let Nige have arguments with fans, people bang on that's he dour and dull, this new side could be the best entertainment all season.

[Babylon]

The point that i made about Pearson staying with us even if he took us down was really about the owners.

What people keeps saying people have said, is completely different to what you said. So don't worry about it.

[Bettsj2]

I dont think anyone has said they'd prefer to get relegated with Pearson in charge than stay up. Quite a few have said if we did go down, he'd be the best person to take us back up which is a fair enough point of view.

I think if you could gaurantee survival in the Premiership but it would mean Pearson not being in charge, everyone would take it surely?

[Babylon]

I dont think anyone has said they'd prefer to get relegated with Pearson in charge than stay up. Quite a few have said if we did go down, he'd be the best person to take us back up which is a fair enough point of view.

I think if you could gaurantee survival in the Premiership but it would mean Pearson not being in charge, everyone would take it surely?

 

Of course they would, you'd be mental to think differently.

 

I think there is a good chance we'll improve enough under Pearson, but if the worst happened we'd have a decent manager in charge if we went down.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

[simpmeister]

It baffles me how so many supporters want Pearson to stay based on what he has achieved in the past for us? Yes it's fact that he has been the best manager for us since MON but at the end of the day there's no room for sentiment anymore. Yes I take my hat off to Nigel for getting us to to the premier league but we have waited 10 long years to get back here and so far he has shown that he isn't competent at this level. It took him around 9 games to settle on his best 11, he tampered with formations which ultimately cost us games and he didn't buy well at all in the summer. He seems to be cracking under pressure more with each game and this was shown even more so on Tuesday with his fan outburst and his continued arrogance when speaking to the press and journalists. I honestly would love to say that nigel is the best man for the job but as it stands, he's unfortunately showing that he's not the right person to take us to the next level and I fear that this could cost us our place in the premiership. We love our club and at the end of the day Leicester City is not just a football team to the owners it's a business, which ulitimately means they need to do what's best for business to ensure that we have the money to stay and compete in the top division.

[Bettsj2]

Of course they would, you'd be mental to think differently.

I think there is a good chance we'll improve enough under Pearson, but if the worst happened we'd have a decent manager in charge if we went down.

The only problem I can see if that was to happen is I would imagine a fair few players would want to leave. So regardless of who is in charge, it would be more rebuilding and i'm not sure an instant return would be as stonewall as some may think.

[LCFC Rennie]

Ooh, nearly said yes when I thought the question was saying "Should we keep Pearson as our manager" or something along those lines, as is the usual way of asking these questions. Curveball.

 

Trouble is this poll will get an overly negative reaction as people are returning from a disappointing evening in a bad mood. Always happens to me when we lose.

I clicked 'yes' thinking the same thing.

[Raj]

LAUDRUP.....Thats all Im saying.......

[MC Prussian]

The thing that's making me want him to stay in that we've barely spent anything in the last three years. Even Ulloa, in the context of the premiership, was not a huge signing. I get the sense that we held back on spending in the summer so that we could assess how well the current players would do first, before committing to serious investment.

That's quite a sensible strategy if you're planning long term, even if it means being cut adrift in the relegation places before January and ultimately going down. It means we'll have a much better idea of what is required next time.

If the owners have been thinking along those lines then they'll keep Pearson and give him funds to improve the team in January. They won't give up on the plan because this scenario would have been foreseeable.

Wow, a post from you which I can wholeheartedly agree with. Hats off to you MB, you're talking some sense here.

 

Like I've mentioned in another thread, the January transfer window should be very revealing as to where we're headed.

The current development, albeit being disappointing on a sportive level, strikes me as a clear-cut exercise in optimizing the resources at our disposal.

 

December is a month where the team is let out to be tested and assessed - based on that, we'll see smarter decisions being made in 2015.

[Babylon]

It baffles me how so many supporters want Pearson to stay based on what he has achieved in the past for us? Yes it's fact that he has been the best manager for us since MON but at the end of the day there's no room for sentiment anymore.

