old koppite Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 No, although thought some of Hamers kicking was rushed today .
cjslcfc Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Again, that's irrelevant. Just going by what I seem to be seeing/hearing in several places. You think, regardless of the wall doing its job or not, Hamer had the time to clamber across to save the shot?
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 He's still got plenty of time to get over and make a save it's just a poor effort. The wall does a terrible job but that's poor goal keeping, it's not even hit hard at the end of the day Erikson is 25 yards out on a angel. I know it's Christmas, but I didn't see any of them flying overhead..
Nod.E Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 The average football fan's view of goalkeeping still well up to scratch then. To those blaming the wall, it is worth noting that a GK worth his salt wouldn't have allowed his wall to have been positioned so poorly. Falls under the remit of 'commanding the box', which many on here seem to think Hamer is fantastic at.
ADK Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Tbh the wall in that situation are just there to stop the short ball, they aren't really there to block a shot. If nobody stands 10 yards away there's nothing to stop them passing it short then back to the taker and being through on goal. They have two players around it so we leave two players with them. It's a bread and butter save and I'd be quite confident of saving that and I haven't played since I was at school.
Swiss_tony Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 sorry to butt in on your dick measuring contest. The wall was to blame for the goal. Hamer set it up to cover the near post as you do, he covered the far post and then they jumped and split and the ball went through them. how is that the goalies fault?
Grewks Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 The average football fan's view of goalkeeping still well up to scratch then. To those blaming the wall, it is worth noting that a GK worth his salt wouldn't have allowed his wall to have been positioned so poorly. Falls under the remit of 'commanding the box', which many on here seem to think Hamer is fantastic at. you're right....I couldn't believe it when I heard Hamer shout..."Dave, run to the left and jump in the air like an idiot when he takes it...oh and riyad...turn your back and move to the right pal". You could perhaps blame him for not saving the shot...but for the positioning of the wall. HAHA.
Dan Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Had a horrible feeling he'd go and blow it at some point. Just as soon as we finally look like turning a corner in a game and of course someone else ****s up. Completely sick of this season.
ForzaFerrari Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 No matter who stands between sticks, we keep conceding stupid goals.
The Blue Moon Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 We shouldn't be conceding either of those types of goals. The first several players switched off, the second the wall didn't do its job which sadly means Hamer has to take a big portion of the blame. He's young enough to learn from errors and come back stronger, and he does deserve his chance. Look at how many errors Joe Hart makes, including yesterday. I think we've accepted relegation now, so I'd give Hamer Prem experience till the end of the season and all of next season in the Championship. By then it will be clear what level he can play at. The important thing is that disgrace Schmeichel never gets between the sticks for us again!
Katy Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 If you look, Nuge completely jumps out of the wall for their second goal yesterday and the ball goes through exactly where he was. Can't really blame Hamer for that one.
The Blue Moon Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 If you look, Nuge completely jumps out of the wall for their second goal yesterday and the ball goes through exactly where he was. Can't really blame Hamer for that one. The wall was poorly positioned in the first place, luv.
Katy Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 The wall was poorly positioned in the first place, luv. Don't 'luv' me sweetheart
peterthefox Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Never understood why people wanted Kasper dropped, get him back in please! Hamers kicking shocking and much much of a shot-stopper either No Kasper is poor and Hamer has not taken his chance, we need a keeper both are championship level sadly. Still prefer Hamer
Dickov22 Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 As if anyone can suggest Hamer is completely blameless for that goal! Wall is terrible granted, but he has plenty of time to get across to that ball. He then jumps over it. Rubbish wall and rubbish goalkeeping
Jimmy Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 The average football fan's view of goalkeeping still well up to scratch then. To those blaming the wall, it is worth noting that a GK worth his salt wouldn't have allowed his wall to have been positioned so poorly. Falls under the remit of 'commanding the box', which many on here seem to think Hamer is fantastic at. he set the wall up fine the fact Nugent literally ran away was the issue
chris_lcfc_85 Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 As if anyone can suggest Hamer is completely blameless for that goal! Wall is terrible granted, but he has plenty of time to get across to that ball. He then jumps over it. Rubbish wall and rubbish goalkeeping Completely agree with this. Wall was laughable but hamer should still save it for sure
Durnerz Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Hamer looked to be, like everyone else, expecting a floated ball into the area from that position, the wall didn't do its job in addition to great placement from Eriksen resulting in the goal, wasn't nearly as criminal as the first goal with Wes Morgan's reaction time, too much sherry this Christmas?
