Pearson Out

[Dukes not bald]

Brilliant post

[ZeljkoKalac1]

But then you can argue the case, that if he gets us up next season, we are back to square 1 of having a manager who's not good enough?

Or do we just expect that he is 100% going to get us up, in that also becoming a competent manager at this level?

I'm not saying he won't but there are many variables.. Martin Jol as an example is wise enough to get us out of that division and good enough with the right contacts to potentially keep us up, Just a name picked out of the sky so don't quote me on it

Which I why I alluded in my first post to keeping him for next season and if we get up, bring in an experienced manager who is proven at that level

[SecretPro]

Which I why I alluded to keeping him for next season and if we get up, bring in an experienced manager who is proven at that level

 

That just wouldn't happen though. Who's going to sack the manager that just won you promotion? There would be the usual outrage, enough on here alone for me to feel suicidal.

[ImBlue]

Nothing wrong with that People know where they stand with him, ask stupid questions, or questions to try and provoke a manager to slate a fellow professional and he will roast you... I'd have done the same conduct or no conduct.

Did he need to slag off a fellow professional, or just diffuse it by saying his players thought it was a bad tackle and simple as that?

It's like he wants to be in the paper in the morning

[cityfanlee23]

Did he need to slag off a fellow professional, or just diffuse it by saying his players thought it was a bad tackle and simple as that?

It's like he wants to be in the paper in the morning

Listen to the question...

The reporter started off by claiming steve bruce said that Leicester players were trying to cave the referee into sending hull players off, He didn't do anything of the kind, The reporter was trying to get a reaction against steve bruce by claiming he said something the didn't.

[cityfanlee23]

Which I why I alluded in my first post to keeping him for next season and if we get up, bring in an experienced manager who is proven at that level

 

But then we go up and sack a manager who's just got us promoted.....

And then have to get a new manager who not only is proven at premiership level, but suits the style of the new players he's inherited?

[inckley fox]

The problem is that it's not the sort of behaviour common to professionals of his standing, not in any walk of life, and not in football either. Especially not for clubs in our position. It's what it tells us about his overall professionalism which is worrying; his behaviour is that of a man who can't cope at this level, and unfortunately his results suggest much the same. It's funny to see managers swear at journalists, yes, but the reason why the Guardian are reporting the story already (and many more will follow) is that this isn't how top quality football managers behave.

 

They also tend to secure a lot more points than Pearson has.

[Legend_in_blue]

It's not a pleasant watch at all.

 

Clearly he's a man feeling the pressure and he can't hack it.  He's lost it imo. 

 

 

Sunderland had a mare today but Poyet put his hands up and apologised for the performance.  When has Pearson done that?  The fans also gave them short shrift. 

 

 

We're the total opposite.  We're too nice and far too accommodating as fans.  Today was unacceptable and that post match interview was another embarrassment to add to a long list of bizarre behaviours on and off the pitch.

 

It's unprofessional conduct.

[SecretPro]

As for the latest Pearson rant, I have to agree with m4DD0gg.

 

So, from time to time we might all want to scream and shout and swear and rant, but for most normal working people, that isn't acceptable in a professional capacity. There are what we would call proper channels to express your disgruntlement.

 

Being the manager of a football club put's you in the media spotlight, being manager of the one rooted to the foot of the premier league more so. Anybody with any dignity, whether they wanted to bite his head of and shit down his neck or not, would have answered the question in a reasoned, responsible and professional way and if there was a retort to be made, might have been a bit clever about it, or just made a 'no comment' gesture.

 

Snapping infront of the awaiting media, swearing like an idiot, and trying to play the intiminating hard man role is not professional. It shows Pearsons lack of personal control, and it shows he is a man on the edge, and that probably shows that if thats all it takes for him to crack and make unhealthy decisions about his behaviour in front of the national press then it's probably not difficult to see how his attitude may have effected performances, subtitutions and decisions relating to his team.

[st albans fox]

 

Genuinely what other multi national business would allow their main vocal point to act in such a manner without reprimand.

 

I am 99% sure after what i have been told today that the moment we are mathematically relegated his big pay out contract is null and void.