It has nothing to do with sentiment. It's a fact based argument.

 

We were behind QPR and Burnley this time last year and finished comfortably ahead of them both, could the same not happen again? People said before that he'd shown he wasn't good enough for the championship, then he rammed it down their throats. He's proven that he can turn things around, not always quickly but it does happen. He has been doubted time after time and so far always come out on top.

 

What baffles me is that people are so quick to judge after such a small number of games that he won't be good enough. Had we acted on that rash opinion before there is a good chance we wouldn't be where we are and you'd still we waiting for promotion.

 

He ultimately may not prove to be good enough, so be it if that's the case. But I refuse to press the panic button and get rid of someone who has proven himself to me time and time again. He'a a team builder, not a quick fixer.

[Monsell1976]

It has nothing to do with sentiment. It's a fact based argument.

We were behind QPR and Burnley this time last year and finished comfortably ahead of them both, could the same not happen again? People said before that he'd shown he wasn't good enough for the championship, then he rammed it down their throats. He's proven that he can turn things around, not always quickly but it does happen. He has been doubted time after time and so far always come out on top.

What baffles me is that people are so quick to judge after such a small number of games that he won't be good enough. Had we acted on that rash opinion before there is a good chance we wouldn't be where we are and you'd still we waiting for promotion.

He ultimately may not prove to be good enough, so be it if that's the case. But I refuse to press the panic button and get rid of someone who has proven himself to me time and time again. He'a a team builder, not a quick fixer.

I totally understand people backing him Babs, but all those who are backing him must appricate why people are concerned.

I have sat on the fence, even with the mistakes he's made, and expect him to learn from them, but his stubborness with the formation when it clearly didn't work, I think hasn't helped the teams confidence or the build up of poor results.

I will say performances the last few games are encouraging, but still no points.

I honestly believe last time we had this sort of run under Pearson, the end of the season saved him, had that run been early season, like now, I'm not convinced he knew how to stop it.

I totally respect those who stick with him, and people need to respect those who opinions that are not the same.

I have voted go, on the basis I cannot see where the next win will come from, but would be far happier if the results improve, and he stays, but no matter who the manager is, the cannot survive results like this long term.

[MC Prussian]

I totally understand people backing him Babs, but all those who are backing him must appricate why people are concerned.

I have sat on the fence, even with the mistakes he's made, and expect him to learn from them, but his stubborness with the formation when it clearly didn't work, I think hasn't helped the teams confidence or the build up of poor results.

I will say performances the last few games are encouraging, but still no points.

I honestly believe last time we had this sort of run under Pearson, the end of the season saved him, had that run been early season, like now, I'm not convinced he knew how to stop it.

I totally respect those who stick with him, and people need to respect those who opinions that are not the same.

I have voted go, on the basis I cannot see where the next win will come from, but would be far happier if the results improve, and he stays, but no matter who the manager is, the cannot survive results like this long term.

I don't think confidence is the issue here, it's a lack of composure at certain times during matches, coupled with lapses of concentration.

From what I've seen so far, we've found back to an attacking setup (especially at home) and really try and make things happen, creating chances in the process.

 

The Birch himself said yesterday that no matter what the result, players still show up at Belvoir Drive with a very good and professional attitude, willing to make amends for poor performances.

 

We're talking about our first season in the Premier League for ten years. There's no comparison to be made to other campaigns under Pearson. This is pretty much a novelty, and we're all basically starting from scratch.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Depends on how we play IMO. Show signs of real improvement and succumb to a sneaky late one is one thing. Being beaten easily is another. A win and it could all die down. Lets hope so. I'd love to see everything getting settled again and us playing good, confident football once more.

That would be good Col

Quietly confident @@sort of@@ Leicester win

Hate to say it again but bottom at Christmas / turn of year and he has to go

[Guest Col city fan]

That would be good Col

Quietly confident @@sort of@@ Leicester win

Hate to say it again but bottom at Christmas / turn of year and he has to go

Mate..all the sideshow needs to stop for now. All we want is a good, confident performance..a bit of quality and composure and the result may well come.

