inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Short-termism? One of our best summer signings was 34, our current first team side is the oldest we've had since Adams, 9 of his previous 15 signings have been aged over 28, and we've just brought in a loan player and our oldest ever footballer. How much more short-term can you get? And all of this depends on what your long term targets are. What are they? If they involve one day being established in the PL then the most short-term thing you could ever do, upon being relegated, is sticking with a guy who might get you promoted but clearly can't hack it at the highest level. So it makes sacking him the right thing to do whether your targets are short term (staying up) or long term (coming back up and staying up). Who, exactly, are the short-term thinkers here?
Ric Flair Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Time for him to go, he's lost his little bit of sparkle. No hard feelings, this isn't the toxic tenure of some of our managers but neither is this going to return a happy ending. I am utterly convinced that should we go down it won't be like last season as the championship is a strange and delicate division where it's momentum that gets you up and not supoosed quality or experience. We have lost our winning habit and the invicibility and I think if we risk giving Nigel the whole summer and part of next season it could put us back another season minimum. Fcuk him off and give it Glenn Hoddle until the summer. Then have a new gameplan if Hoddle doesn't fancy it. I'm still have a feeling Neil Lennon will be with us soon enough, not that i'm keen on that particularly but i'm definitely not happy to let this play out under Nigel any longer.
MHC Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 I cannot for the life of me understand what will be gained by getting rid of Pearson at this stage of the season. OK, I am a long-time Pearson fan, but I think that today's result makes it very difficult - although not impossible - for us to survive this season. But sure as sh*t, if we dump Pearson now, we are definitely doomed, and will probably end up somewhere down at the bottom of the Championship next season. If we go down, Pearson is the right person to bring us back up again. He's still the best manager we've had since O'Neill, and until we are mathematically certain to be relegated, I still think he can keep us up. I'll tell you what will be gained by getting rid of Pearson and that is a manager that isn't clueless and more points.
Manwell Pablo Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 ok same point he played behind the striker didnt link up play, didn't assist and missed a sitter, can you be my new boss you obviously have low performance based expectations Well he did link things up quite well he was one of our better players and we created easily enough chances to win the game and he was part of that. As I said, finishing aside. I think we are all aware he has no composure in this league. I do have low expectations, as he only has to be better than Ulloa.
The Doctor Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 a) I don't think people have been calling for Konchesky, or demanding that Albrighton and Kramaric be left on the bench, or calling for Drinkwater and King in the last game. Either way, he spent 9m in January and not a penny of it was among the ten out-field players today. b) Well, like, not Konchesky, King, Drinkwater, Vardy... c) Either he misspent 9m on trying to keep us up or got the line-up wrong today. His training of set pieces, one of those few measures we have of coaching, is awful. We conceded another goal from one today and actually looked dangerous for the first time in ages after Mahrez has spent 3 weeks being coached by someone else on how to take a free kick or corner. d) That old defence again. Like I said, managers take responsibility for results. He bought nearly all of the players, spent 30m assembling that squad over 3 years. If we blame players ahead of managers, even when the manager makes obviously weird decisions and repeatedly loses, then we can never blame a manager for anything, ever. a) Konchesky is our only senior left back, people would be picking him, if only because there are no other options really, Some may have wanted albrighton picked, others would have preferred Mahrez or Schlupp, likewise kramaric vs Nugent/Ulloa. Drinkwater and King were our only options - the options were play them, or play players ridiculously out of position - neither is particularly palatable, but give me two cms struggling a bit this season at CM over winger + right back at CM like the days of Holloway any day. b) Only one of whom started today, in a position where there were no other options... c) Why is the option play the most expensive player, or be wrong - could it not be that Nugent is integral to this system in that hole, and that he went with Ulloa over Kramaric since Ulloa has a point to prove against these, being an ex-Brighton lad? The system was pretty much fine today, we created plenty of chances and should have won. d) but Pearson isn't making weird decisions, he's making decisions most people would make (Vardy on the wing notwithstanding) - like playing players in position, even if it means playing the second string players rather than dismantling the team to have first team players out of position due to a minor injury/supsension crisis. Pearsons selections are not far off what people are wanting in pre-match threads.
cityfanlee23 Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 All of whom changed their manager, often more than once. they all had managers spending a full off season with that club and expected to come straight back up and struggled. I'm talking about their championship season straight after relegation, NOT their premier league campaign, if we go down we'd have to shift atleast 5-7 players to get in with FFP. that would change our squad massively. For the better? it's a GAMBLE. so is throwing caution to the wind and changing manager now.
