French Air Crash

[stripeyfox]

I think we all need to be careful discussing depression. A number of people on here are probably suffering from it at the moment.

Most of them probably aren't going to murder 149 other people though

[Merging Cultures]

Most of them probably aren't going to murder 149 other people though

 

Of course, but I think we still need to be thoughtful of our words. We do not know what other people are going through.

 

As has been said, depression isn't the cause of this tragedy, the cause is a disturbed man, depression is a contributing factor.

[Guest MattP]

Well if you are going to say that then it could also be argued that anyone who gets drunk has the harm to be a drunk driver and kill people...

 

So should we remove anyone who gets drunk from society aswell?

 

If they deemed to be a danger we do. Various things you could be arrested for before doing anything.

[MPH]

If they deemed to be a danger we do. Various things you could be arrested for before doing anything.

 

 

 

But they have the POTENTIAL to be in that state again, so lets just remove them permanently from society, right?

[Babylon]

Aye. I have a feeling this tragedy is similar to those like the Columbine School Shooting, Virginia Tech, etc. The large majority of them are suicidal, but it can't just be depression. 

I think a lot of problems are just all shoved under the catch all term of "depression".

 

I've seen people at either end of the spectrum, one was someone I knew who said nothing about his problems and was just found one day after hanging himself. He'd arranged all his affairs before hand and clearly knew what he was doing.

 

On the other side my cousin has had numerous problems, she's constantly on medication. But when she has one of her "episodes" for want of a better word, she has absolutely no idea what's going on. She'd just vanish in the middle of the night, whether dressed or not and be completely out of it. Sometimes trying to harm herself in the process. Next day she wouldn't even know what's happened.

 

There are so many people wired up so differently, that it's nigh on impossible to put your finger on why they did x or y.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

It is a very complicated issue, it does affect people differently, and it's a vile disease. Anyone who doesn't treat it as a disease has either had no contact with it, or is an idiot, it's a medical thing, and there are differing levels. I've had severe depression in the past, and I have never wanted to hurt anyone, other than on occasion, myself, the labels people throw around, the net they throw over the term and pigeon hole people in to it, it's just not correct I'm afraid.

[Buce]

I've considered posting this a few times over the years, but always held back: I think perhaps it's the right time.

Around the turn of the millenium, my brother seemingly had it all: Oxford educated, he was a Dr. of Philosophy and had the professor's chair at a major university; he was a published author and was widely regarded among his peers as one of the great minds of his generation; he was wealthy, had a 500 grand house in suburbia and a second home in France; he was married to his soul-mate.

On New Year's Eve, shortly after his 50th birthday, he sat in the bath, drank a bottle whisky, and slit his wrists. There was no explanation, nor any indication that there was anything wrong.

The human mind is a fragile thing: when it breaks, the consequences can be as devastating as they are inexplicable.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

That must of been tough, it does highlight how vile a disease it is, sometimes the people who seem to have it all can be the ones who struggle the most.

[Webbo]

I've considered posting this a few times over the years, but always held back: I think perhaps it's the right time.

Around the turn of the millenium, my brother seemingly had it all: Oxford educated, he was a Dr. of Philosophy and had the professor's chair at a major university; he was a published author and was widely regarded among his peers as one of the great minds of his generation; he was wealthy, had a 500 grand house in suburbia and a second home in France; he was married to his soul-mate.

On New Year's Eve, shortly after his 50th birthday, he sat in the bath, drank a bottle whisky, and slit his wrists. There was no explanation, nor any indication that there was anything wrong.

The human mind is a fragile thing: when it breaks, the consequences can be as devastating as they are inexplicable.

Crikey, so sorry to hear that. That's awful.

[Guest MattP]

I've considered posting this a few times over the years, but always held back: I think perhaps it's the right time.

Around the turn of the millenium, my brother seemingly had it all: Oxford educated, he was a Dr. of Philosophy and had the professor's chair at a major university; he was a published author and was widely regarded among his peers as one of the great minds of his generation; he was wealthy, had a 500 grand house in suburbia and a second home in France; he was married to his soul-mate.

On New Year's Eve, shortly after his 50th birthday, he sat in the bath, drank a bottle whisky, and slit his wrists. There was no explanation, nor any indication that there was anything wrong.

The human mind is a fragile thing: when it breaks, the consequences can be as devastating as they are inexplicable.

 

Very brave to post that and sorry to hear it.

 

I remember Strokes on here posting as well that he had lost a brother to suicide, I can't imagine how it must feel.

[Babylon]

Update - Düsseldorf clinic says #Germanwings co-pilot attended hospital in February and March - most recently on 10 March for a diagnosis

Update - Düsseldorf clinic says #Germanwings co-pilot Andreas #Lubitz was treated there on 10 March but not for depression

 

Whilst not for depression is could have been another mental illness I suppose. It will all come out soon enough no doubt.

