StanSP Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 I don't think we played all that bad really. Plenty of endeavour - VARDY looked lively. SCHLUPP - Usual Powerful Display. KONCHESKY - Solid in the main. WASILEWSKI - Up for it as usual. KNOCKAERT - Tryer. HAMER - Hero. DRINKWATER - Passionate. KRAMERIC - looked good when he came on. Plenty of positives: just a shame that we didn't have a goal to celebrate for the fans who brave the weather and get their NUTS frozen off with no reward. KEEP THE FAITH! Regarding Hamer, how?
AspectFox Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 So presumably everyone who starts their careers in Croatia is a load of shit then, as that's where they used to play.No, not at all. That is clearly not what I was alluding to. I was touching on the fact that we have hedged our bets on a striker from an inferior standard of football in the hope that he is the answer to all our problems!
AspectFox Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 No offence, but if Rijeka and LCFC played 10 games, we would win 6, 7. Your team isn't balanced. It lacks quality in the middle of the pitch and your full backs are awful. Quite possibly but that speaks volumes about our poorly equipped team, not your standard of football!
Babylon Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 No, not at all. That is clearly not what I was alluding to. I was touching on the fact that we have hedged our bets on a striker from an inferior standard of football in the hope that he is the answer to all our problems! But that's not what you said, you said he was a league one standard striker. That's like saying Luka Modric was a league one standard player because he joined Spurs from Dinamo Zagreb.
tripe Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 Quite possibly but that speaks volumes about our poorly equipped team, not your standard of football! You should't judge us by our league but by the games played in Europe. It's the same with Kramaric. The games againt Lyon or Sevilla which are far stronger that LCFC are an example. The league is crap. There's no doubt there. Having said that. Many weaker leagues have produced some of the best players around.
foxfanazer Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 Is there not a minimum age required to sign up on here? The level of content on LCFC based posts is sometimes tragic!My thoughts exactly!
AspectFox Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 But that's not what you said, you said he was a league one standard striker. That's like saying Luka Modric was a league one standard player because he joined Spurs from Dinamo Zagreb. No Babylon, skewing things again? Was the team he came from Dinamo Zagreb? Was he playing in European competition when we signed him?
AspectFox Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 You should't judge us by our league but by the games played in Europe. It's the same with Kramaric. The games againt Lyon or Sevilla which are far stronger that LCFC are an example. The league is crap. There's no doubt there. Having said that. Many weaker leagues have produced some of the best players around. I hope the kid is as good as promised, we need him to be. I am not knocking him at all Had we signed a striker from Celtic, we would all be thoroughly underwhelmed. Whilst they are streets ahead of the rest in Scotland we all know that standard is not Premier league and it isn't hard to shine in Scotland. Gary Hooper is a fine example!
The Doctor Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 I'd argue that we are about where we deserve to be. I can only think of three or four games where, arguably, we deserved more. For the most part we've deserved what we got. Too often our work-rate and energy levels are way off what they should be. And, looking at today's line-up, I'd have to contest the idea that Pearson has improved on the side that we had last season. His big calls, this season, have too often back-fired. And, often enough, there's been no real need to make those calls. Like dropping Ulloa and Albrighton today. If we're talking about team selections, then a computer could probably have done a better job than Pearson at times. He's a talented manager. But HE has to get better. I can't help but feel that he hasn't given us our best possible chance of winning the game. I think today was an example of having Pearson as our manager actually being counter-productive. We'd have been better off with nobody. Of course, such things happen at all clubs. I appreciate that everybody gets it wrong sometimes. And I'm very much behind Pearson, too. But his handling of today's game was - not for the first time this season - way below what you'd expect of a competent top flight manager. However, take those games where we deserved more - man city, spurs and Liverpool away - on any other day we'd have won the spurs game, and but for the worst referee I've ever seen, we'd have won Liverpool, likewise we deserved a point from man city. Take the 7 points we should have got against the one point we did, and we'd be up in mid table. It's bloody tight in the bottom half, but we don't deserve to be bottom on our performances.