Tom17LCFC Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 His track record is at League 1 and Championship Level. I do know what you are saying, and up until today I had the same approach as you, but today was the straw for me. too far gone to save us i'm afraid. even simple things like his attitude, He's too arrogant and egotistical to change, for example his spat with McCarthur today, clearly no intent was made, Pearson lost the plot. and that says alot about the situation when he's losing the plot for no reason. Who knows whats going on in his head but it's clearly not working. I think people are reading too much into that spat. complete non-starter. If we were winning and that'd have happened it wouldn't have even been mentioned. I understand the frustration from everyone today, I was exactly the same as you at full-time, but in my view there's no viable alternatives that'd improve us in the long run.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Col City fan and his negative brigade of sheep are really starting to grate. Yes, we're going down, but NP is the man to stay in charge. And I hope he and the people in charge of transfers have learnt from mistakes bringing the wrong players n. Be proud and appreciate the team are giving 100% despite lacking quality, we are still trying to pass it and playing the right way. I'm so proud of how our team have got balls and never give up despite constant setbacks and appreciating that makes you a true fan. Not constant criticism. Absolute bollocks! You are an Ostrich with your head buried deep in the sand, and your eyes closed. Stop winging about people who criticise Pearson. They have every right in the world to complain, you blue blinkered twerp. You don't" have the balls" to accept just criticism. What constant setbacks do we have, that other teams don't? Time Pearson, for you have" the balls" to resign, and walk away with as much dignity as you have left. Today was the final straw, and inexcusable. "A new broom, sweeps clean", as the saying goes.
kingfox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 thats not the only worrying thing, the man comes across as massively arrogant, obviously still considers himself a tough guy - look no further than today's incident and the matt mills head-butt. The players who we hoped would be very good at this level are shadows of there former selves Vardy and Drinkwater confidence shot to bits, but just like his tactics he fails to change the players mindsets He is the only one who can change things, he is the one who should be giving out instructions. What pisses me off the most is that he seems to stick with his favourites, players who got us promoted when there necessarily not good enough for this level. We also don't play to our key players strengths, how is Cambiasso meant to dictate play when all we do for the last 20 mins is lump the ball up, play passes by him, they head it out, they counter. Same with Kramaric get the passes into him, get the crosses into the box but yet again all we did was lump it up. Kramaric showed some nice bits of play, but most of which were 30 yards away from the goal. Finally yet again today proved that Albrighton needs to start, comes on and delivers three-four excellent crosses, yes we didn't manage to get on the end of them, but at least they were delivered with purpose & a bit of venom.
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 ok same point he played behind the striker didnt link up play, didn't assist and missed a sitter, can you be my new boss you obviously have low performance based expectations difference between performance - Nuge has performed well and probably had most touches in opposition half of any of our players in recent games plus pass completion and results - 0 goals scored.
HankMarvin Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 It's not really is it. He's contributing, we actually look capable of playing football when he's on the pitch, unlike Ulloa has one more league goal than him since September despite playing further forward and consistently looks poor. If Kramaric is a no.10 than fair enough I know nothing about the bloke I just assumed based on his goal scoring rd he played further forward. No it really is a simple point, your just failing to grasp it - you cant say a striker (or just of the striker roll) played well apart from his dire finishing
jimmeh Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Pearson seemed to think that a good squad ethic and good group of players would keep us up.