If I were his agent, I'd be checking with an employment lawyer re what might constitute gross misconduct. I wonder if the club had the foresight to issue a warning letter after the previous two incidents. A third may be enough. I doubt they did. Could have saved themselves a few quid.

[cityfanlee23]

The problem is that it's not the sort of behaviour common to professionals of his standing, not in any walk of life, and not in football either. Especially not for clubs in our position. It's what it tells us about his overall professionalism which is worrying; his behaviour is that of a man who can't cope at this level, and unfortunately his results suggest much the same. It's funny to see managers swear at journalists, yes, but the reason why the Guardian are reporting the story already (and many more will follow) is that this isn't how top quality football managers behave.

 

They also tend to secure a lot more points than Pearson does.

 

 

Brian clough

Sir Alex

Mourinho

ancelotti to an extent

Redknapp

Wenger

Allardyce

Pardew

Makay

Mark Hughes

Paul Lambert

Roy keane 

 

 

there is a list of "Professionals" who are well respected in the game, all have had massive spats with reporters and been more unprofessional than nigel has been in the past.. 

Just an example, the world has gone pathetic,

Players roll around like they've lost a leg onto to sprint 100m the second they get up, Managers aren't allowed to chastise the refs because they have feelings (Yet their decisions can cost clubs hundreds of millions in prize money or even worse relegation) and reporters can ask questions as personal as they like or even twist other managers words to try and get a reaction, yet managers cant say anything back??

 

We are all human... Who cares if they have a camera in their face, Everybody has heard a bad word before, most have used them, think everyone needs to grow up a bit personally (not you) just the footballing world as a whole, it's going to pot.

[Trav Le Bleu]

A well written and thought out post, the only bit I can't agree with is

 

 

I also don't think the "relegated sides don't stick with their managers often so comparisons to Pearson staying are worthless" comments are really much help in this debate - the fact is that we don't really know either way, but it strikes me as fairly obvious that there is an overwhelmingly negative attitude on display every week at the moment, and I'm not confident that it can be turned around next season without significant change.

And so what if it can? Even if Pearson gets us up next season, we'll need more upheaval then, because surely Pearson has shown that he is not good enough to manage this side in the Premier League.

 

The "relegated sides don't stick with their managers often so comparisons to Pearson staying are worthless" comments are relevant. There's very little past form to go on regarding what happens in this situation.

 

People learn from their mistakes - for some it just takes longer. I don't believe that Pearson has turned into a bad manager who is irretrevable and will never come good again. Frankly I would never believe that of anyone who has shown past competence in their job. Some people just can't work out their mistakes when they are in the thick of it. Maybe stepping back into the Championship and starting again he "could" come good? This is not saying we should stick with Pearson no matter what, but I do believe that we should stick with him unless a better alternative becomes available. I guess the raft of awful managers who haven't stayed long over the previous 8 or so years before NP have made me adverse to sacking any manager who has at least proven some level of competence.

 

[AJSLCFC]

In all honesty I think after beating united at home Pearson lost the plot

[J.Lisemore]

They'll be very, very few Leicester fans that would disagree with that post.

 

Its turned into absolute lunacy this season in terms of tactics, formations and team selections.

 

This simply needs to end.

[cityfanlee23]

The problem is that it's not the sort of behaviour common to professionals of his standing, not in any walk of life, and not in football either. Especially not for clubs in our position. It's what it tells us about his overall professionalism which is worrying; his behaviour is that of a man who can't cope at this level, and unfortunately his results suggest much the same. It's funny to see managers swear at journalists, yes, but the reason why the Guardian are reporting the story already (and many more will follow) is that this isn't how top quality football managers behave.

 

They also tend to secure a lot more points than Pearson has.

 

Yes I can agree to the most part, It's professional to keep a lid on it, but we have to understand some people are just not as capable of that as others, Me personally, I could be the best manager on the planet, I'm still hot headed, and I'd have been fined plenty of times this season, If we were top of the league we'd all think he was the best on the planet and his amazing hard man attitude was brilliant... 

Martin O'Neill was very stern in his word.

 

But we aren't, we are bottom, and we are looking into his media capabilities far too much.. 