Three points Sunday and it all dies down for a bit.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Mate..all the sideshow needs to stop for now. All we want is a good, confident performance..a bit of quality and composure and the result may well come.

Three points Sunday and it all dies down for a bit.

Col all we all (well most of us ) really want is Leicester to play well and gather enough points to stay up this year - we can make improvements next season IMO

Desperately want Pearson to prove lots of people (including myself) wrong but I just can't see it

Really hope the Villa game is the start of the revival

[Babylon]

I totally understand people backing him Babs, but all those who are backing him must appricate why people are concerned.

Of course I can, I'm concerned as I'd imagine everyone who backs Pearson is. I've accepted he's made mistakes,  as he has before and as most managers do.

 

My long term critisism of him is that he can be slow in seeing something isn't working. It happened at the start of last year with the back 5, it happened at the end of the season before where he panicked and started changing players and formation every week and it's happened this year. But for any mistakes I think he's made, we've always improved, we've always finished the season in a better position than the one before.

 

It's nothing to do with sentiment that I'd like him to have more time. I just want to be as close to 100% as I can, that it's the right thing.  To be sure we aren't getting rid of the best manager in a decade on the back of one run of poor games. Stuff like "there is no excuse to be behind Burnley" I find a ridiculous critisism. We were behind them last year for quite some time and still went on to have one of our best ever seasons, same with QPR.

 

I also think what happened in the summer is a big factor, and without knowing what the owners gave him to spend in terms of wages and fees, or the types of contract we could offer it's hard to lay the blame at his door alone.  If the owners tied his hands behind his back then I don't think it's fair to be forcing him out.

 

I like to give managers time to build, that's been my way of thinking since day one of being a fan. Sometimes it becomes clear that they really aren't good enough, but at least I know with some degree of certainty.  Maybe you can look back and say you gave them too much time, but you only know that with hindsight.

[Guest Col city fan]

Of course I can, I'm concerned as I'd imagine everyone who backs Pearson is. I've accepted he's made mistakes, as he has before and as most managers do.

My long term critisism of him is that he can be slow in seeing something isn't working. It happened at the start of last year with the back 5, it happened at the end of the season before where he panicked and started changing players and formation every week and it's happened this year. But for any mistakes I think he's made, we've always improved, we've always finished the season in a better position than the one before.

It's nothing to do with sentiment that I'd like him to have more time. I just want to be as close to 100% as I can, that it's the right thing. To be sure we aren't getting rid of the best manager in a decade on the back of one run of poor games. Stuff like "there is no excuse to be behind Burnley" I find a ridiculous critisism. We were behind them last year for quite some time and still went on to have one of our best ever seasons, same with QPR.

I also think what happened in the summer is a big factor, and without knowing what the owners gave him to spend in terms of wages and fees, or the types of contract we could offer it's hard to lay the blame at his door alone. If the owners tied his hands behind his back then I don't think it's fair to be forcing him out.

I like to give managers time to build, that's been my way of thinking since day one of being a fan. Sometimes it becomes clear that they really aren't good enough, but at least I know with some degree of certainty. Maybe you can look back and say you gave them too much time, but you only know that with hindsight.

Great post that...

[Asha]

Depends on how we play IMO. Show signs of real improvement and succumb to a sneaky late one is one thing. Being beaten easily is another. A win and it could all die down. Lets hope so. I'd love to see everything getting settled again and us playing good, confident football once more.

 

 

Not at all, depends on performance, depends on other results.

 

Well I said if we get 'turned over' and my definition as such is to be beaten, comfortably. If Agbonlahor accidentally does something good and we get edged out then fair enough, it might not necessarily be Pearson's fault. But say we rock up to Villa Park and get beaten 3-0 then I don't see where you go from there.

 

The Villa game is critical because, after Sunday, I can't see where the next point is coming from, never mind an all-important victory.