Grewks Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 Pearson as good as O'God? Never laughed so much in all my life Seriously???? Wtf With over 9000 posts on an internet forum, it amazes me you still have problems reading correctly. Not once was there a reference to Pearson being 'as good' as O'Neill. I simply stated that, in my opinion, Pearson's Job has been a far more significant one upon the impact of the club. Therefore given the job he has done here, as well as at southampton and Hull, sacking him would be a disgrace. Pearson has the potential to stay here for a very long time, pulis would just be a stopgap appointment until another side came crawling for him.
inckley fox Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I simply stated that, in my opinion, Pearson's Job has been a far more significant one upon the impact of the club. Therefore given the job he has done here, as well as at southampton and Hull, sacking him would be a disgrace. Pearson has the potential to stay here for a very long time, pulis would just be a stopgap appointment until another side came crawling for him. Whether other managers could have replicate Pearson's achievements, given his amount of time on the job, is something we'll never know. A lot would have fancied their chances. But this is largely irrelevant because in 2009 and 2014 he achieved what he was expected, by most, to achieve and succeeded where Holloway and Sven failed. If we come straight back down, needless to say, there will be a valid question as to whether his lengthy second spell in charge has represented significant progress, but for now his achievements are what they are. And, over the course of five and a half total years in charge, to take a club from third tier favourites to bottom of the Premier League is still a decent achievement. No, nobody has achieved that for us before, albeit for no reason other than us never having been in the third tier before. But you're on shaky ground purely because what O'Neill did was so much more than what could have been expected. The promotion was expected, but the most successful four year period in our history wasn't. And he did it in little more than a year, inheriting an unsettled squad already on the slide, and which had been humiliatingly relegated a year before, and spending very little in the process. In the past 95 or whatever years that City has been around, they've been promoted, what, ten or eleven times? They've been in relegation scraps at the bottom end of the second tier at least five times, and on one occasion they slipped into the third tier and came back up. But there's precious little that stands out - a second place finish in the late 20s, four Cup Finals which we lost, a League Cup when it didn't matter, sporadic upper-table finishes under Gillies and nice top flight football under Bloomfield... Above all that comes the two League Cups and four years in the top half of a league which had become more elitist than ever before under O'Neill. To achieve that, in the context of our history, would be our greatest achievement regardless of whether the guy had had a shoestring budget and a second tier start to contend with. For me, his impact on this club as a manager remains unrivalled.
raiskis Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 The defence guarantees relegation. Pulis in. Pearson out.
stokie1985 Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 Alot of lcfc fans got on the stoke forum at the start of the season saying u would be above us we ain't doing well but u boys r really poor and nw u want the big man in to sort it he's got a rep for turning little clubs into big ones but think this is a bridge to far back in the championship next year where u belong ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Brooksy Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 Alot of lcfc fans got on the stoke forum at the start of the season saying u would be above us we ain't doing well but u boys r really poor and nw u want the big man in to sort it he's got a rep for turning little clubs into big ones but think this is a bridge to far back in the championship next year where u belong ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Relegation or not we'll still be the bigger club
Leicester_Numan Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 That's right. But remember that sometimes you can solve things by sacking the manager. Few would disagree that it was right to oust Sven in favour of Pearson. I thought and still think it was the right move, though it's not unthinkable that Sven would have won promotion had he been given a further two and a half years. And few would disagree with the sacking of Sousa, which saw us move off the bottom of the table and enjoy a brief promotion challenge in the second half of the season. Same could be said about sacking of Holloway, which pre-empted our return to the second tier under Pearson, or Levein, which saw Kelly move us out of the drop zone almost instantly, and to a mid-table finish. What about Taylor? Surely most fans would take the view that it would have been better for the club if he (and Hamilton, and Pleat, and even Adams) had been moved out just a little earlier. So if all of these sackings were right and justifiable, which sackings in the history of Leicester City do we need to 'learn' from? Rob Kelly? Martin Allen? I'd say we've got it right over my time as a fan, where sackings are concerned. Perhaps, at times, we should have pulled the trigger sooner. On this occasion, I don't think we should. And you're right to remind us that it was wise to keep Pearson last time around. But things need to improve and soon. If not, then it wouldn't be a bad thing to remember how well some of those previous sackings worked out for us. Could you imagine Sven being able to assemble a squad under FFP? We'd have racked up a debt like QPR's. As for Pleat, I've always felt the criticism was a bit unfair. You have to remember that our gates were at an all time low, 8000 on a regular basis and we had a chairman constantly selling our best players to balance the books and giving Pleat a tiny fraction of the money to replace them with. It was inevitable that the team would continue to deteriorate over time no matter who the manager was. Sacking him earlier would have made no difference. What needed to happen and did, was getting a new chairman with the brains to realise that you'll never get anywhere by selling your best players and he said as much in one of his first interviews. Happily, he appointed Brian Little and it kicked off the revival of the club.
