Arriba Los Zorros Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Never stopped Tottenham ditching Redknapp, Reading getting rid of McDermott, Southampton sacking Adkins or QPR getting shot of Warnock...the list goes on....were not interested anymore in the PAST were talking about the here and now. For the record I would have sacked him back in November and you can never be certain about these things but I think we would have had more points at this moment in time with Pulis in charge I don't use this forum regularly but know you have called for him to be sacked for a while. Fair enough to you, for that. However, we only are in the position to be upset about being bottom of the Prem thanks to Nigel's management, so I do think that the past is relevant
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 I'm a human, it's kind of how we work. So by your reasoning, Peter Taylor is better than Nigel Pearson because he kept us up for one year in the Premier League. Very rational. Let's ignore the circumstances. Let's ignore the fact that he took over with us at our lowest point, pulled us up to promotion contenders, saw Sousa and Sven undo half of his good work while blowing a lot of money, then cut costs to get us back into the Premier League and in comparison to the other sides in the division had limited resources this year. He's worse than Taylor because Taylor kept us up once with MON's team. He's worse than managers who took over mid-table top tier sides and remained mid-table top tier, rather than moving a club forward. Let's ignore the context entirely. Hold on a minute, we've had 31 managers and you said he's better than 95% of them. I'm pointing out that the figures, bearing in mind we've spent nearly half of our history in the top flight and Pearson is currently bottom of it in his first season, indicate that you're wrong. If you're going to give O'Neill credit for Taylor's 13th place finish, then surely you have to give other people credit for Pearson's League One Championship, no? Like, Levein for signing Fryatt, Holloway for Oakley and Howard, the Adams-era youth system for bringing along King and Gradel. This is what I mean by context. Taylor was a dreadful manager whose head I called for while plenty of fans were pointing to his side's wonderful form in late 2000, so I'm afraid you can't get me on that one. But you can't give Pearson all the credit for his successes in 2008-09 and then again in 2011 after inheriting one of the most expensive sides in the division (of which he retained, and still retains, several players over three years on). None of this, of course, addresses the crucial matter which is that Pearson isn't one of our best 5% of managers, and to say so is absurd. And there's precious little to suggest he'll ever achieve the established top flight status which many of our previous managers, not just one or two, enjoyed. None of them have had as much consistent success as Pearson in the division we'll be in next year. We will be a Championship club next year and we'll be a damn site better off with a manager who has a track record of keeping sides competing in the top 6, rather than trusting the people who previously appointed Paulo Sousa and Sven, managers who clearly weren't right for us at the time, to have another go. It took him 3 years last time, with a further year in his previous stay. For the first of those 3 years he didn't have FFP to contend with, and throughout he's had a relatively generous budget which many of our less successful, and some of our more successful managers haven't. But it amazes me that anyone can be so unambitious as to constantly talk up how good a manager will be for a Premier League club when he eventually gets them relegated to the Championship, even though he clearly won't be much good if he ever gets them back up.
Fox92 Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 You ungrateful ****. It's one thing deciding you don't think he's the best option to take us forward (which as I'm sure I've pointed out before - is stupid), it's another to irrationally hate the manager who won us League One and the Championship, gave us the 5-3 over United and some of the most enjoyable moments in the clubs history. This clown is a lot ****ing better than 95% of the managers we've had and you'd be wise to remember it because once he does go we're almost certainly going to revert to our usual form of appointing genuine clowns. Top post Mark.