AspectFox Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 However, take those games where we deserved more - man city, spurs and Liverpool away - on any other day we'd have won the spurs game, and but for the worst referee I've ever seen, we'd have won Liverpool, likewise we deserved a point from man city. Take the 7 points we should have got against the one point we did, and we'd be up in mid table. It's bloody tight in the bottom half, but we don't deserve to be bottom on our performances.The points we should have got? Shouldn't we be at the top then based on that logic?
Babylon Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 1) No Babylon, skewing things again? Was the team he came from Dinamo Zagreb? 2) Was he playing in European competition when we signed him? 1) It's the same fecking league! They are second to them in the table. 2) A European competition like the Europa league? In which he scored a hat trick against Feyenoord and scored against Seville... and standard Liege and Lyon... I think Yes is the answer to that.
The Doctor Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 No Babylon, skewing things again? Was the team he came from Dinamo Zagreb? Was he playing in European competition when we signed him? You're a complete retard - he's not league one standard because he came from Croatia, that's like saying Modric was league one standard when spurs signed him because he came from Croatia. Kramaric has also shone at European cup level, and has a 1 in 2 strike rate at international level, he's not just a player who's scored a couple of goals in a poor league. Now crawl back into your hole you pillock. The points we should have got? Shouldn't we be at the top then based on that logic? No. We shouldn't have won every game, but the points we've deserved from our performances so far this season would not have seen us bottom.
MC Prussian Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 The points we should have got? Shouldn't we be at the top then based on that logic? Err... no. Just a bit further up the table, somewhere in the lower middle half.
ceebeefox Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 Foxfanazer did you really think Stoke were poor? I thought they were very professional in what they did, we barely had a kick in the 2nd half, they also had the 2 standout players in Bojan & Nzonzi Totally agree, right from the kick off Stoke passed it round us,kept us at arms length (new buzzword managed the game) and the worst they were going to get and the best we were was a 0-0 is how I saw it.One bit of Magic for the goal and that was that. I saw enough in Kamaric to suggest that were we able to manage a game like that he too could wriggle round a challenge and find the bottom corner.
AspectFox Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 1) It's the same fecking league! They are second to them in the table. 2) A European competition like the Europa league? In which he scored a hat trick against Feyenoord and scored against Seville... and standard Liege and Lyon... I think Yes is the answer to that. Celtic are in the Champions League most seasons,. Doesn't mean they are any good ! Didn't Fulham come within 2 goals of winning that a few years back? Not a hugely glowing endorsement of the standard of football needed to participate. I want this kid to score 3 every week for the rest of his life but his record is now up against a better standard of football, week in, week out. Let's hope it holds up!
st albans fox Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 We can afford to lose to stoke. Fortunately for us, the other results went for us. we should have seen this as a home game 'free hit' and really gone for it. I didn't have the opportunity to study stoke and therefore was not aware how well they would control the game, unless we really took the game to them. physically we were in a different world. We needed to fill the midfield so we could work the ball wide and try and get behind them. no point trying to play up to the forwards as they had no chance against bigger defenders and stoke dropped deep to avoid the ball over the top catching them out. (Predictably). So one up top was the way yesterday and we needed a midfield three. But who would be number three? Is there no one in the development squad capable? Surely somewhere in our 25, we could have found someone to play a holding midfield role, recycling the ball to dd and AK. clearly having three players out who could play that role won't happen again. Whether NP would have gone that route is the question anyway. I doubt he would. That's my issue with him.
