foxinsocks Posted 9 December 2014 Share Posted 9 December 2014 Every couple of days I look in on this thread... So let's make it simple - we will ignore last year's performance ... and our hopes for this year. We will admit that the summer transfer business was inadequate (we can of course learn a valuable lesson from that). The key question is: who is best to take us forward? So right now, we have the squad we have... the lads support NP; the owners support NP; 75% of the forum supports NP... and we have to sort ourselves out to tund this around. Now even though NP drives me mad with his slow pace on what I regard as glaring issues (i.e. IMO: set piece marking, our set pieces, need for early diagonal balls to Ulloa; need to use Knocky as impact sub, tell kasper to come of his line and dominate (stand up - like de gea), get a psychologist to stop the back four errors ... etc etc)... I believe he is the best person to sort things out - there is no credible alternative. It would be easy if there was - but there isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 9 December 2014 Share Posted 9 December 2014 THIS. I dont really want to advocate NP being sacked but we need to seperate last years success from what looks like this season's disaster. This term Pearson's remit was to keep us up and it looks like it's not happening. IF we can find someone who can do a better job, then we should be getting the job done. I for one do not think that the club being relegated, with all that means for the club, considering financial fair play and it's consequences, is a 'shrug your shoulders' situation that we should just leave to see what happens. The powers that be need to be proactive with so much at stake. Two interesting aspects or let's say, assumptions: a) Who says it's this season's main aim to remain in the Premier League? This may well be an exercise in order to test the water, so a relegation scenario tolerated by the management/owners not completely off the radar b) Who says we can't reach 17th (or above)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 9 December 2014 Share Posted 9 December 2014 Two interesting aspects or let's say, assumptions: a) Who says it's this season's main aim to remain in the Premier League? This may well be an exercise in order to test the water, so a relegation scenario tolerated by the management/owners not completely off the radar b) Who says we can't reach 17th (or above)? a) Well if we've got promoted to test the water to give it another go sometime in the future, without regard to the financial rewards that will be forthcoming in staying up then, I would be more than amazed. Add to that the owners have spent £50 - £100 million to get this far! If you think all that's been achieved just you are deluded. B) it is possible we can finish 17th, all I'm saying is we should be looking at our best options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 9 December 2014 Share Posted 9 December 2014 a) Well if we've got promoted to test the water to give it another go sometime in the future, without regard to the financial rewards that will be forthcoming in staying up then, I would be more than amazed. Add to that the owners have spent £50 - £100 million to get this far! If you think all that's been achieved just you are deluded. B) it is possible we can finish 17th, all I'm saying is we should be looking at our best options I doubt most of that money has been invested in our squad or the infrastructure. The majority of it was used to wipe all that debt off the cards which had put a heavy burden on the club for roughly a decade and to pay extra staff or unwanted players out of contracts. This generous move merely acts as giving the club a clean slate and has little to do with the sportive success or development whatsoever. I would agree with you if we'd spent £50m to £100m on infrastructure or player acquisitions on top of that, but that's not the case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGBFitness Posted 9 December 2014 Share Posted 9 December 2014 We need to get rid of this Pearson bloke. We need a European manager with champions league experience, the type of manager that can qualify underdogs in a group with 2 of the biggest teams in champions league history. Anyone know much of this paulo sousa bloke? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 9 December 2014 Share Posted 9 December 2014 I doubt most of that money has been invested in our squad or the infrastructure. The majority of it was used to wipe all that debt off the cards which had put a heavy burden on the club for roughly a decade and to pay extra staff or unwanted players out of contracts. This generous move merely acts as giving the club a clean slate and has little to do with the sportive success or development whatsoever. I would agree with you if we'd spent £50m to £100m on infrastructure or player acquisitions on top of that, but that's not the case here. Whatever the numbers are, they have shelled out tens of millions of £'s. Staying up gets that back investment back, relegation costs them tens of millions in lost revenue. After Id replied to your original I thought I'd falling for a line and you were taking the piss, but you aren't! We've got promoted to test the water, and staying up is not the priority you say. Ffs I give up!! What a satchel of s**t you are talking, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 9 December 2014 Share Posted 9 December 2014 Whatever the numbers are, they have shelled out tens of millions of £'s. Staying up gets that back investment back, relegation costs them tens of millions in lost revenue. After Id replied to your original I thought I'd falling for a line and you were taking the piss, but you aren't! We've got promoted to test the water, and staying up is not the priority you say. Ffs I give up!! What a satchel of s**t you are talking, I said it could be a scenario. But keep on reading all kinds of things into my writing. This forum is all about opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 9 December 2014 Share Posted 9 December 2014 Two interesting aspects or let's say, assumptions: a) Who says it's this season's main aim to remain in the Premier League? This may well be an exercise in order to test the water, so a relegation scenario tolerated by the management/owners not completely off the radar b) Who says we can't reach 17th (or above)? Seriously? Whether you think Pearson