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Edit: when I summarise the job Pearson has actually done I conclude that he has been average at best. Yes he helped us win League One but anything less would have been an underachievement. Not counting the half a season he had in charge following the Sven era he has had 3 full seasons at Championship level, 5th, 6th and 1st. I'd say our promotion was delayed as well so he has done okay at best. I witnessed the O'Neill era and I remember it fondly and Pearson couldn't shine O'Neills shoes if I'm being honest with you. All Pearson has done is achieved what was expected of him only this season he has underachieved which makes him average at best. He isn't even in our top 5 best ever managers. #ifisaysoitsafact
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 When have people decided that just because we've spent money on someone, they have to start? Transfer fees don't dictate who plays the game, he's been bought to give us more options and to add to our strikeforce. Who knows, maybe the management feel like he hasn't quite adapted to the PL yet, maybe they decided that he wasn't the best option against Palace. But Nugent was chosen instead, a man who hasn't been prolific this season (he's not a striker) but who many agree on this forum is a pivotal player when we're playing well, links up well and improve us. It's no coincidence that his start today (and vs Villa) created lots of chances, just infuriating that none of them were taken, the responsibility of which goes to Nugent as well as Ulloa, Cambiasso, etc. Essentially what I'm trying to say is Kramaric has no special right to start based on his price tag and I thought the team selection as a whole today was good and better than the United one by a long way - two proper wingers, perhaps our best CM combination, and two strikers who played together well for our success early in the season (how long ago that was!) Ulloa, however, didn't perform, he couldn't trap a bag of cement. I'd go Nugent and Kramaric vs Arsenal, unless we opt for 4-5-1 which would be understandable. Pearson to stay anyway, did all he could today, our finishing let him down, we might need to go down and come back up but Pearson has transformed us into a competitive club and the short-term nature of fans shouldn't hound him out. Our finishing has let him down on a lot of occasions. And the defending. Oh, and the midfield. He assembled this squad, he takes responsibility for their consistently bad results. This is what separates a good manager from a bad manager. His results, as fine as the margins might have been, have been repeatedly awful. And, if you're rock bottom and given nine million to spend on players, then spend it and leave the player(s) on the bench, you've either made a bad transfer move (if the aim of the transfer was to keep us up, which it should have been) or a bad team selection. It's as simple as that. That signing, much like the ones in the summer, should have been designed to ensure our survival. Much like Hamer, Albrighton, Upson, Lawrence and Powell, it's unclear what a player who's sitting on the bench can do to improve our prospects of staying up. Previously the assertion was that Pearson hadn't been given the money, but when he is, he doesn't use it to significantly improve his first team.
Fox92 Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Adams probably was better then Pearson and I witnessed it as an adult whereas you would have been about 8 so you can hardly say you knew much about football at that age. Are you forgetting the resources Pearson has had available to use? Adams had nothing and assembled a squad on a shoe string budget and his team actually had a go at staying up and very nearly did, Pearson's team are a bunch of miserable failures who have shown hardly any capabilities of staying in this league. And who finished 17th, about four or five points above us that season? Oh yeah, Everton. Managed by a certain David Moyes. Pearson is still learning at this level, just like Moyes was then, he's never managed in the top flight as a full time manager before, just like many managers who get promoted to the Premier League as a manager.
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Top post Mark. If it wasn't for your consistently excellent signature pics I'd be quite bemused that you thought a post which was so clearly, unarguably, straightforwardly inaccurate was 'top'.
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 And who finished 17th, about four or five points above us that season? Oh yeah, Everton. Managed by a certain David Moyes. Pearson is still learning at this level, just like Moyes was then, he's never managed in the top flight as a full time manager before, just like many managers who get promoted to the Premier League as a manager. Do you see any evidence of learning? Because I see the same errors being made again and again. Signings which don't improve the starting eleven and very questionable team selections. Oh, and rubbish results.
hackneyfox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Inkley You're wasting your breathe with Mark W. If NFP relegated us to the 4th he'd still want him to stop.
MC Prussian Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 I don't think he should be sacked, but maybe if he'd played our new 9 million pound signing who can shoot..... He picks the players, the buck stops with him. Our other players can shoot, too. It's hitting the inside of the net that is an issue, going through all parts of the squad (midfield and forwards in particular, of course). Just because we paid £9m for a striker doesn't mean he's a Terminator.
Mark_w Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Inkley You're wasting your breathe with Mark W. If NFP relegated us to the 4th he'd still want him to stop. I love these 'If NP relegated us several hundred times he'd still love him' posts. I wouldn't, but it won't get to that stage because he's a brilliant Championship manager with plenty of time to improve. But you're absolutely right, if his goal is just to change my mind on whether we should keep Pearson, he's wasting his time. As am I.
hackneyfox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 He's a bloody awful Premier manager and that's where I want my team to be and stay.
