Parafox Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 The hypocrisy in here is ridiculous. I bet half of you have shouted worse from the stands. "Yeah but we aren't paid to be the manager of a Premier League football club". Well it's a good job clearly as you wouldn't last 5 minutes with what half of you are coming out with. Sorry... your a twat. But only for having made this comment.
Guesty Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 Haha says it all really. So it's acceptable to shout whatever you want at people doing their job. However it's not acceptable for Nigel to say what he wants to somebody else doing theirs. You have the idiot logic. If he wasn't also doing his job at the time you'd have a good point.
SecretPro Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 Haha says it all really. So it's acceptable to shout whatever you want at people doing their job. However it's not acceptable for Nigel to say what he wants to somebody else doing theirs. You have the idiot logic. Don't twist it for your own means. I'm glad supporting Pearson on and off the field is working out well for you (and the team).
Donut Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 The hypocrisy in here is ridiculous. I bet half of you have shouted worse from the stands. "Yeah but we aren't paid to be the manager of a Premier League football club". Well it's a good job clearly as you wouldn't last 5 minutes with what half of you are coming out with. So you think that people shouting abuse from the stand is a relevant comparison to a professional doing part of his job in a press conference? You just control your emotions dont you. I thought the whole positive of Nige was that he kept an even level, win or lose, never big highs or lows, or peaks of emotion. He should not be so easily wound up. Answer the question, job done.
GingerrrFox Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 I pay many hundreds of pounds to attend games. If I was being paid many thousands of pounds , then no, I wouldn't expect to behave in a manner that could bring my employer into disrepute. not sure what point you are trying to make. it's not like he's been caught just after the game. It's the press conference an hour after full time. He should be able to handle it. End of. It doesn't matter whether you are paid to be there or pay to be there. It's like earlier in the season when the fan was abusing Nigel for 90 minutes, but as soon as Nigel turned round to tell them to "**** off" it's suddenly the world's worst war crime. It's hypocrisy of the highest level.
SecretPro Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 If he wasn't also doing his job at the time you'd have a good point. This times 1000. Think ginger missed the point of my original post.
Robin JD Popley Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 It makes me mad that if we said anything like this we would find ourselves in a disciplinary and most probably be sacked with almost immediate effect. He does it and some people think it is acceptable. No matter how much someone riles you, if you are in a position of public facing roles (something I am in my business life and also as a Councillor) the last thing I would ever say is that to someone. You may possibly think to yourself, well they didn't make a good impression on me but you would never EVER say that in public. I really hope that Vichai, Aiyawatt and the rest of their family/King Power group see the papers and have another in house EGM to get rid of him. Enough is enough.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 Journo's ARE pricks, especially the one in question. Don't know where half of you lot got your psychology degrees from, maybe the same armchair you got your UEFA Pro Licenses?
GingerrrFox Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 If he wasn't also doing his job at the time you'd have a good point. Why does it matter if he's in a job? It's either acceptable to call somebody a **** or it's not. There's no middle ground. It's pure hypocrisy.
Donut Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 Haha says it all really. So it's acceptable to shout whatever you want at people doing their job. However it's not acceptable for Nigel to say what he wants to somebody else doing theirs. You have the idiot logic. At a technology exhibition, you have a new smart phone, smart watch etc to bring to market. a magazine journalist says to you "there has been some criticism of your product, it looks like it bends, and has some technological glitches". do you think an appropriate response would be to get offended, call the journalist a pr.ick, or give a calm, reasoned answer?
GingerrrFox Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 At a technology exhibition, you have a new smart phone, smart watch etc to bring to market. a magazine journalist says to you "there has been some criticism of your product, it looks like it bends, and has some technological glitches". do you think an appropriate response would be to get offended, call the journalist a pr.ick, or give a calm, reasoned answer? That's not my point. It's either acceptable to call somebody a **** or it's not. People can't turn around and say "Oh I can say what I want because I'm not currently in my working position". It's black or white.
adam Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 At a technology exhibition, you have a new smart phone, smart watch etc to bring to market. a magazine journalist says to you "there has been some criticism of your product, it looks like it bends, and has some technological glitches". do you think an appropriate response would be to get offended, call the journalist a pr.ick, or give a calm, reasoned answer? Nah, grab him by the throat and tell him to **** off and die. Problem solved.
inckley fox Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 Haha says it all really. So it's acceptable to shout whatever you want at people doing their job. However it's not acceptable for Nigel to say what he wants to somebody else doing theirs. You have the idiot logic. I'm a teacher. I have to put up all the time with people not being very nice about me while I'm doing my job. If I were to call one of them a '****'. drop an 'f' bomb, refuse to speak to their parents, throttle one of them, go on about how hard I was or yell 'f off and die' because one of them said something horrid, then I'd be fired in a moment. I might just about get away with one of the above if I was in a blisteringly good run of GCSE or A Level results, but probably not. The same requirements exist in every other profession which involves working with the public, you're expected to be able to cope with the abuse. Just like Pearson is expected to cope with it, and just like he may well get fired for failing to. I'm not saying it's fine to shout abuse from the stands, but his reaction was simply unprofessional. And he wasn't receiving abuse from that journalist today, was he? They were awkward, unpleasant, provocative questions, but it wasn't abuse. He is behaving like a man who has lost his composure and can no longer cope. Unfortunately his results also suggest he can't cope. Both seem to point to the same overbearing truth - that he can't deal with the pressures of management at this level.