Babylon Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 Celtic are in the Champions League most seasons,. Doesn't mean they are any good ! Didn't Fulham come within 2 goals of winning that a few years back? Not a hugely glowing endorsement of the standard of football needed to participate. I want this kid to score 3 every week for the rest of his life but his record is now up against a better standard of football, week in, week out. Let's hope it holds up! And it doesn't mean any player playing for them is "league one standard" either.
foxinsox Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 What was critical yesterday was getting at least a point and putting in a good performance. No point in saying that we need to sign a prem experienced X or Y without giving them a reason to come. It would have been a different game if we had Bojan and they had a Drinkwater (returning from injury). But why would a Bojan sign for us rather than another prem team? In terms of signings we need a deadball specialist and someone who can win headers (when was the last time we scored from a corner or freekick?). Can we have Izzet and Scowcroft/Elliott back? It was a great combination last time in the prem! The next month has tough fixtures and unless the other teams continue to play poorly (fairly possible) having a good post Easter run is going to be no good.
maxwelld_ Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 Said it for many months now our centre mids are lacking skill. We need some one creative to feed our strikers . We looked poor yesterday but as per normal with leicester we now have games agaisnt bigger teams so dont right is off yet .
AspectFox Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 And it doesn't mean any player playing for them is "league one standard" either.No it doesn't, there are gems. Mahrez is a fine example. Let's just hope Kramaric follows the trend!
CosbehFox Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 I hope the kid is as good as promised, we need him to be. I am not knocking him at all Had we signed a striker from Celtic, we would all be thoroughly underwhelmed. Whilst they are streets ahead of the rest in Scotland we all know that standard is not Premier league and it isn't hard to shine in Scotland. Gary Hooper is a fine example! His goal scoring record is akin to Henrik Larsson's in Scotland. If we signed him they would be the same fanfare.
AspectFox Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 His goal scoring record is akin to Henrik Larsson's in Scotland. If we signed him they would be the same fanfare.Yes I get what you are trying to say but I was always cynical about why he never fancied a move away from Scotland. Had we signed him today, I would still say let's wait and see. The same as I'm saying about Kramaric now.
reynard Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 You're a complete retard - he's not league one standard because he came from Croatia, that's like saying Modric was league one standard when spurs signed him because he came from Croatia. Kramaric has also shone at European cup level, and has a 1 in 2 strike rate at international level, he's not just a player who's scored a couple of goals in a poor league. Now crawl back into your hole you pillock. No. We shouldn't have won every game, but the points we've deserved from our performances so far this season would not have seen us bottom. Unfortunately you don't get points for trying hard and playing quite well. You get points from scoring goals and winning games both of which we have failed to do.Sadly the table does not lie at this stage of the season. We are where we are because we are currently the worst side in the league.
reynard Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 Yesterday put into context just how far we have to go to be able to stay in this league. Let's not pretend that Stoke were world beaters but let's also admit they were far far better than us. I would take any one of their players that started over and above any of ours that started. Even without two of their best defenders we didn't really trouble them. For me a win yesterday was as close to essential as can be. The next few games are more than likely going to see us with very very few points. A win over Palace is essential and really 2 points from the other matches as well otherwise we could well be 9-10 points adrift after the next 5 league games which in my opinion will be too much to catch up. Yesterday really highlighted just how slow we are at this level. I'm not talking about running speed but the speed of thought and quickness of the football brain. No one emphasizes this more than Nugent. I'm not singling him out for blame but he is for me the perfect example of what I mean. He is not a bad footballer. He works hard he has some good touches and he's by no means a disaster but at this level he needs that 1 second too much to make a decision by which time he's closed down and it is too late. Others are worse. Vardy has the football brain of the championship player. His anticipation and awareness isn't sharp enough at this level and whereas in the lower leagues his real actual pace can make up for it now it can't. Virtually every time the ball was loose Stoke got to it first. Not just through physicality and speed but because they read the game better and their speed of thought is the right level for this league. King and Drinkwater were terrible. They just aren't good enough at this level and can't dictate the game. We give away possession too easily. Starting from the keeper who just kicked the ball into touch on more than one occasion. Amazingly we are still within touching distance but real quality is required.
filbertway Posted 18 January 2015 Posted 18 January 2015 Just saw the highlights, how did Was not get sent off?!
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