Manwell Pablo Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Nugent. Anyone, really. He's just spent about £10m on him, how can you excuse leaving him on the bench in such a vital game? But everyone wants Nugent and Ulloa to play? Again I'm not saying what your saying is wrong but some people are massively inconsistent with their arguments.
oohaahmustafa Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Take your toy back the carpet. TAKE IT BACK!
Monsell1976 Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Should be sacked for the poor season but won't be. The time has gone to sack him, no point now, and he will stay next season, as we won't be able to afford to sack him, and expensive contract, with ffp
Fox4ever76 Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Yeh there's no way we could possibly make up 4 points in the remaining 23 games. Jesus. No
MHC Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 And who finished 17th, about four or five points above us that season? Oh yeah, Everton. Managed by a certain David Moyes. Pearson is still learning at this level, just like Moyes was then, he's never managed in the top flight as a full time manager before, just like many managers who get promoted to the Premier League as a manager. I vaguely remember a statistic I saw in the newspaper at the end of the 03/04 season. It said something like if football matches lasted 80 minutes then Leicester would have got into the top 6 or something. Conceding late goals was our downfall that season, we have three or four downfalls this season.
Silverdaz Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 What a surprise soon as we lose again the forum goes into meltdown again im sure some people just want rid of NP because they don't like him
Fox92 Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 If it wasn't for your consistently excellent signature pics I'd be quite bemused that you thought a post which was so clearly, unarguably, straightforwardly inaccurate was 'top'. I haven't got no signature pics... Do you see any evidence of learning? Because I see the same errors being made again and again. Signings which don't improve the starting eleven and very questionable team selections. Oh, and rubbish results. Team selection was strange today, I admit that. I vaguely remember a statistic I saw in the newspaper at the end of the 03/04 season. It said something like if football matches lasted 80 minutes then Leicester would have got into the top 6 or something. Conceding late goals was our downfall that season, we have three or four downfalls this season. Oh yeah, I'm not disagreeing with that and I will always admire/respect Adams for the job he did here but I was pointing out about other managers, such as Moyes, who had time to adapt to the division. It's only like getting promoted in your job, I'm guessing you'd still have to learn and adapt to the role.
Manwell Pablo Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 I vaguely remember a statistic I saw in the newspaper at the end of the 03/04 season. It said something like if football matches lasted 80 minutes then Leicester would have got into the top 6 or something. Conceding late goals was our downfall that season, we have three or four downfalls this season. To say that is sort of glossing over the reasons why we conceded late goals of which there were an abundance. Although I think we got 33 points that season and I can't see us managing that this year.
jimmeh Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11397943/Leicester-City-0-Crystal-Palace-1-Joe-Ledley-strikes-to-pile-misery-on-Nigel-Pearson.html
jamesmilner Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2944027/Leicester-City-boss-Nigel-Pearson-appears-hands-throat-Crystal-Palace-midfielder-James-McArthur.html?ito=social-facebook
Arkie Bennett Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 I think Pearson has reached the point where he has taken us as far as he can. Fans have made allowances for the “fine margins” that have seen us lose matches we deserved not to lose. But there are no “fine margins” working the other way. It’s happening too often now to be a consideration any more. Even we can't be that unlucky. The players are doing their best, but they are sub-Premier League quality. They make too many errors which are small in isolation and sometimes cause no damage, but too often the small mistakes mount up to either give goals away or prevent us from scoring. If anything, these are the real “fine margins”. These things have been happening too often since the start of the season, and Pearson hasn’t been able to reduce them. He hasn’t been able to improve the team as a unit. The transfer window was Pearson’s chance to improve the team, but it is a nonsense to make a record signing and then leave him on the bench until the team is going gung-ho for an equaliser with 20 minutes left. It’s ironic that amid the chaos of going for all-out attack, there were three or four moves between Kramaric, Cambiasso and Mahrez in which their interplay clearly demonstrated the gulf in class between them and the rest of the team. After the successes he has brought to Leicester, Pearson deserves to be treated with respect. I don’t want to see his detractors (the venomous Stringer in particular) get satisfaction from seeing him subjected to a sustained hounding out campaign. But today’s failure is a new low. The time has come for him to move on.
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