purpleronnie Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Frightening stuff, I would imagine most people's fear of flying was due to some mechanical failure happening, now the plane can be in perfect working order but a member of the crew might suicidal. Scarey.
GaelicFox Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Airline safety is quite reactionary , I'd expect this to be a game changer some how , they cannot do nothing because if they do nothing confidence will ebb and that would mean lower passenger numbers and that means trouble economically for a fragile world economy The Malaysian Airliner was probablly something similar
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Had the old US laws been in place they would have been able to grab someones gun out the hand luggage and blow the down open. Would have made a great film as well. (I am not advocating guns on planes before some twat says so)
Babylon Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Airline safety is quite reactionary , I'd expect this to be a game changer some how , they cannot do nothing because if they do nothing confidence will ebb and that would mean lower passenger numbers and that means trouble economically for a fragile world economy The Malaysian Airliner was probablly something similar What have they done with regards tracking planes since the one that went missing? I'd wager very little. Too many planes, too much cost, too much down time... too many ££££.
purpleronnie Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Had the old US laws been in place they would have been able to grab someones gun out the hand luggage and blow the down open. Would have made a great film as well. Typical matt advocating guns.
ramboacdc Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 this is not adding up to me. im not a pilot (who knew eh?) but could he have pressed it by mistake at all or is it something where you have to do more than one thing? (like switching on a lawnmower)...**** me what a bad analogy that is!
StanSP Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 this is not adding up to me. im not a pilot (who knew eh?) but could he have pressed it by mistake at all or is it something where you have to do more than one thing? (like switching on a lawnmower)...**** me what a bad analogy that is! Pressed the keypad by mistake? Or some controls? I'd imagine there'd be some kind of code to press to disarm the keypad.
Babylon Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 this is not adding up to me. im not a pilot (who knew eh?) but could he have pressed it by mistake at all or is it something where you have to do more than one thing? (like switching on a lawnmower)...**** me what a bad analogy that is! Locking the door and then taking it off autopilot / altering autopilot settings would be one big coincidence if it was an accident.
ramboacdc Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Pressed the keypad by mistake? Or some controls? I'd imagine there'd be some kind of code to press to disarm the keypad. i mean the co pilot who engaged the decent. dont know if its like a couple of clicks and done or just 1 button. brain says its gonna be complex.
Finnegan Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Accidentally locked the pilot out, accidentally refused to let him back in, accidentally sent the plane in to a dive in to a mountain and accidentally refused any contact to an alarmed air traffic control? You're right, that adds up way more.
Jaspa Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 this is not adding up to me. im not a pilot (who knew eh?) but could he have pressed it by mistake at all or is it something where you have to do more than one thing? (like switching on a lawnmower)...**** me what a bad analogy that is! He was in the cockpit and the only noise he made was respiratory, so I assume he was conscious whilst the Pilot was having a go at the door yet he didnt blurt out some crazy schizo conspiracy/master plan and went down without a peep. Its odd, maybe more will come out from the black box transcripts
StanSP Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 i mean the co pilot who engaged the decent. dont know if its like a couple of clicks and done or just 1 button. brain says its gonna be complex. Bound to be more than just one thing and be conscious about doing it.
ramboacdc Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Accidentally locked the pilot out, accidentally refused to let him back in, accidentally sent the plane in to a dive in to a mountain and accidentally refused any contact to an alarmed air traffic control? You're right, that adds up way more. i didnt mean accidentally locked him out etc. what i mean is, sticking with the "hes had an accident" thing. maybe the pilot leaves. co pilot takes over. locks the door. suffers a seizure of some kind. hits the button that starts decent and loses consciousness. that would give reason for hearing breathing and loud bangs. if he wanted to kill himself and everyone on the plane, he is going to want to leave a note as to why or something. knowing the black box is recording he could have said something and not just been breathing. or if he was really clever, turned the black box's off!
Sir Fynwy Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Had the old US laws been in place they would have been able to grab someones gun out the hand luggage and blow the down open. Would have made a great film as well. (I am not advocating guns on planes before some twat says so) Air Marshals on US flights usually carry guns loaded with rounds designed to kill but not puncture the plane, don't think they'd have been much use.
StanSP Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 i didnt mean accidentally locked him out etc. what i mean is, sticking with the "hes had an accident" thing. maybe the pilot leaves. co pilot takes over. locks the door. suffers a seizure of some kind. hits the button that starts decent and loses consciousness. that would give reason for hearing breathing and loud bangs. if he wanted to kill himself and everyone on the plane, he is going to want to leave a note as to why or something. knowing the black box is recording he could have said something and not just been breathing. or if he was really clever, turned the black box's off! 1 - why would you lock the door - if protocol is to call another member of the crew in, then that should have been done instead? 2 - why would he leave a note? There's no reason he would have to. 3 - I don't think black-boxes can be turned off?
Babylon Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Air Marshals on US flights usually carry guns loaded with rounds designed to kill but not puncture the plane, don't think they'd have been much use. What are they, poisonous blow darts Can planes be hacked by people on the ground? What I know for sure is people can't be.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Can planes be hacked by people on the ground? Have you not seen Die Hard 2?
Babylon Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 maybe the pilot leaves. co pilot takes over. locks the door. There is no need for him to "lock the door" unless he's up to something funky in the first place.
StanSP Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 There is no need for him to "lock the door" unless he's up to something funky in the first place. the only need I see is that it stops someone else i.e. a passenger getting in
Webbo Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 There is no need for him to "lock the door" unless he's up to something funky in the first place. It's procedure after 9/11.
Babylon Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 It's procedure after 9/11. There are three levels of control. Open, normal and locked. Open is obvious, normal would be key pad entry (which is standard) and locked would mean the keypad entry has been disengaged. So I repeat, there was no need for him to "lock" the door (ie. remove ability to to enter via keypad).
lgfualol Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 i didnt mean accidentally locked him out etc. what i mean is, sticking with the "hes had an accident" thing. maybe the pilot leaves. co pilot takes over. locks the door. suffers a seizure of some kind. hits the button that starts decent and loses consciousness. that would give reason for hearing breathing and loud bangs. if he wanted to kill himself and everyone on the plane, he is going to want to leave a note as to why or something. knowing the black box is recording he could have said something and not just been breathing. or if he was really clever, turned the black box's off! From my research. If there was no response from the pilot trying to get in from the keypad, the door would have automatically opened (just in case the copilot was unconscious). It seems like the copilot actually pressed the buttons to deny entry so was very much alive and conscious until the end.
ramboacdc Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 1 - why would you lock the door - if protocol is to call another member of the crew in, then that should have been done instead? 2 - why would he leave a note? There's no reason he would have to. 3 - I don't think black-boxes can be turned off? 1. maybe its not protocol to have another member in that company/zone. maybe its just the US, i aint versed on the rules. 2. not leave a note as in write it. i mean the black box is recording everything he says and does. if he wanted to make a satament he could. if he was a terrorist he would say why he is doing it. if he was a nut job he would say why also. seems weird to be quiet is my point. 3. im going from this on the bbc website from a previous incident. " 19 December 1997: More than 100 people were killed when a Boeing 737 travelling from Indonesia to Singapore crashed. The pilot - suffering from "multiple work-related difficulties" - was suspected of switching off the flight recorders and intentionally putting the plane into a dive."
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