simpmeister Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 It has nothing to do with sentiment. It's a fact based argument. We were behind QPR and Burnley this time last year and finished comfortably ahead of them both, could the same not happen again? People said before that he'd shown he wasn't good enough for the championship, then he rammed it down their throats. He's proven that he can turn things around, not always quickly but it does happen. He has been doubted time after time and so far always come out on top. What baffles me is that people are so quick to judge after such a small number of games that he won't be good enough. Had we acted on that rash opinion before there is a good chance we wouldn't be where we are and you'd still we waiting for promotion. He ultimately may not prove to be good enough, so be it if that's the case. But I refuse to press the panic button and get rid of someone who has proven himself to me time and time again. He'a a team builder, not a quick fixer. Yes there maybe certain aspects that are facts, which I alluded to in my post, but a lot of this does still come down to sentiment. Without scrolling through loads of different threads searching for quotes, I have seen a number of people post things along the lines of 'Pearson has delivered us 2 league titles and 2 play off semi-finals, so we must at least give him the season even if it means we get relegated'. Yes, we are all thrilled that he has been able to give us some great memories and a number of highs to look back on, but if he continues to show the level of naivety he has shown at this level so far, does mean we should keep him regardless? And I think its crazy that people would want to keep him even if results don't improves and ends with relegation at the end of the season. Obviously it's no guarantee that bringing in a new manager would mean definite survival, but surely a new face with fresh ideas would at least spark some sort of reaction from the players. Nigel has turned things around in the past, but can we really afford to keep waiting and waiting until he gets its right? We could be back in the championship by that point and theres millions of pounds at stake here. Everyone has their views on whether he should stay or go, but it seems to be the case on here that if you have any negative to say about Nigel it makes you some sort of inferior or less knowledgeable Leicester City fan.
Babylon Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Yes there maybe certain aspects that are facts, which I alluded to in my post, but a lot of this does still come down to sentiment. Without scrolling through loads of different threads searching for quotes, I have seen a number of people post things along the lines of 'Pearson has delivered us 2 league titles and 2 play off semi-finals, so we must at least give him the season even if it means we get relegated'. Yes, we are all thrilled that he has been able to give us some great memories and a number of highs to look back on, but if he continues to show the level of naivety he has shown at this level so far, does mean we should keep him regardless? And I think its crazy that people would want to keep him even if results don't improves and ends with relegation at the end of the season. Obviously it's no guarantee that bringing in a new manager would mean definite survival, but surely a new face with fresh ideas would at least spark some sort of reaction from the players. Nigel has turned things around in the past, but can we really afford to keep waiting and waiting until he gets its right? We could be back in the championship by that point and theres millions of pounds at stake here. Everyone has their views on whether he should stay or go, but it seems to be the case on here that if you have any negative to say about Nigel it makes you some sort of inferior or less knowledgeable Leicester City fan. There is no guarantee, so there is no surely about it. You could find a spark, or you could just carry on as you are with a new man in who will no doubt want to rip things up and do it all his way. We can afford to do whatever we want, the owner seem to be running the club in a very sensible manner, our future isn't at risk. I'm not really bothered about there being millions at risk either, that is for the owners to worry about and nobody else. That risk still exists no matter who is in charge anyway. I'm very happy to leave the decision with the owners, they have proved themselves fairly patient and understanding and they will do what's right for them personally and for hopefully for the club. They also have the full facts in front of them with regards budgets and contracts etc to make an informed decision, the fans do not.