[lgfualol]

If Lufthansa found out they could/would(?) have taken away his job (depends on the severity and what it was) I've read a bunch that flying was his dream, and probably knew it would all come to an end once his employers found out he had issues. At least that could be a reason he could have lost it. But, I just speculate.

Sorry to hear about your brother, Buce. That is awful.

[Strokes]

Unfortunately, that would mean removing everyone from society because everyone has the potential for mental illness.

True but if people have a history of depression/mental illness, they should be removed from a job of responsibility Imo.

[stripeyfox]

I've considered posting this a few times over the years, but always held back: I think perhaps it's the right time.

Around the turn of the millenium, my brother seemingly had it all: Oxford educated, he was a Dr. of Philosophy and had the professor's chair at a major university; he was a published author and was widely regarded among his peers as one of the great minds of his generation; he was wealthy, had a 500 grand house in suburbia and a second home in France; he was married to his soul-mate.

On New Year's Eve, shortly after his 50th birthday, he sat in the bath, drank a bottle whisky, and slit his wrists. There was no explanation, nor any indication that there was anything wrong.

The human mind is a fragile thing: when it breaks, the consequences can be as devastating as they are inexplicable.

I'm so sorry to hear that, truly.

[Fox92]

Just been in Asda and caught the headlines of the newspapers. Anybody else see The Sun's headline? "madman in cockpit". Disgusting in my opinion but no surprise given it's the Sun.

[Rincewind]

Fueling the stereotype viewpoint.

[EnderbyFox]

Just been in Asda and caught the headlines of the newspapers. Anybody else see The Sun's headline? "madman in cockpit". Disgusting in my opinion but no surprise given it's the Sun.

 

It's finally made it to the front page then. The day after it happened the front cover of The Sun was just news about bloody One Direction and Jeremy Clarkson. 

[Buce]

True but if people have a history of depression/mental illness, they should be removed from a job of responsibility Imo.

Certainly in this case, I agree.

[Guest MattP]

Just been in Asda and caught the headlines of the newspapers. Anybody else see The Sun's headline? "madman in cockpit". Disgusting in my opinion but no surprise given it's the Sun.

 

Maybe they meant Paxman from last night?

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

This will be reenacted on Aircraft investigation in a few months and it will go something like.

 

"Captain, do you want another coffee?"

 

"why you've asked me that 3 times now, no, I'm OK thanks"

 

"All this talk of coffee has made me need to visit the bathroom, just make sure you stay at 38 thousand feet and miss them mountains down there. You alright with the controls trusted colleague?"

 

"Why of course captain" (camera holds on to the copilots wry smile 2 seconds longer than necessary)

 

**Commercial break**

Sorry, but joking on this subject is misplaced in my view.

[bovril]

Just been in Asda and caught the headlines of the newspapers. Anybody else see The Sun's headline? "madman in cockpit". Disgusting in my opinion but no surprise given it's the Sun.

 

Disgusting. You shop in Asda?

[Strokes]

I've considered posting this a few times over the years, but always held back: I think perhaps it's the right time.

Around the turn of the millenium, my brother seemingly had it all: Oxford educated, he was a Dr. of Philosophy and had the professor's chair at a major university; he was a published author and was widely regarded among his peers as one of the great minds of his generation; he was wealthy, had a 500 grand house in suburbia and a second home in France; he was married to his soul-mate.

On New Year's Eve, shortly after his 50th birthday, he sat in the bath, drank a bottle whisky, and slit his wrists. There was no explanation, nor any indication that there was anything wrong.

The human mind is a fragile thing: when it breaks, the consequences can be as devastating as they are inexplicable.

I'm sorry to hear that buce, suicide is truly awful and devastating for those left behind.

[Guest]

I think we all need to be careful discussing depression. A number of people on here are probably suffering from it at the moment.

Sure but that shouldn't stop others airing their views. If we follow your suggestion we'll talk about nothing because there's sure to be someone on here suffering from it - voting conservative for instance!

[Fox92]

Disgusting. You shop in Asda?

 

Not usually but I thought I'd go today. Felt like I walked around the whole of Manchester to get there.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

So he's depressed? And what?

You clearly do not comprehend what depression can do.

 

I have been on medication for severe depression for a few years now, and it is not something which is rational. Some days I feel fine, and have no problem, but on others, I seem to descend into a black void, from which there is no logical way out. Indeed, logic totally vanishes, and one's actions can be alarming to loved ones. I have, on one occasion attempted suicide, but that was thwarted by police and medics. On other occasions, I have, and still do, self harm, and have many scars on my arms and stomach. Reason does not come into the equation.

 

I could find your post insulting, but I will put it down to your ignorance of the facts about what depression can do to people. You are not alone, for unless one has suffered it, understanding does not come easily.