Claridge Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Anyone watching this hustings on Sky? I wouldn't want any of these four in charge of a tuck shop let alone a country, they are all bonkers from "Really a Tory" Liz to "Politics of Dope" Jeremy. At least the tories will have 10 years to develop policies that will benefit hard working people. The left are finisheed as a political force and now is the time to reduce the power of public sector unions and end the benefit culture that has benefitted no one really. Of course there will be a lot of whinging from lefties, but they are in the minority as the last election showed. There are massive advantages for people living in Britain but many don't take any personal responsibility for their life situation.
Guest Bilo Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Yvette absolutely savaged Corbyn on economics, almost embarrassing to watch.
johnny the fox Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Anyone watching this hustings on Sky? I wouldn't want any of these four in charge of a tuck shop let alone a country, they are all bonkers from "Really a Tory" Liz to "Politics of Dope" Jeremy. 4 bald men fighting over a comb...
Sir Fynwy Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Yvette absolutely savaged Corbyn on economics, almost embarrassing to watch. "It's not over yet" says Yvette in the debate that sees Corbyn win 84% of the viewing vote. Rather like Dorothy,"There's no place like home"
Guest Bilo Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 "It's not over yet" says Yvette in the debate that sees Corbyn win 84% of the viewing vote. Rather like Dorothy,"There's no place like home" Credit to them, it's been a well organised social media campaign and his supporters are nothing if not passionate. I don't see how anybody watching that round on economics could come up with any other conclusion than a comprehensive Cooper win, goodness only knows what'd happen to Corbyn over the dispatch box. It's such a shame there's a world of difference between gaining the most retweets and winning elections for them, because the reality of Corbyn in charge won't seem quite as exciting as the reality.
The Doctor Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 At least the tories will have 10 years to develop policies that will benefit hard working people. The left are finisheed as a political force and now is the time to reduce the power of public sector unions and end the benefit culture that has benefitted no one really. Of course there will be a lot of whinging from lefties, but they are in the minority as the last election showed. There are massive advantages for people living in Britain but many don't take any personal responsibility for their life situation. If they haven't started now I doubt they ever will.
Jon the Hat Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Read something earlier which suggested lots or Corbyn lovers haven't in fact bothered to vote. Downside of it looking like a shoo in.
Guest Bilo Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Read something earlier which suggested lots or Corbyn lovers haven't in fact bothered to vote. Downside of it looking like a shoo in. Not sure how true that is, a lot of them have paid £3 just to vote for him. We can but hope.
Guest Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Corbyn laid them all to waste tonight it has to be said.
Buce Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Credit to them, it's been a well organised social media campaign and his supporters are nothing if not passionate. I don't see how anybody watching that round on economics could come up with any other conclusion than a comprehensive Cooper win, goodness only knows what'd happen to Corbyn over the dispatch box. It's such a shame there's a world of difference between gaining the most retweets and winning elections for them, because the reality of Corbyn in charge won't seem quite as exciting as the reality. You sound more like a politician, every day, mate.
Sir Fynwy Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Not sure how true that is, a lot of them have paid £3 just to vote for him. We can but hope. Most full Labour members I know have voted Corbyn, I don't know any £3 voters so can't judge their status.
Jon the Hat Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 If they haven't started now I doubt they ever will. Really? Are you paying attention at all? Millions taken out of paying income tax? Millions more jobs created? You could argue the needy are being hurt, but there really is no argument that the Government have not put in place policies to help those in work or wanting to work.
Sir Fynwy Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Really? Are you paying attention at all? Millions who are on poverty wages taken out of paying income tax? Millions of poverty wage or zero hour jobs created? You could argue the needy are being hurt, but there really is no argument that the Government have not put in place policies to help those in work or wanting to work. Fixed! Edit: You'll start banging on about the 'living' wage which isn't next.
The Railway Man Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 The figures over the last year showed most of the jobs being created were full time ones, zero hour contracts are a tiny % of the workforce and some people like them my brother included.You are still repeating arguments from 2012-2013 which were bending the truth then.
The Doctor Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Really? Are you paying attention at all? Millions taken out of paying income tax? Millions more jobs created? You could argue the needy are being hurt, but there really is no argument that the Government have not put in place policies to help those in work or wanting to work. I think fywnny has covered that - the policies don't help the low earning hard workers, they help businesses at the expense of low earners with the crap like zero hours contracts and workfare (let's be clear, if there's a job to be done it should be hired for, not get someone in for free for a few weeks then change over)
Rincewind Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Yes but people love not knowing when their next days work is or working for free doing the same job they were doing before being made unemployed. They love working part-time or on workfare with none of the benefis of the regular workforce. No holiday pay or sickness benefit. It must be true as we are told by the ones employing this kind of worker and those not doing it.
Webbo Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Yes but people love not knowing when their next days work is or working for free doing the same job they were doing before being made unemployed. They love working part-time or on workfare with none of the benefis of the regular workforce. No holiday pay or sickness benefit. It must be true as we are told by the ones employing this kind of worker and those not doing it. Pretty sure you're not doing it either.
Strokes Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Yes but people love not knowing when their next days work is or working for free doing the same job they were doing before being made unemployed. They love working part-time or on workfare with none of the benefis of the regular workforce. No holiday pay or sickness benefit. It must be true as we are told by the ones employing this kind of worker and those not doing it.How many people do you know on workfare? Oh and they aren't paid nothing, do they still collect benefits?
leicsmac Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Pretty sure you're not doing it either. Come on Webbs, try to do better than a simple ad hominem. How many people do you know on workfare? Oh and they aren't paid nothing, do they still collect benefits? We have minimum wage laws for a reason, you know. You want them to work, give them a contract with minimum wage and at least some hint of job security.
purpleronnie Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 than a simple ad hominem. Off to google.
Strokes Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Come on Webbs, try to do better than a simple ad hominem. We have minimum wage laws for a reason, you know. You want them to work, give them a contract with minimum wage and at least some hint of job security. I see it as volunteering for work experience.
Webbo Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Come on Webbs, try to do better than a simple ad hominem. Ken's implying we don't not we're talking about because we don't do a zero hours contract, just pointing out he doesn't either. Off to google.
The Railway Man Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Yes but people love not knowing when their next days work is or working for free doing the same job they were doing before being made unemployed. They love working part-time or on workfare with none of the benefis of the regular workforce. No holiday pay or sickness benefit. It must be true as we are told by the ones employing this kind of worker and those not doing it. How much experience do you have of the workforce over the last few years? Virtually every post I see you make is in daytime "working" hours.
leicsmac Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 I see it as volunteering for work experience. Fair enough. I see it as a violation of a pretty fundamental law and a way for companies to score cheap labour with the taxpayer picking up a lot of the tab.
leicsmac Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Ken's implying we don't not we're talking about because we don't do a zero hours contract, just pointing out he doesn't either. Whether Ken does it or not is irrelevant: his point re zero hours contracts still stands. That's what I'm saying.
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