[inckley fox]

Brian clough

Sir Alex

Mourinho

ancelotti to an extent

Redknapp

Wenger

Allardyce

Pardew

Makay

Mark Hughes

Paul Lambert

Roy keane 

 

 

there is a list of "Professionals" who are well respected in the game, all have had massive spats with reporters and been more unprofessional than nigel has been in the past.. 

Just an example, the world has gone pathetic,

Players roll around like they've lost a leg onto to sprint 100m the second they get up, Managers aren't allowed to chastise the refs because they have feelings (Yet their decisions can cost clubs hundreds of millions in prize money or even worse relegation) and reporters can ask questions as personal as they like or even twist other managers words to try and get a reaction, yet managers cant say anything back??

 

We are all human... Who cares if they have a camera in their face, Everybody has heard a bad word before, most have used them, think everyone needs to grow up a bit personally (not you) just the footballing world as a whole, it's going to pot.

 

You haven't read my post properly - I said it isn't the norm, and especially not for under-achieving managers. Nine of those managers are a great deal more successful than Pearson and have tended to be doing exceptionally well in their jobs when they've 'misbehaved'. And none of those names have done anything this season on the same scale as the combination of Pearson yelling 'f*** off and die' at a section of his own fans and getting banned for it, cutting off contact with the local radio station, putting his hands round the throat of an opposition player and saying he can 'look after' himself, and using the words '****' and 'f***ing hell' on television, all in one year.

 

You might wish that this sort of behaviour was normal because it makes for a great deal more fun, but it's not. When successful managers flip it's a rare thing and it makes headlines. Pearson is making headlines because of how often he flips and, crucially, he's in nowhere near as good a position as, say, Ferguson was at United, to behave like that. Don't forget that behaviour like that at Leeds and Derby was supposedly a factor in Clough losing his job.

 

Finally, look at some of those last few names on your list. Mackay, a manager who blew his career thanks to a racist outburst, Keane who is virtually unemployable on account of his hot-headedness, Lambert who has proven an abject failure at the highest level. Are these really good 'favourable' comparisons to be making?

 

Your list consisted of people either far, far more successful than Pearson, or people you'd never want anywhere near your club. And you say that 'we're only human', but I work in a job - and most people on here work in jobs - where you can't behave like that, and we get paid a great deal less money for doing it. Maybe that behaviour should be deemed acceptable in football, but the reason why it's already making headlines tonight is that it's not the norm. You might get away with it if you're highly successful at the highest level, but Pearson isn't.

[Tuna]

Absolutely fantastic post, completely agree wholeheartedly.

 

I am profoundly disappointed with the season as a whole.

[Corky]

Are you joking? Brian Clough attacked his own supporters. That's a fairly high scale.

[inckley fox]

Yes I can agree to the most part, It's professional to keep a lid on it, but we have to understand some people are just not as capable of that as others, Me personally, I could be the best manager on the planet, I'm still hot headed, and I'd have been fined plenty of times this season, If we were top of the league we'd all think he was the best on the planet and his amazing hard man attitude was brilliant... 

Martin O'Neill was very stern in his word.

 

But we aren't, we are bottom, and we are looking into his media capabilities far too much.. 

 

You're right about O'Neill. But again he was highly successful with us. He got away with criticising our fans on a regular basis because he had earned the right, and was good enough to get away with it.

 

But yes, we're focusing on his media capabilities too much. But when he looks unable to cope with the attention he receives at this level, and looks incapable of managing a side effectively at this level, it does start to paint the picture of a man who, in almost every regard, can't cope at the top of the game.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Solid post ttfn, better than your usual chat about tits.

 

I have to say I'm leaning towards agreement that perhaps we are now better off with a different person at the helm; and I say that as someone who felt a genuine sadness when news broke of his "sacking" a few weeks back because of everything he's done for the club on and off the pitch after two horrible spells that preceded him in each instance.

 

I know we're unsure of the ins and outs of transfer dealings but I don't think the summer was well managed at all (obviously with hindsight), more so considering we must've been planning our off-season business around this time last year. I wasn't expecting anything absurd, just the usual Pearson window (a couple of experienced heads, a Walsh foreign gem, some capable talent on the cheap from the "bigger" clubs); but we didn't get that. He's normally so well organised and gets the majority of business done quickly and without fanfare. Last summer we overspent on Ulloa, bought in players who have offered little (Simpson, Powell, Albrighton) and failed to address glaring weaknesses in our side (left back, case in point). Loyalty is to be admired but there's a point where that becomes naivety and blind faith has been shown in players who simply aren't good enough at this level.