Rusko187 Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I said right at the start of the season I want him in charge despite what happens and I'm going to stick with that. This man has built this club into the BEST possible position for a VERY long time (Yeah I know we're bottom), we are financially stable with an exciting group of young players with a development team which seems to be ripping up some impressive opposition. We get rid of him and bring in someone like Pulis and I can pretty guarantee you it will all go to s**t. Fair play to Pulis, hes never got a team relegated and he kept Palace up last season... but we are not Palace and we are not down and out yet, we are a win away from 17th which correct me if I'm wrong is a survival position. He did go on a madness run with the diamond but he got it wrong, since than he has realised the error of his ways and changed the system back! We get a win and we'll be back with a bang, January he will get in some players to improve the squad. I understand the frustrations of fans but this is the premiership, it is renowned for being the hardest league in the world. We have no god given right to be here and we will have to slog out results, I'm happy that I've not heard any booing but get behind your manager and your team. We will bounce back but it doesn't help with the fans calling for the guys head all the time. If we don't survive I do think we will bounce back, difference being with all the teams that went down before was because their infrastructure is not as good as ours. We will crack the prem, be it this year or another... our attendances and infrastructure will force that! It changes this Saturday at Villa, I can't make that game away but I hope everyone pulls in the right direction and backs our team. He gave us the championship title with records broken, now our manager needs us more than ever for our support... so let's give him the respect and credit deserved and give him this chance.
Asha Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I've always been a Pearson fan, but I think most people would have to agree that if we get turned over by Villa on Sunday, that would have to be it.
inckley fox Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 Could you imagine Sven being able to assemble a squad under FFP? We'd have racked up a debt like QPR's. As for Pleat, I've always felt the criticism was a bit unfair. You have to remember that our gates were at an all time low, 8000 on a regular basis and we had a chairman constantly selling our best players to balance the books and giving Pleat a tiny fraction of the money to replace them with. It was inevitable that the team would continue to deteriorate over time no matter who the manager was. Sacking him earlier would have made no difference. What needed to happen and did, was getting a new chairman with the brains to realise that you'll never get anywhere by selling your best players and he said as much in one of his first interviews. Happily, he appointed Brian Little and it kicked off the revival of the club. Yes, but Little still made a huge profit on his dealings in his first few seasons (selling Kitson, Kelly and Wright). George may have talked the talk but he didn't especially bother with the walk. What he was was good at picking a manager. Pleat inherited some useful players (Newell, Osman, McAllister, Mauchlen, Walsh) and, while his signings were hit-miss budget buys, he added the likes of Oldfield, James, Wright, Kelly, Mills, Russell, and presided over the youth system which delivered Kitson, Joachim and Muggleton. But his side were defensively woeful and he never settled his line-up. His selections were baffling - neglecting Kitson for two years, Mauchlen at right back, Marc North playing all over the place, Ramsey repeatedly dropped, persisting with Spearing and Hodge at all costs. That said, his failure looked all the more spectacular because of the success which followed it, but I still think it made sense to get rid of him.
lgfualol Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I kinda want him to stay anyway now he has upset fans with his comments.
CosbehFox Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 Same names wanting him out as 18 months ago. I don't see what Villa game changes if we lose. You nearing a part of a season where a new manager creates more problems - the busy Xmas period and January window. If you are using Pulis/Palace as an indicator that sacking a manager and still staying up is achievable, well then we should have sacked Pearson a month ago. Accept what we've got and get behind the team. But that's too much for some. Almost too selfish as they want to be vindicated with their opinion.
Guest Col city fan Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I've always been a Pearson fan, but I think most people would have to agree that if we get turned over by Villa on Sunday, that would have to be it. Depends on how we play IMO. Show signs of real improvement and succumb to a sneaky late one is one thing. Being beaten easily is another. A win and it could all die down. Lets hope so. I'd love to see everything getting settled again and us playing good, confident football once more.
Babylon Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I've always been a Pearson fan, but I think most people would have to agree that if we get turned over by Villa on Sunday, that would have to be it. Not at all, depends on performance, depends on other results. For how shit the points return has been over the last 9/10 games, those around us haven't exactly been flying themselves. A few points picked up and you're back in the mix again. I think we've performed better the last three games, we've made some silly errors that have cost us dear. It's far from clear cut, several neutral observers have said they think we are ok and will improve and currently I'm inclined to still agree with them.