StanSP Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Saying he would have saved Carroll's goal is really clutching at straws. In almost 200 appearances he's only made one similar save at Leeds away last season. He would've committed too early with a clown star jump and left an easy finish. lol what a load of bull. Only one similar save? What about Burnley when Vokes was through? In fact, in most games last season he saved our arses. I think YOU'RE clutching at straws. The wall was poorly positioned in the first place, luv. Even more . Nugent clearly runs away expecting a cross just like Hamer did. Eriksen either spots this or scuffs his kick and it goes through a mile gap between he and Mahrez. I can see why Mahrez runs off because Lamela's 'decoy'. If Nugent stays where he is, perhaps he blocks it somewhat. The wall was fine when the free-kick hadn't been taken i.e. positioning was alright. When it's take, those in the wall don't do their job.
The Blue Moon Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 lol what a load of bull. Only one similar save? What about Burnley when Vokes was through? In fact, in most games last season he saved our arses. I think YOU'RE clutching at straws. Even more . Nugent clearly runs away expecting a cross just like Hamer did. Eriksen either spots this or scuffs his kick and it goes through a mile gap between he and Mahrez. I can see why Mahrez runs off because Lamela's 'decoy'. If Nugent stays where he is, perhaps he blocks it somewhat. The wall was fine when the free-kick hadn't been taken i.e. positioning was alright. When it's take, those in the wall don't do their job. Incorrect on both I'm afraid 0/2. Schmeichel has only made one save similar to the Carroll goal. To suggest he would have saved it is just a biased opinion, at least I used some evidence in my analysis (1 similar save in 200 against an inferior striker = unlikely he'd have saved). How many of the goals we conceded at QPR or home to Liverpool would Hamer had prevented? 3 minimum. The wall was poorly positioned. If the left footer had stepped up he could have found the same corner Eriksen did by curling round Mahrez regardless of what Nugent was doing. Not the worst free kick we've conceded in that goal this season though, and those 2 points Schmeichel cost us against Burnley started the plummet. That kicked off the bad run in the same way Essandoh did in 2001 (except this run is now worse than that one amazingly).
GingerrrFox Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Anyone who wants to blame Hamer for the free kick yesterday has to understand that it's nowhere near as bad as Kasper's howler for the free kick against Burnley. Yesterday in a position that a player would normally whip the ball in towards the back post, the wall split down the middle, the ball went straight through there and Hamer was beat scrambling across. Kasper was beat by a free kick that was dead central, in which everyone in the stadium knew Wallace was going to shoot and Kasper got his positioning all wrong. For me Hamer has looked better than Kasper this season. Both good keepers but Hamer has the more commanding presence in the box.
StanSP Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Incorrect on both I'm afraid 0/2. Schmeichel has only made one save similar to the Carroll goal. To suggest he would have saved it is just a biased opinion, at least I used some evidence in my analysis (1 similar save in 200 against an inferior striker = unlikely he'd have saved). How many of the goals we conceded at QPR or home to Liverpool would Hamer had prevented? 3 minimum. The wall was poorly positioned. If the left footer had stepped up he could have found the same corner Eriksen did by curling round Mahrez regardless of what Nugent was doing. Not the worst free kick we've conceded in that goal this season though, and those 2 points Schmeichel cost us against Burnley started the plummet. That kicked off the bad run in the same way Essandoh did in 2001 (except this run is now worse than that one amazingly). So I'm incorrect that he made a save by sprawling himself in that fashion vs Burnley? How'd you work that one out Einstein? It's a one-on-one situation like Carroll's and like the Leeds one, and he's made the save? Struggle to believe how you think I'm incorrect there. I think he did it vs Watford in one of the play-off games too at the KP. Well it's a totally different situation if a left-footer takes it so what you're saying is all a moot point anyway. At the end of the day, if Nugent stays where he is, he has a chance of blocking the right-footed free-kick (because that's what we're talking about, forget any hypothetical situation about a left-footer). As for the last point about the bad run - there's a whole culmination of factors which have led to it. We've had many, many chances and opportunities to get ourselves out of the bad run.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 The wall was poorly positioned in the first place, luv.You condescending tosser.The wall was fine in terms of positioning- Mahrez and Nugent utterly to blame as you can see from the TV replays.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Anyone who wants to blame Hamer for the free kick yesterday has to understand that it's nowhere near as bad as Kasper's howler for the free kick against Burnley. Yesterday in a position that a player would normally whip the ball in towards the back post, the wall split down the middle, the ball went straight through there and Hamer was beat scrambling across. Kasper was beat by a free kick that was dead central, in which everyone in the stadium knew Wallace was going to shoot and Kasper got his positioning all wrong. For me Hamer has looked better than Kasper this season. Both good keepers but Hamer has the more commanding presence in the box. THIS in its entirety.
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