should go or not that has to be the daftest theory ever posted on the Leicester forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 9 December 2014 Share Posted 9 December 2014 Seriously? Whether you think Pearson should go or not that has to be the daftest theory ever posted on the Leicester forum. It's a reasonable point, though, that a relegation-scenario might have been 'tolerated', as he puts it. On the other hand, I can't agree with him that survival may not have been the 'main aim', because several of our signings fail to indicate that the only viable alternative - namely, squad-building - was our true priority. Realistically, what else could have been the 'main aim'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 9 December 2014 Share Posted 9 December 2014 It's a reasonable point, though, that a relegation-scenario might have been 'tolerated', as he puts it. On the other hand, I can't agree with him that survival may not have been the 'main aim', because several of our signings fail to indicate that the only viable alternative - namely, squad-building - was our true priority. Realistically, what else could have been the 'main aim'? Make Foxestalk cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 9 December 2014 Share Posted 9 December 2014 Seriously? Whether you think Pearson should go or not that has to be the daftest theory ever posted on the Leicester forum. Obviously survival was the main thing coming into the season but it's not unthinkable that behind the scenes we'd use this season as a yard stick and see how far we'd come. Prussian has phrased it awfully but there's a nugget of a point in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 9 December 2014 Share Posted 9 December 2014 Obviously survival was the main thing coming into the season but it's not unthinkable that behind the scenes we'd use this season as a yard stick and see how far we'd come. Prussian has phrased it awfully but there's a nugget of a point in there I agree I could've probably expanded on that scenario a bit more or been a bit more articulate. From my point of view, there's a distinct lack of panic in the camp, no panicky reactions coming from the board of directors, the owners or any other official representative of the club either. To rephrase that: We all have heard the story of Pearson putting faith in the players that contributed to our promotion last season. But he and everyone else at the club also knew that the squad didn't have (and still don't have) a lot of top-flight experience. Well, why the obvious lack of transfer movement in the summer? I mean, the money was there. Still is. But we're not spending it. One could come to the conclusion that whatever's holding this team back at the minute is coupled with something that many fans don't see or don't want to see. And I don't think it's simply down to an allegedly bad manager or bad players per se. The spirits in training are high day in, day out according to the Birch, so I wonder where this care-free attitude is coming from when, according to some fans, we or they ought to be more concerned. In the end - and this is just my theory - the owners and the management knew very well that this season could turn out to be a (minor) disaster with the inexperienced and rather youthful players at our disposal, so I'm convinced that in any case, even if we should get relegated again, a plan is in place in order to minimize the risk(s). Which, at this moment, means not spending beyond our means and being able to deal with any potential incoming financial constraints due to the consequences of FFP and relegation in a more appropriate fashion. Maybe, just maybe we're planning a lot more ahead than just this one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 10 December 2014 Share Posted 10 December 2014 I said it could be a scenario. But keep on reading all kinds of things into my writing. This forum is all about opinions. That is understood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Numan Posted 10 December 2014 Share Posted 10 December 2014 I disagree. There is no guarantee the owners would stay if we went down. One thing for sure is the squad would be ripped apart. It would be a rebuild on the field as an absolute minimum. This as we know can take years. Relegation WOULD be a disaster. There are lots of capable clubs in the championship. Not to mention the complete cloud of depression that would hang over the clubs supporters. Back to 22,000 at home, crappy teams etc. we have the premiership in our hands now, but at the moment we seem to want to play like a star struck championship side who is there for the crack. Our owners are running the club with a long term vision. Of course, they, like us, would prefer to stay in this division and build from here. Relegation only tends to be a disaster for clubs that panic, press the self destruct button, sack the manager and get rid of most of the players. That is short term management, it may or may not succeed immediately but ultimately leads nowhere. As long as our owners and fans keep calm heads no matter what happens this season and stick to the long term view, we will continue to build and improve. If it takes a bit of West Brom style yo-yoing before we finally stabilise and stay in this division, then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 10 December 2014 Share Posted 10 December 2014 I disagree. There is no guarantee the owners would stay if we went down. One thing for sure is the squad would be ripped apart. It would be a rebuild on the field as an absolute minimum. This as we know can take years. Relegation WOULD be a disaster. There are lots of capable clubs in the championship. Not to mention the complete cloud of depression that would hang over the clubs supporters. Back to 22,000 at home, crappy teams etc. we have the premiership in our hands now, but at the moment we seem to want to play like a star struck championship side who is there for the crack. Why would the owners leave and why would the squad be ripped apart? The owners stand to gain nothing by walking away upon relegation. If they have done what they said they were going to do and are now running the club on what it earns then the club could tick along without them having to spend any money at least until the end of the parachute payments. Even then they can't spend money anyway due to FFP, so we'd just have to cut costs accordingly. We'd still be one of the biggest teams in the division with one of the biggest budgets, with no pressure to overspend from fans. As for the squad, as it stands none of them are proving themselves good enough for the division anyway. So I'm not sure where you get the idea we'd be ripped apart. Financially they should all hopefully be on contracts that reduce upon relegation, so there shouldn't be any financial reasons to get rid. You might lose a few who are out of contract, you might lose one or two if they show some form, but the core of the team would in all likelihood remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveaway Posted 10 December 2014 Share Posted 10 December 2014 People say he will have money to spend in January surely he had money to spend during the summer and whats did we buy? Championship players. Hope I am wrong and some shrewd buys do come in. Is he trying to prove a point and say "look what I done without spending a vast amount of money"!