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 how will we know? haha fantastic another manager who might be good enough to get us back into the prem. you've sold it to me! it astounds me how many of you want pearson out. How will we know that Pearson isn't good enough, or how will we know that the new manager might be good enough? Any new manager might be good enough. It seems clear right now that Pearson isn't. And if we go down after a manager takes over with 17 points from 24 games, then generally speaking, people will point towards the points total Pearson accumulated as the overbearing reason for our relegation. Unless you see signs that Pearson is top flight management material, as opposed to a laughing stock who misspends money left, right and centre, fields players who plenty of other PL sides knew weren't good enough years ago, picks fights with opposition players, teams and his own fans, and is currently rock bottom, in which case, yeah, it is silly to want Pearson out. But all of the above is kind of, well, entirely true. Even if it astounds you.
hackneyfox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 how will we know? haha fantastic another manager who might be good enough to get us back into the prem. you've sold it to me! it astounds me how many of you want pearson out. It astounds that anyone still wants to keep him.
The Doctor Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 No it really is a simple point, your just failing to grasp it - you cant say a striker (or just of the striker roll) played well apart from his dire finishing but Nugents role isn't to be a goal scorer, it's to link Midfield and the forwards, and he did it well again today, we looked cohesive going forward and created a load of good chances - yes he missed one he really should have been scoring, but you need to judge players based on their roles, Nugents role is to link the forward play, and we created a lot today...
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Absolute bollocks! Y go on explain, do you support the team more than me because you complain more? Real fan you are
Tom17LCFC Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 I'll tell you what will be gained by getting rid of Pearson and that is a manager that isn't clueless and more points. ok cool I guess we'll just take your word for it.
Manwell Pablo Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 No it really is a simple point, your just failing to grasp it - you cant say a striker (or just of the striker roll) played well apart from his dire finishing Even though he played well apart from his dire finishing. I think I can.
HankMarvin Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Well he did link things up quite well he was one of our better players and we created easily enough chances to win the game and he was part of that. As I said, finishing aside. I think we are all aware he has no composure in this league. I do have low expectations, as he only has to be better than Ulloa. We didnt score it led to nothing, he missed a sitter. If your content with that as opposed to a 9.5 miillion pound new striker then should apply for with a job with Nigel
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 All of whom changed their manager, often more than once. Well, statistically speaking, you're more likely to stay up if you change your manager when you're in the bottom 3 before December, than if you don't. February is a different matter, clearly, but how many sides go down with their manager and bounce back? Very, very few.
cityfanlee23 Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 where have i said that? If we stay up he'll have proved all of you wrong although i'm sure some of you will still find fault. IF we go down, who's better than pearson to get us back up and have another crack at establishing us in the prem? **** knows what some of you lot were expecting at the start of the season. To not win for almost 3 months and have spent our margin for error by the end of January, leaving us with an almost impossible run of games to come in the following 2 months, losing games when results are in our favor, and bar a small bit of form in December, looking terribly poor for the vast majority of the season... Terrible management decisions consistently throughout, playing players out of position when we have players with premiership experience there already. and with all that aside, sitting bottom of the table having spent around 20m+ with the teams we beat to the league last season sat above us. Average survival is on course for 30-35 points this season, Imagine if it was the 40 point average of previous seasons.. If the previous seasons had gone on the average we would be very much adrift of the rest so far... Having said that, we aren't which is very fortunate for us that other results have gone our way. the conclusion is that, things have completely gone our way this season in terms of other results, Yet we are still bottom having spent, and don't look like we are likely to be picking up many points for the next 6 weeks. We didn't expect it to be easy, but we didn't expect that...
Ric Flair Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Pearson has an army of apologists and I feel for you lot, I really do.
LanguedocFox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 I'll tell you what will be gained by getting rid of Pearson and that is a manager that isn't clueless and more points. Which manager were you thinking of? Warnock? Pearce?
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 go on explain, do you support the team more than me because you complain more? Real fan you are Whether you like him or not, he's calling for what he thinks is best for the team. And it makes a lot more sense than what you're calling for. So yeah, he probably is a better supporter than you are right now!
HankMarvin Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 but Nugents role isn't to be a goal scorer, it's to link Midfield and the forwards, and he did it well again today, we looked cohesive going forward and created a load of good chances - yes he missed one he really should have been scoring, but you need to judge players based on their roles, Nugents role is to link the forward play, and we created a lot today... How do you know that "one of Europes hottest attacking proprieties" wouldnt have done better which was the original point
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