Fox Ulike Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Yes there maybe certain aspects that are facts, which I alluded to in my post, but a lot of this does still come down to sentiment. Without scrolling through loads of different threads searching for quotes, I have seen a number of people post things along the lines of 'Pearson has delivered us 2 league titles and 2 play off semi-finals, so we must at least give him the season even if it means we get relegated'. Yes, we are all thrilled that he has been able to give us some great memories and a number of highs to look back on, but if he continues to show the level of naivety he has shown at this level so far, does mean we should keep him regardless? And I think its crazy that people would want to keep him even if results don't improves and ends with relegation at the end of the season. Obviously it's no guarantee that bringing in a new manager would mean definite survival, but surely a new face with fresh ideas would at least spark some sort of reaction from the players. Nigel has turned things around in the past, but can we really afford to keep waiting and waiting until he gets its right? We could be back in the championship by that point and theres millions of pounds at stake here. Everyone has their views on whether he should stay or go, but it seems to be the case on here that if you have any negative to say about Nigel it makes you some sort of inferior or less knowledgeable Leicester City fan. In terms of appearing less knowledgeable, I think that comes from the fact that most of the anti-Pearson posts on here tend to create their own version of the pro-Pearson case, which they then proceed to knock down. It's fairly easy to argue with people who are saying that we should keep Pearson simply because he won us League One and Championship titles. But no-one is arguing that. You create that argument yourself, and then put it in quotes as if to give it some credibility. You then just easily counter it and believe that you've thereby created a case for getting rid of Pearson. Also, no-one is saying that "we should keep him regardless" and no-one is saying we "should keep him even if results don't improve". No-one except you that is! If you want to create a credible case for sacking the manager, then you need to be able to present it without reference to the invented reasons for keeping him.
simpmeister Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 There is no guarantee, so there is no surely about it. You could find a spark, or you could just carry on as you are with a new man in who will no doubt want to rip things up and do it all his way. We can afford to do whatever we want, the owner seem to be running the club in a very sensible manner, our future isn't at risk. I'm not really bothered about there being millions at risk either, that is for the owners to worry about and nobody else. That risk still exists no matter who is in charge anyway. I'm very happy to leave the decision with the owners, they have proved themselves fairly patient and understanding and they will do what's right for them personally and for hopefully for the club. They also have the full facts in front of them with regards budgets and contracts etc to make an informed decision, the fans do not. Yes there's no guarantee but as in past cases when a manager comes in, some players will massively raise there game to try and impress the new gaffer and cement a place in the team and then other players wont step up. But if the current horrid run continues then I personally see it as a risk worth taking. I agree the owners have ran the club fantastically and have been a breathe of fresh air since day one, but this football club is ultimately a business venture for them and to think that they would be happy if we dropped back to the championship would be silly, as the premier league is what is going to make the club a lot more money, bring in more mainstream attention, raise the clubs profile etc. and those are 3 visions that the Thais have for the club.
simpmeister Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 In terms of appearing less knowledgeable, I think that comes from the fact that most of the anti-Pearson posts on here tend to create their own version of the pro-Pearson case, which they then proceed to knock down. It's fairly easy to argue with people who are saying that we should keep Pearson simply because he won us League One and Championship titles. But no-one is arguing that. You create that argument yourself, and then put it in quotes as if to give it some credibility. You then just easily counter it and believe that you've thereby created a case for getting rid of Pearson. Also, no-one is saying that "we should keep him regardless" and no-one is saying we "should keep him even if results don't improve". No-one except you that is! If you want to create a credible case for sacking the manager, then you need to be able to present it without reference to the invented reasons for keeping him. I'm not arguing with anyone, I'm just voicing my opinion which is what this forum is supposed to be for. If people are pro-Pearson then that's fair enough, it comes down to personal views. I have in fact seen posts where people are backing Pearson BECAUSE of what he has done for us in the past, which I just don't understand at all. When coming up to the premiership from the championship you simply have to adapt or perish. I'm still fairly optimistic that we can survive this season, but that optimism will no doubt dwindle if this bad spell continues. I have seen a number of posters saying that should keep Nigel regardless of whether we stay in the premiership or get relegated to the championship, all you need to do is look at some of the threads to see this.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Of course I can, I'm concerned as I'd imagine everyone who backs Pearson is. I've accepted he's made mistakes, as he has before and as most managers do. My long term critisism of him is that he can be slow in seeing something isn't working. It happened at the start of last year with the back 5, it happened at the end of the season before where he panicked and started changing players and formation every week and it's happened this year. But for any mistakes I think he's made, we've always improved, we've always finished the season in a better position than the one before. It's nothing to do with sentiment that I'd like him to have more time. I just want to be as close to 100% as I can, that it's the right thing. To be sure we aren't getting rid of the best manager in a decade on the back of one run of poor games. Stuff like "there is no excuse to be behind Burnley" I find a ridiculous critisism. We were behind them last year for quite some time and still went on to have one of our best ever seasons, same with QPR. I also think what happened in the summer is a big factor, and without knowing what the owners gave him to spend in terms of wages and fees, or the types of contract we could offer it's hard to lay the blame at his door alone. If the owners tied his hands behind his back then I don't think it's fair to be forcing him out. I like to give managers time to build, that's been my way of thinking since day one of being a fan. Sometimes it becomes clear that they really aren't good enough, but at least I know with some degree of certainty. Maybe you can look back and say you gave them too much time, but you only know that with hindsight. To be fair this is a very good knowledgable thoughtful post
Babylon Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Yes there's no guarantee but as in past cases when a manager comes in, some players will massively raise there game to try and impress the new gaffer and cement a place in the team and then other players wont step up. But if the current horrid run continues then I personally see it as a risk worth taking. I agree the owners have ran the club fantastically and have been a breathe of fresh air since day one, but this football club is ultimately a business venture for them and to think that they would be happy if we dropped back to the championship would be silly, as the premier league is what is going to make the club a lot more money, bring in more mainstream attention, raise the clubs profile etc. and those are 3 visions that the Thais have for the club. Completely agree it's a business, but one like no other really. I look at the lessons they will have had since they arrived and I don't think it's a clear cut case of they will be ruthless to retain premier league status. They have seen changing managers not work, throwing money at it not work, they have seen being patient, building a team with relatively little money work. So sometimes what seems the easy and obvious choice to solve a problem, can often not only fail to solve the problem, but create several others as well.