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverdaz Posted 10 December 2014 Share Posted 10 December 2014 IF he has any money to spend maybe he didnt have as much as we thought he had to spend during the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 10 December 2014 Share Posted 10 December 2014 People say he will have money to spend in January surely he had money to spend during the summer and whats did we buy? Championship players. Hope I am wrong and some shrewd buys do come in. Is he trying to prove a point and say "look what I done without spending a vast amount of money"!! the summer business was a mistake - we know it, NP knows it and the owners know it. I expect we will bring in players with proven experience... to compliment our lack of it. WE have learnt a hard lesson... but the issue is who can take us forward?.... I haven't seen one credible proposal that would be better than NP -so there isn't another option.... so we should all get behind him with out fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunyip Posted 10 December 2014 Share Posted 10 December 2014 the summer business was a mistake - we know it, NP knows it and the owners know it. I expect we will bring in players with proven experience... to compliment our lack of it. WE have learnt a hard lesson... but the issue is who can take us forward?.... I haven't seen one credible proposal that would be better than NP -so there isn't another option.... so we should all get behind him with out fingers crossed. In the football world Pearson is a busted flush. Who the hell would come to a club at the bottom of the league with a manager who it's obvious to all hasn't a clue about Premiership football ? No agent in his right mind would tell his players to come to this club in it's present state. Come on I challenge anyone on here to come up with one good reason why any experienced top quality footballer would come to us in January ? It ain't going to happen end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 10 December 2014 Share Posted 10 December 2014 In the football world Pearson is a busted flush. Who the hell would come to a club at the bottom of the league with a manager who it's obvious to all hasn't a clue about Premiership football ? No agent in his right mind would tell his players to come to this club in it's present state. Come on I challenge anyone on here to come up with one good reason why any experienced top quality footballer would come to us in January ? It ain't going to happen end of. I suppose the reasons wouldn't be a million miles off those that brought Cambiasso to the club in August, and closer to still to those that brought Garry Parker to the club in the 94/95 season, or Kaamark here at the end of it. And there are other, less spectacular, examples from our own history - Dabizas, Robins for instance, all experienced top-level players who saw us to be an attractive enough proposition in spite of having inexperienced managers who'd done a questionable job at the highest level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunyip Posted 10 December 2014 Share Posted 10 December 2014 I suppose the reasons wouldn't be a million miles off those that brought Cambiasso to the club in August, and closer to still to those that brought Garry Parker to the club in the 94/95 season, or Kaamark here at the end of it. And there are other, less spectacular, examples from our own history - Dabizas, Robins for instance, all experienced top-level players who saw us to be an attractive enough proposition in spite of having inexperienced managers who'd done a questionable job at the highest level. Cambiasso is at the end of his career , he came here for a last pay check and to say he had played in the Prem. All of the others you mentioned were at the fag end of their careers also, except Kaamark who had not played in the English league before he came to us. Just wait and wait and wait in January and you will see the same pile of crap the likes of what he bought in the Summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 11 December 2014 Share Posted 11 December 2014 I'm not worried about who we can/can't attract. Players chase money. That's the sad reality of it. Fulham looked a certainty to go down and still bagged Olympiakos' main forward, who were still in the Champions League at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veezeeblue Posted 11 December 2014 Share Posted 11 December 2014 In the football world Pearson is a busted flush. Who the hell would come to a club at the bottom of the league with a manager who it's obvious to all hasn't a clue about Premiership football ? No agent in his right mind would tell his players to come to this club in it's present state. Come on I challenge anyone on here to come up with one good reason why any experienced top quality footballer would come to us in January ? It ain't going to happen end of. That has to be it this thread needs to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_baskin Posted 14 December 2014 Share Posted 14 December 2014 Thought this thread had been removed for a moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danizen Posted 17 December 2014 Share Posted 17 December 2014 http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9609026/F365-Says An argument for bringing Pulis in which I disagree with but the 14-point swing with Burnley can't be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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