Vossen Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 We lost or missed most of our transfer targets in the summer & ended up with same as players...That's not Pearson's fault...its some old fat fart...???? We all know who he is...
Mark_w Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I've always been a Pearson fan, but I think most people would have to agree that if we get turned over by Villa on Sunday, that would have to be it. I don't agree at all.
Fox92 Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I'm not sure if "that will be it" if we lose at Villa, but I do think it's a big game and a game we need to get something from. Even a point. I've always been a Pearson fan, I think that is reflected in the majority of my posts, but I have recently been questioning his tactics, selections and substitutions. It's frustration more than anything, we have the ability to be higher than bottom of the league, but we haven't helped ourselves losing teams like West Brom and Queens Park Rangers. I still have faith he will turn it around, my faith isn't as big as what it once was.
Babylon Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 Not at all, depends on performance, depends on other results. For how shit the points return has been over the last 9/10 games, those around us haven't exactly been flying themselves. A few points picked up and you're back in the mix again. I think we've performed better the last three games, we've made some silly errors that have cost us dear. It's far from clear cut, several neutral observers have said they think we are ok and will improve and currently I'm inclined to still agree with them. I should also add one of the major factors is what happened in the summer. If he was given a limited budget, a wage cap and contracts offered that most of his targets found unacceptable (relegation wage drops etc) then he had his hands tied to start with.
Guest MattP Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 If we keep going into every game with the attitude of 'if we lose this that's it for him' then it's going to be very difficult to have any expectation from the side, they can feel the fans and that amount of uncertainly isn't good for anyone. I'd like to see the owners come out and publicly back him, let the World know that whatever happens we're behind you and that's why we signed you on for three years in the summer. It would take a lot of pressure off and may even lead to a looser playing squad and better performances. I've been going to watch Leicester for 25 years and in that time I think I've seen us have three top quality managers, one of them is here now and to get rid of him would be an absolute abomination.
kingfox Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I don't agree at all. So we've been waiting for Premier League football for 10 bloody years, not one, not two, TEN! But fans wouldn't mind if we get relegated, as long as Pearson stays as manager; however there is no guarantee we will go straight back up. Bizarre.
inckley fox Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 So we've been waiting for Premier League football for 10 bloody years, not one, not two, TEN! But fans wouldn't mind if we get relegated, as long as Pearson stays as manager; however there is no guarantee we will go straight back up. Bizarre. I think they do mind, they just think we'd be better off if he stayed regardless. I'm not convinced that would be wise because I'm not convinced we would have progressed sufficiently over three and a half seasons. But we're talking hypothetically here. As it stands some people may disagree on the best way forward, some may be a little more demanding / ambitious, depending on how you look at it, than others - either way, I'm sure nobody is content to see us sink. The only opinion I can't stomach is 'I'd rather us go down with Pearson than stay up without him'. That seems like pure insanity to me.
Guest MattP Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I think they do mind, they just think we'd be better off if he stayed regardless. I'm not convinced that would be wise because I'm not convinced we would have progressed sufficiently over three and a half seasons. But we're talking hypothetically here. As it stands some people may disagree on the best way forward, some may be a little more demanding / ambitious, depending on how you look at it, than others - either way, I'm sure nobody is content to see us sink. The only opinion I can't stomach is 'I'd rather us go down with Pearson than stay up without him'. That seems like pure insanity to me. :xmasblink: :xmasblink: WTF On what basis?
Rocket-Ron Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I can't think of a good reason for him to stay. We won't stay up either way, if I'm leaning towards go it's because I'm pissed off at him for failing miserably. There's no excuse for being below Burnley, or even QPR. For that he hasn't really got a leg to stand on. I don't really care tbh, our season is in tatters. Were we not below these two teams this time last season??
kingfox Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I think they do mind, they just think we'd be better off if he stayed regardless. I'm not convinced that would be wise because I'm not convinced we would have progressed sufficiently over three and a half seasons. But we're talking hypothetically here. As it stands some people may disagree on the best way forward, some may be a little more demanding / ambitious, depending on how you look at it, than others - either way, I'm sure nobody is content to see us sink. The only opinion I can't stomach is 'I'd rather us go down with Pearson than stay up without him'. That seems like pure insanity to me. What annoys me as well, when you have fans on here & twitter banging about his managerial record. Being successful in the Championship, doesn't mean you will be successful in the Premier League.
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