Fox Ulike Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 I'm not arguing with anyone, I'm just voicing my opinion which is what this forum is supposed to be for. If people are pro-Pearson then that's fair enough, it comes down to personal views. I have in fact seen posts where people are backing Pearson BECAUSE of what he has done for us in the past, which I just don't understand at all. When coming up to the premiership from the championship you simply have to adapt or perish. I'm still fairly optimistic that we can survive this season, but that optimism will no doubt dwindle if this bad spell continues. I have seen a number of posters saying that should keep Nigel regardless of whether we stay in the premiership or get relegated to the championship, all you need to do is look at some of the threads to see this. Well, I don’t want to labour the point, but you’re going to appear unknowedgeable if you can’t see that Pearson winning the Championship is an indication that he might be a good manager in the Premiership… given time. You don’t have to agree with it, but saying that it’s beyond your understanding will naturally bring your footballing knowledge into question. If you want to argue against posters who you claim want to keep Pearson because of the League One title five years ago, then you really need to find someone who actually is saying this.
Benji Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 I wish we could stop having these polls. This is the man that led us to instant promotion from League One. Get a grip people.
simpmeister Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Completely agree it's a business, but one like no other really. I look at the lessons they will have had since they arrived and I don't think it's a clear cut case of they will be ruthless to retain premier league status. They have seen changing managers not work, throwing money at it not work, they have seen being patient, building a team with relatively little money work. So sometimes what seems the easy and obvious choice to solve a problem, can often not only fail to solve the problem, but create several others as well. Time will tell how ruthless the owners are willing to be. Like you said, the owners have been very patient in the past and have seen there team rise to the premiership with very little money spent which is great, but that will only get you so far and that appears to be evident with us so far. Whether it was down to Nigel, the owners or Robinson, we didn't recruit sufficiently in the summer and unfortunately to be competitive in this division you have to spend money. At the end of the day, whether the owners stick with Pearson or relieve him of his duties, there will be risks with both but they just need to do whats right for the club.
Corky Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Pearson has turned around bad runs before. In 2010 we lost four in a row, then won the last five when we looked like falling out of the play-offs. Then in 2013 we had a terrible, much reverted back to run yet Pearson managed to sort us out enough to lose one in the last six and reach the play-offs. So he does have a history of coming out of bad runs and still achieving something.
AnotherShitSeason Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Is he even here though? http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/leicester-players-still-believe-in-existence-of-manager-2014120593552
simpmeister Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Well, I don’t want to labour the point, but you’re going to appear unknowedgeable if you can’t see that Pearson winning the Championship is an indication that he might be a good manager in the Premiership… given time. You don’t have to agree with it, but saying that it’s beyond your understanding will naturally bring your footballing knowledge into question. If you want to argue against posters who you claim want to keep Pearson because of the League One title five years ago, then you really need to find someone who actually is saying this. Yes of course he MIGHT be a good manager in the premiership, but surely even the biggest Pearson fans can see that he hasn't shown he's up to it based on these first 4 months in this league. Obviously the natural reply to that will be 'how can you say this when it's only been 4 months' but how long do the owners leave it? Like I've previously said, I would love to be able to say that nigel will turn it around, but I just can't see it. I consider myself to be knowledgeable when it comes to football but the point is the evidence is on the pitch right now, we haven't been up to at all and that's clear for everyone to see.