 

I love the guy but the amount of times we've played without urgency whatsoever in more than winnable home games is bordering on pornographic, and for me this stems from the management to a certain extent. WBA, Sunderland, Palace, Stoke, Hull - all games we've failed to score in, but changes are being made far too late on in games. It's beyond articulation how frustrating it is to watch. Often blame can be pointed at the players and their lack of quality / nous at times, but Pearson appears to want to be making a rod for his own back with some ridiculously negative and bizarre tactics and substitutions, today wasn't the first time we have offered absolutely nothing at home in front of a crowd who (personal opinion) have been brilliant at backing the side despite results.

 

As said I think Pearson is a brilliant man who has bought some integrity and pride back to our club after taking over from that media whore Holloway and Sven's ridiculous spending spree, but it feels as if the curtain is coming down on his second spell in charge. I'll always be thankful for what he has achieved with us (last season in particular) but a desire to tinker and to almost have us playing in a manner that is the antithesis of everything we stood for last term, particularly at home, has cost us so dearly this season.

 

It's who we get in that's the question - Warburton probably seems the obvious choice, perhaps Paul Clement as a left field choice? Either way it's a hideous shame that our best manager since O'Neill appears to be going out with a whimper and I can't wait for this abortion of a season to end.

[inckley fox]

Are you joking? Brian Clough attacked his own supporters. That's a fairly high scale.

 

He got fired from two jobs as a consequence, supposedly, of his confrontational nature.

 

He was also one of the most successful managers in history.

 

I'm not sure he's a very valid name to compare with Pearson. But, and I stand by this, when he was getting into trouble on a consistent basis he was also getting results on a consistent basis. And for most of his career he stopped short of foul language on TV, throttling opposition players, crowing about how hard he was, refusing to speak to the local press etc. And he apologised to the fan he slapped, on TV, and gave him a kiss. Pearson refused to apologise to the fan he yelled at, and his abuse was both aimed at a whole section of fans, and came against a backdrop of lots of other behaviour which was flagged up, again and again, as totally inappropriate.

 

You know, I spend a lot of time working in Spain. I was at work there, in a school, last week and some of the lads were laughing at me for being a Leicester fan. They informed me that our manager was a total idiot. An old mate of mine, a Spurs fan, came over recently to meet me. He's been living overseas for years and was saying what a shame it was that our manager seems to have completely lost the plot. It's the first thing people seem to know about Leicester City, that our manager is an utter lunatic.

 

Does the sort of behaviour we've seen today do anything to help that impression?

[st albans fox]

To those of you who still live in leicester, the last post is really true. That's what people say when they hear I'm a leicester fan.

[cjslcfc]

Phenomenal post. An argument so eloquently put that I found it hard to disagree with most of it. Today was the final straw for me. In one of the most important games of this season the players lacked energy, quality and, seemingly, any semblance of direction. That was the most disappointing thing. The players seemed afraid to really push forward (apart from Vardy whose one man mission was always going to fail without the right support). When opportunities opened up to make a driving pass or run, most of them shied away from that and chose to try and retain possession or even walk the ball into the net. Don't get me wrong, I thought Hull defended well. However, we made life so easy for them with cautious, unambitious play. As ttfn says, that's not the same Leicester City that Pearson has built up during the majority of this tenure. The energy, the pressing, the purpose of our play has all gone and it doesn't look like coming back anytime soon. 

 

And for that reason I'm sorry Nige but I'm out.

 

Time for a change. It's got to the point where I just can't see you resurrecting the belief and spirit within the players that we need to progress as a club. I've defended you until now but it's a long road back from the sorts of performances we are putting in. 

[5waller5]

It's a good post .... And describes very well what happened ..... But some of us could see what was happening when it happened and wanted change then ....

 

But you had nothing but negativity towards those people .... Now you see it as they have seen it for 6 months what do you think of the people that have wanted NP out since November????

[Torten]

About time we had a thread like this