Parafox Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 It doesn't matter whether you are paid to be there or pay to be there. It's like earlier in the season when the fan was abusing Nigel for 90 minutes, but as soon as Nigel turned round to tell them to "**** off" it's suddenly the world's worst war crime. It's hypocrisy of the highest level. Utter bolloc ks. If you were working in a public service industry and you told a customer to FOAD in public would you expect to recieve thanks or sanction? I think you're a year 10 student.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 Nige is isn't the first manager to tell a Journo to **** off (Redknapp) and won't be the last. Stop having a hissy fit about it boys.
Corky Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 Utter bolloc ks. If you were working in a public service industry and you told a customer to FOAD in public would you expect to recieve thanks or sanction? I think you're a year 10 student. And yet if he'd done the correct thing and reported the fan to a steward he'd have been accused of being sensitive and should take the criticism.
MC Prussian Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 I can shout whatever the **** I want from the stands, I've paid to be there. I'm not BEING PAID to be there. It is not my job. Idiot logic. And that, my friend, is where you got it very, very wrong. Paying for a match ticket doesn't come with the right to shout abuse at players or the manager. What you get is access to a football match at a football ground of your choice. Period. Applying the same logic in a slightly different scenario - if you were to aim derogatory terms at a fellow football fan at a match, then being either smacked in the face by said individual or getting carried away by security and/or the police, would you protest as vehemently against the treatment?
MC Prussian Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 Nige is isn't the first manager to tell a Journo to **** off (Redknapp) and won't be the last. Stop having a hissy fit about it boys. Some fans are just getting carried away tonight, getting the knives out in precautionary fashion. Pearson's comment about one journalist, coupled with our result and Burnley's win has a particular part of the fanbase in complete meltdown.
GingerrrFox Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 The same requirements exist in every other profession which involves working with the public, you're expected to be able to cope with the abuse. Just like Pearson is expected to cope with it, and just like he may well get fired for failing to. Utter bollocks. If you were working in a public service industry and you told a customer to FOAD in public would you expect to recieve thanks or sanction? I think you're a year 10 student. Since when has a Premier League football managers job role been defined as working with the public or working in a public service industry? The conduct of a teacher and a football manager are not similar in anyway shape or form. Comparing the conduct of a football manager with a public servant is completely ridiculous and is fundamentally wrong.
MC Prussian Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 I've lost my rag at work. Just not every week. Never strangled anyone or called them a **** or told them to **** off and die either though, I also don't get paid £1million+ to be shit at my job. Then you either have a pretty basic job or pretty lenient superiors. I can't recall Pearson ever strangling somebody - if you're referring to the McArthur "incident", I can only recommend watching the footage again, but closely this time. And I'm pretty sure Pearson doesn't go out there trying to be "shit at his job". Or else I'd like to see people like you making a better deal of it instead.
adam Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 https:// that is funny though , f**k off im a football manager
Parafox Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 Why does it matter if he's in a job? It's either acceptable to call somebody a **** or it's not. There's no middle ground. It's pure hypocrisy. Dear God. I'm a paramedic. I get thanked and abused on a daily basis at work. I'm paid a fraction of NP. At no level, when your dealing with the public, is it acceptable to be abusive to those you come into contact with. I don't understand your reasoning.
inckley fox Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 Since when has a Premier League football managers job role been defined as working with the public or working in a public service industry? The conduct of a teacher and a football manager are not similar in anyway shape or form. Comparing the conduct of a football manager with a public servant is completely ridiculous and is fundamentally wrong. Of course a football manager is required to deal with the public, and of course duties of care and standards of public behaviour are comparable regardless of the profession; but when the role is one which involves management and dignified public behaviour, then it's especially easy to compare it to other professions. And not only in public service and pay. What about private school teachers, then? Newspaper journalists and editors? Shop owners? Bankers? All of them have a duty to behave appropriately, all of them have to deal with the public at times even though they are privately employed, and all of them abide by a code of conduct in doing so, all of them get dragged through the mud when it's perceived that they are not meeting the required professional standards. A football manager is exactly the same, and football managers also get fired because of their professional conduct. This is why Pearson manages to make himself as many headlines as he does. But what worries me isn't the poor professional conduct - and it really is a silly argument to suggest that his behaviour has been as dignified as is the norm in football management - but rather the picture it seems to paint of a man who can't cope with the pressures of football at this level. If his results suggested otherwise, then it would be meaningless, but they're not, they paint exactly the same picture. That's why it's relevant.
Donut Posted 14 March 2015 Posted 14 March 2015 Ok, lets turn this around. Gingerfox, is it acceptable for the journalist to say: "Nigel, yes ive got a question for you, you p.rick. your players surrounding the referee today, care to expand......" Legitimate in your logic?
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