Guest Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Is he even here though? http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/leicester-players-still-believe-in-existence-of-manager-2014120593552 He is! I swear I saw him hang, draw and quarter one critic in the West Stand last week! That's what I heard on Twitter anyway and I'm reporting it as fact
Mark_w Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Is he even here though? http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/leicester-players-still-believe-in-existence-of-manager-2014120593552 It may be because I'm invested, but that is nowhere near as funny as the average Daily Mash article.
shade Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Yes of course he MIGHT be a good manager in the premiership, but surely even the biggest Pearson fans can see that he hasn't shown he's up to it based on these first 4 months in this league. Obviously the natural reply to that will be 'how can you say this when it's only been 4 months' but how long do the owners leave it? Like I've previously said, I would love to be able to say that nigel will turn it around, but I just can't see it. I consider myself to be knowledgeable when it comes to football but the point is the evidence is on the pitch right now, we haven't been up to at all and that's clear for everyone to see. danny, you'll get your chance don't worry, de laet was decent against liverpool though, just be patient.
Fox Ulike Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Yes of course he MIGHT be a good manager in the premiership, but surely even the biggest Pearson fans can see that he hasn't shown he's up to it based on these first 4 months in this league. Obviously the natural reply to that will be 'how can you say this when it's only been 4 months' but how long do the owners leave it? Like I've previously said, I would love to be able to say that nigel will turn it around, but I just can't see it. I consider myself to be knowledgeable when it comes to football but the point is the evidence is on the pitch right now, we haven't been up to at all and that's clear for everyone to see. You should of started with this. Yup, pretty much agree. I for one have been worried about Pearson's team selection and tactics for several weeks now. Starting with the Burnley game in fact and the reversion to 442. But the last performance against Liverpool shows that he's built a team capable of competing in the Premiership. I just think if he can stop trying to prove something and just play a more conventional line-up, with players in their best positions, that the results will start to come. As Babs have said, 'how long the owners leave it' will only become apparent with hindsight, which we won't have until it's too late! He'll be our manager on Sunday and so we should all get behind him.
RonnieTodger Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 - Won League One - Penalty shootout away from a play-off final with virtually the same League One squad - Leaves - Comes back to a steaming pile of shit left by Mr Eriksson. - One penalty away from a play-off final, having cleared up most of the mess. - Wins the league with 102pts, breaking several records. I think we owe to him to give him the season unless it's falling apart at the seams, and I don't think it is.
Vardinhio Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 NFP can get relegated this season and I'll still back him, he has more than earnt a bad season.
simpmeister Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 You should of started with this. Yup, pretty much agree. I for one have been worried about Pearson's team selection and tactics for several weeks now. Starting with the Burnley game in fact and the reversion to 442. But the last performance against Liverpool shows that he's built a team capable of competing in the Premiership. I just think if he can stop trying to prove something and just play a more conventional line-up, with players in their best positions, that the results will start to come. As Babs have said, 'how long the owners leave it' will only become apparent with hindsight, which we won't have until it's too late! He'll be our manager on Sunday and so we should all get behind him. Yep me and you both! The Selections and formations have been very odd to say the least. I thought the diamond was embarrassing for the games it was used in and was actually over the moon before the sunderland game when I saw that he had seen sense and reverted to the 442. The last few games have been more encouraging, but myself along with thousands of others have still walked out of the stadium frustrated that there has been no points return. A few signings a in a similar mold to Cambiasso would be greatly welcomed as I think he has been fantastic since joining. For his age, the energy he puts in is admirable and his touches and vision are still world class, which is part of the problem because a lot of the time the other lads on the pitch just don't read them! I agree, he will be in charge on Sunday so all we can do is get behind him and the lads and hope we can finally pick up some points.
simpmeister Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 danny, you'll get your chance don't worry, de laet was decent against liverpool though, just be patient. Kudos my friend
ScouseFox Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 now comfortable favourite in pretty much every bookie to be next out. needs a win on sunday.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 now comfortable favourite in pretty much every bookie to be next out. needs a win on sunday. Yeah i noticed that too. One bet i WONT be laying though.
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