AndWhat? Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 The MH370 missing flight. March last year, can't believe it. Genuine shock at that, I wouldn't have battered an eye lid if someone said it happened in December!
bovril Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Genuine shock at that, I wouldn't have battered an eye lid if someone said it happened in December! Never batter your eye lids man.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 This brings me back to the Clark Carlisle thread, you can be depressed and still be a complete cvnt. If it's a suicide attempt and he takes a hundred and fifty people with him then he's an arsehole. It's a little bit more of an excuse if he's, purely as an example pulled out of nowhere, a paranoid schizophrenic who thinks everyone on board as a demon from hell or that there's a nuclear bomb on board and he's doing the right thing but then you'd have to question why a paranoid schizophrenic was flying a plane. It's really best if people lay off the speculation as I'm sure details will come out in the investigation and all told it sounds like an absolutely tragic loss of life. Gutting. Regards airline safety, though, I appreciate the catch 22 of cabin access but would it not be possible to have access granted remotely by air traffic control, for example? Great post... I agree with all of that.
MC Prussian Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Apart from the people who lost a family member this week in this crash, imagine what the co-pilot's parents (and the rest of his immediate family) have to go through now... Hope this doesn't end in a modern witch-hunt case.
MPH Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Apart from the people who lost a family member this week in this crash, imagine what the co-pilot's parents (and the rest of his immediate family) have to go through now... Hope this doesn't end in a modern witch-hunt case. Id imagine his parents will have to move house. Poor Buggers. Their house has already been plastered all over the news, aswell as 4 police cars parked outside of it all day. Its not like they do that sort of thing for a speeding ticket. Especially not in Germany. Everyone in the area will soon know where they live and stuff like that would spread like wildfire in a situation like this...
Jimothy Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 The parents have apparently been to the crash site with the families of the others in the crash. When the news broke they were separated from the rest. Was reported on the BBC 6 o'clock news.
stripeyfox Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Terrible. An awful breach of trust. And although the prosecutor seemed to be trying to imply that the passengers didn't know what was happenning, I'm not sure that is true. Those seated near the front would have no doubt seen the pilot trying to regain entry to the flight deck, coupled with the view of the mountains getting nearer and nearer. I think they would have worked out that some bad shit had kicked off, even if they didn't know exactly what was going on.
separator Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Interesting video of Iron Maiden's Bruce Dickinson flying an A320 and showing how its computer will try and prevent any sort of crash. Includes an unfortunate test of trying to stall the plane in a mountain range.
MC Prussian Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Interesting video of Iron Maiden's Bruce Dickinson flying an A320 and showing how its computer will try and prevent any sort of crash. Includes an unfortunate test of trying to stall the plane in a mountain range. Not sure whether that software was implemented from the start, though. Reports say the A320 that crashed this week was an old(er) model from the mid-Nineties. Technical add-ons and improvements for the Airbus fleet were put in place as the years went by. I think the Germanwings plane only had some updates applied, but not all of them.
Jaspa Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Not sure whether that software was implemented from the start, though. Reports say the A320 that crashed this week was an old(er) model from the mid-Nineties. Technical add-ons and improvements for the Airbus fleet were put in place as the years went by. I think the Germanwings plane only had some updates applied, but not all of them. I thought they had to standardise them all across the board, as soon as a fault is found and fixed you have to get it put on. Makes sense for safety (which is imperative) and for business because you can sell gizmos along with it in necessity. I could be wrong
separator Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 I thought they had to standardise them all across the board, as soon as a fault is found and fixed you have to get it put on. Makes sense for safety (which is imperative) and for business because you can sell gizmos along with it in necessity. I could be wrong I thought this to. The A320 was the first commercial airliner to use fly by wire technology so having this software would have been standard from the start. May explain why the aircraft was set to descend (within the planes safe operating environment) rather than just nose diving it into the ground.
stripeyfox Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Interesting video of Iron Maiden's Bruce Dickinson flying an A320 and showing how its computer will try and prevent any sort of crash. Includes an unfortunate test of trying to stall the plane in a mountain range. The computer is only trying to protect the flight envelope in this case though; and it certainly didn't prevent a stall in the case of AF447 when it crashed into the Atlantic en route from Rio to Paris because the crew failed to recognise the aircraft was stalling. In this case, the pilot simply performed what is known in the trade as CFIT - Controlled Flight Into Terrain.
cambridgefox Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 I'm with a friend in Birmingham this weekend who can tell you exactly how the doors/ pilot procedures/ systems work. If you like I can bore her with questions but she might have to be a bit woolly.Doesnt seem long ago when she used to take scared passengers into the cockpit showing them how it all works to calm them,but as Webbo said 9/11 stopped that.Guess where she was that day.pretty scary .
Collymore Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 This will be reenacted on Aircraft investigation in a few months and it will go something like. "Captain, do you want another coffee?" "why you've asked me that 3 times now, no, I'm OK thanks" "All this talk of coffee has made me need to visit the bathroom, just make sure you stay at 38 thousand feet and miss them mountains down there. You alright with the controls trusted colleague?" "Why of course captain" (camera holds on to the copilots wry smile 2 seconds longer than necessary) **Commercial break**
JIMMYWILLIS Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 German police made a significant find in his apartment. What can it be??
Fox92 Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Airlines have changed cockpit rules now. Two crew in cockpit at all times. Just seen tweets confirming changes from Monarch Airlines, Jet2, FlyBe, RyanAir, Virgin Atlantic and EasyJet.
lavrentis Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Airlines have changed cockpit rules now. Two crew in cockpit at all times. Just seen tweets confirming changes from Monarch Airlines, Jet2, FlyBe, RyanAir, Virgin Atlantic and EasyJet. £££££ but it's a good move for safety as well
Parafox Posted 27 March 2015 Posted 27 March 2015 i mean the co pilot who engaged the decent. dont know if its like a couple of clicks and done or just 1 button. brain says its gonna be complex. I think he pressed 'X' instead of 'O' Happens to me a lot on COD.
Parafox Posted 27 March 2015 Posted 27 March 2015 German police made a significant find in his apartment. What can it be?? Another pilot dead in a holdall with an orange stuffed in his mouth? Maybe... ?
Jon the Hat Posted 27 March 2015 Posted 27 March 2015 I feel for the guys parents, they travelled to France with the other families, only to find out he was being held responsible. Nightmare.
ousefox Posted 27 March 2015 Posted 27 March 2015 Is the phone outside the cockpit that the crew use able to contact the ground?
stripeyfox Posted 27 March 2015 Posted 27 March 2015 Is the phone outside the cockpit that the crew use able to contact the ground? Even if they could contact the ground, there's nothing they can do to help. The system is designed to prevent cockpit intrusion. There is a switch in the cockpit that can override the keypad entry. In fact, as I understand it, the crew member enters the code and the pilot on the flight deck can see via a video link who is trying to gain entry. He can then flick the switch to either open the door, or lock it.
StanSP Posted 27 March 2015 Posted 27 March 2015 I feel for the guys parents, they travelled to France with the other families, only to find out he was being held responsible. Nightmare. Apparently had to be separated from the passengers' families once they were told the news.
Mike Oxlong Posted 27 March 2015 Posted 27 March 2015 Wonder if there is the technology to override manual control from the ground, bit like a drone or radio controlled aircraft?
Fox92 Posted 27 March 2015 Posted 27 March 2015 Wonder if there is the technology to override manual control from the ground, bit like a drone or radio controlled aircraft? Surely that'd be dangerous though?
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